The hearing lasted from 9:00 to around 4:45, with probably 2 hours of lunch/breaks.How long was the preliminary hearing yesterday? I was gone most of the day and had to do a lot of reading to get to this point.
The hearing lasted from 9:00 to around 4:45, with probably 2 hours of lunch/breaks.How long was the preliminary hearing yesterday? I was gone most of the day and had to do a lot of reading to get to this point.
I believe one of the most important pieces of evidence in a murder without a body is a confession by the murderer to another person. Without that they may not be able to convict him. ImoIt’s such a tough situation, because without her they most likely wouldn’t have any information and it’d be a tough case to try in court. Although they MIGHT have been able to do it because of the blood evidence they found in Kelsey’s bathroom during their 2nd search, what do you think?
Or he’s a wuss with a tummy cramp and cried ULCERAn ulcer that was diagnosed one day before her muder no less! Wasn't it 11/21/18?
Ever had a gastric ulcer?
I had 2 duodenal ulcers at the same time.
#1 - too sick and too much pain to even consider killing someone in that manner.
#2- 2 days in there isn't any way I'd even lie about eating any Thanksgiving dinner.
ESPECIALLY @ Cracker Barrell.
An appropriate meal replacement, would be a bottle of ice cold maalox mylanta and ice chips.
That rot gut gnawing pain is pretty bad.
My bet is he was feigning that illness for sympathy from the woman he knew he planned to kill the next day.
He was "sick" he played on her ability to feel sympathy and the need to nurture him.
Without a key, he knew she'd open the door and allow him in.
Beyond that I'll refrain for commenting further!
Moo
Maybe out patient treatment?Probably spoke to a counselor?
This guy obviously thought he was God's Gift to Women.Funny how he seemed never to have driven out to see her, as they were so "intimate" during those months.
It was perfectly fine with him to let her do the 96 or so hours of driving and have her spend her time and money.
Did he ever offer to pay her? Wouldn't he have had to give her something in order for it to be solicitation? Hmmm..
Yes
#1 - poison September 23
#2 - metal Rod October 15th
#3- baseball bat October 21
All the 23rds I think have created a little bit of confusion because November 23rd was stated incorrectly on one of those.
ETA corrected the dates after listening to the press conference video
If they have that type of evidence we won't know until trial - IMO. At the hearing, it was what KK said in the LE interviews.Thanks. Was there evidence of this in email, texts, recordings, or was it verbal only from KK?
Same, Vaporlass, sameThank you! I keep trying to remind myself not to get caught up in the rage ... but when I hear and read about all the things she was doing for PF to help him and the innocence that blocked her from seeing the evil in KK when she began stalking her for the kill.... I want to inject PF and KK personally.
HLN is covering all this in full right now on TV.
Affidavit reveals how investigators used cell phone evidence to arrest Patrick Frazee
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/Application and Affidavit for Arrest Warrant.pdf
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New documents released surrounding Patrick Frazee and Kelsey Berreth
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Patrick Frazee knocked Kelsey Berreth's teeth out during murder as their toddler sat in her playpen | Daily Mail Online
While I agree it seems he has attributes that seem to indicate he could have been raised without any moral compass or parental guidance, it's still possible his personality (some type of disorder or genetically influenced psychopathic or sociopathic tendency) is a precluding factor here. Hubby is a psychologist and he sees parents struggling with even young children dealing with lack of empathy, ethics and rights of others, doing whatever they can to provide help (not always successfully). Not defending his mother, but keep in mind that maybe he was the way he was regardless of upbringing. JMOThis guy obviously thought he was God's Gift to Women.
Some females find extreme self confidence to be very sexy.
MaF probably never crossed him or made him toe the line.
He ruled the roost on that 35 acres. Over Ma, the dogs, the cows.
UGH. And over every female he hooked up with.
But he also grew up with no moral compass. Surely no religion
or he would have adhered to the 10 Commandments- Thy Shallt
Not Kill. MaF, you did have p1ss poor job of raising this boy.
Don't know where his father was all those years but obviously
wasn't much help.
The whole F family will have the umbrella over them for what this monster did. moo