CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #35 *ARREST*

[susiQ]

Playing devil's advocate here: if I were a police officer (and a human being) and I was in charge of taking this guy to court, I might insist on the vest, as well as shackles and handcuffs (which are probably overkill, but they are procedure).

Why? Send a message to PF how despised he is for what he's done - so despised that someone might even want to engage in a little 'frontier justice'.

Never considered that angle. Thanks! My thoughts were either someone IS threatening his life OR he's telling LE his life in danger by the person who did it being the liar he is.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
He will receive that protection from here on out. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee

 

[riolove77]

From what I understand, plea deals are more often than not. Ok, I googled it. Not a legal eagle. Kinda obvious with my casual speak.

Yes. In fact, the majority of criminal cases never reach the trial stage. Pleas are VERY common.

I keep seeing (NOT on this board, but elsewhere) comments to the effect of, "Some cases take years to get the evidence, they should just take their time and put him away without her help, and then they can put her away too without a deal." People seem to think that LE and the DA can just keep PF in jail for years while they "take their time looking for evidence". PF has an 8th Amendment right to a speedy trial, and if the DA wanted to keep looking for evidence that he may never find, he'd have to let PF go right now. They can't just be like, "Hey bro, sit tight for a while alright? We're gonna go out and keep looking for ways to give you LWOP or capital punishment."

If he's not waived time, and something tells me he hasn't, then they have to try him or they have to let him go. And if trying him is stronger with KK as their final nail in his coffin, then I commend them for the way this is going.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Couch says this is out of the ordinary for Teller County, but they’re trained for it. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee

 

[NoeticSoul]

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
He will receive that protection from here on out. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee

Sad, Kelsey didn't have that kind of 'protection' smh.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Getting set up for this presser. We won’t stream live, but I’ll tweet updates. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee

 

[gliving]

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV 1m1 minute ago
.@TCSOPIO says Frazee was wearing a ballistic vest that protects against most gunshots and stab attacks. He says they decided to take the extra precautions because of the case’s attention. #PatrickFrazee #KelseyBerreth @KOAA

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Frazee is protected and separated from other inmates at the Teller County Jail, Couch says. They take extra security measures for high-profile cases. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
That’s it for now. We’ll have much more on our @KOAA platforms. #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee

 

[riolove77]

I'm glad he has a vest. I don't want him to get out of this by being shot.

 

[NoeticSoul]

I'm glad he has a vest. I don't want him to get out of this by being shot.

True that'd be too easy!

 

[Noharg]

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Getting set up for this presser. We won’t stream live, but I’ll tweet updates. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee

Any info on what went on inside courtroom? TIA

 

[Tippy Lynn]

@SamKraemerTV
Actually, real quick: There haven’t been any verified threats against Frazee. They’re just taking the extra precautions. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee

 

[Aydrianna523]

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Couch says this is out of the ordinary for Teller County, but they’re trained for it. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee

Maybe he's not as popular with COLORADIANS as some people originally thought. Some seemed to think Colorado residents would side with one of their own over justice for KB.
MOO is that they may be partial to their own, but NOT when it comes to murder. They'll draw the line there.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Any info on what went on inside courtroom? TIA

Nothing that I've seen so far.

 

[Jupiter05]

Looks like the next custody court date is in April:

Docket for: Teller County - Teller County Courthouse
Showing 1 - 2 of 2 records


Date Len Name Hearing Type Case # Location Division
2/19/19
9:00 AM 1D FRAZEE, PATRICK Preliminary Hearing D602018CR330 Teller County DIV 11 - TELLER DISTRICT COURT
4/4/19
8:30 AM 1H FRAZEE, PATRICK Disposition Hearing D602018JV26 Teller County DIV 11 - TELLER DISTRICT COURT

 

[Auntie Cipation]

You mean law "enforcement"??? The robbery charge is separate from the homicide charge. Two separate charges against PF. Your speculation carries no more or less weight than any speculation here. There is absolutely no indication the robbery occurred in KB's home, yet PF is charged with it. How on earth is LE going to prove the robbery took place at KB's home? afaik, there were no video security cameras which would capture a robbery.

JMO

There is no robbery charge. The second charge is felony murder (during the commission of a robbery or attempted robbery). Taking her phone or purse would not qualify, if they were simply removed after her death. They only qualify if she was aware they were being taken. However, they could have felony murder charge if they threatened to take something that did not end up being taken (that would be attempted robbery). IMO IANAL

I suspect that charge is there to give the prosecutors flexibility depending on what kind of defense is claimed.

Also -- do we know whether, when LE was searching at her townhome, they searched either of her vehicles? What if she was approached while in her vehicle, maybe just as she arrived home from shopping, with an attempt to make it look like a carjacking or a holdup, but somehow (based on LE comments) not actually killed until inside? The classic "your money or your life" type of scenario... Lots of missing pieces, but of course it will make sense once all the details are known.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

susiQ, you raise some good questions about Thanksgiving Day. We saw Baby K and KB at Safeway that morning and a neighbor saw PF's truck right after lunch.

Who actually said that was the arrangement? Who said that PF and KB had arranged for PF to take Baby K?

You're right, it doesn't make sense. IIRC, she mentioned something to her mother about possibly having lunch with PF, but why would she hand off Baby K on a holiday weekend? I don't recall anything about her telling her mother that was the plan.

I'm really curious now to know if SF was home over Thanksgiving, because I can't see PF taking Baby K if he didn't have SF at home to help out.

Is PF our only source for the story that he had arranged to pick up Baby K on Thanksgiving Day? No Thanksgiving with KB, just pick up the baby and leave?

If PF is our only source, then we really don't know what was planned that day. I think it's more likely that he had told her he would drop by for lunch, but not that he was taking Baby K.

Could PF have robbed KB of her baby perhaps, which KB didn't want to let go out of her arms? Then outside the home it legally wouldn't be abduction/kidnapping, because on each day before he was allowed to take K with him for caring/sitting?
Thinking ...

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Court Dates:

December 21st - Friday

• Arrested- 1st Degree murder and Solicitation of Murder
• PF - Hearing on Advisement - 3:30pm

December 27th - Thursday

• Temporary Custody Hearing - 1pm

December 31st - Monday

• PF - First Appearance - 9am

January 3rd - Thursday

• Temporary Custody Hearing Continued - 8:30am

January 4th - Friday

• PF - Motions Hearing - 1:30pm
• KB’s parents file civil suit against PF

January 28th - Monday

• PF - motion filed to dismiss wrongful death lawsuit

January 29th- Tuesday (VACATED)

• PF - Preliminary Hearing - 9am

February 4th - Monday

• Nurse KK - Teller County charged KK with 1 Felony Count Tampering with Physical Evidence

February 7th - Thursday

• Pre-Trial Conference (Custody) - 8:30am

February 8th - Friday

• Nurse KK Advisement Hearing 8:30am - Teller County
• 1 Felony Count Tampering with Physical Evidence

February 19th- Tuesday

• PF - Preliminary Hearing - 9am

March 11th- Monday

• PF Wrongful Death - Scheduling and Planning Conference - 1:30 pm

April 4th - Thursday

• Disposition Hearing (Custody) - 8:30am

Colorado Judicial Branch

Colorado Judicial Branch - Court Docket Search

Archonix XJail Public

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Upcoming Court Dates:

February 8th - Friday

Nurse KK Advisement Hearing 8:30am - Teller County​

February 19th- Tuesday

PF - Preliminary Hearing - 9am​

March 11th- Monday

PF Wrongful Death - Scheduling and Planning Conference - 1:30 pm​

April 4th - Thursday

Disposition Hearing (Custody) - 8:30am​