CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #41 *ARREST*

[Seattle1]

Didn't Kelseys family stay there after it was cleaned, though?

Yes they did. We have to remind ourselves that murder and clean up all went down before KB was ever reported missing. There was no suspicion of PF to be in and out of her condo, or other guests like KK for that matter.

 

[Reachingfornettles]

With all the information KK disclosed with very elaborate details, she never disclosed a motive that I read or heard. She said he told her that KB was abusing drugs/alcohol and abusing the baby which was never corroborated. What is his motive? LE says could be custody because of the paperwork from August that wasn't filed found in his house but it seemed like KB let him pick up the baby and take her out at least. According to him, they shared the time based on their work schedules and perhaps holiday schedules to share time with the baby with their families, etc.

But she was still in charge because she was the mom and likely did primary care because there was no formal parenting time agreement? He had a family law attorney and he appeared to have that relationship at least in the beginning of this missing person now murder case. She seems to know every detail, what about motive?

No calls to social services regarding KB's parenting or lack of, no reports from her workplace regarding issues with substance abuse. No friends commenting on her parenting. It's like he was living a double life. One with her taking care of the baby and doing a great job at it while he bad mouthed her to his family, mistress, and anyone who would listen about how she was a rotten mother.

He was Gaslighting her to make her depressed the whole time. She she was too busy to complain, and didn't want her parents to worry that far away. IMOO

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

And a bullet is missing, right? Meghan keep 8 rounds in the magazine and none in the chamber. KK returns with 6 rounds in the magazine and one in the chamber.

What does this mean???

Someone racked the slide, fired a bullet, and another bullet was automatically chambered......or....... Meghan is not telling the truth.

 

[WhimsicalWillow]

He pretended to be "Mr. Thoughtful" bringing KB a romantic little surprise gift of scented candles. And just such a darn cute and playful cowboy that he wanted to play a fun, little guessing game with his candle gift. Just imagining the level of evil, depravity and deceit is nauseating. Poor, naive KB. MOO.

I agree with everything except that KB was naive. No. I believe KB knew him for exactly what he was and he was humiliated by it. To KB, he was not "Cowboy Rock-star". He attempted to avenge his ego by killing KB in an evil way. I feel KB only had Thanksgiving with him to make it nice for her daughter and tried to be polite.

He needed all the women he'd sleep with to believe he was a "Cowboy Rock-star". KK was naive. He tricked KK into believing he loved her. He used KK.

 

[Gardener1850]

Help me out, here, because something doesn't add up. Looking at this recap of the timeline, from the arrest affidavit:

Nov. 22, 2018
1 – 4 a.m.: Investigators found that there were at least seven contacts made between Frazee and Berreth’s cell phones between these hours, including a four-minute phone call that happened around 1:42 a.m.

9 – 10 a.m.: Cell phone records show Berreth text messaged Frazee at 9:37 a.m. and that the two spoke on the phone for about 3 ½ minutes around 9:40 a.m.

12:27 p.m.: Berreth and her daughter are captured on a surveillance camera at the Safeway in Woodland Park leaving the store. Receipts from the store and her home corroborated she was there at that time.

12:31 and 12:33 p.m.: Frazee calls Berreth's cell phone in a 35-second call, and there is an incoming call from Berreth to Frazee listed as 8 seconds in length in the affidavit. The affidavit says that both of their cell phones connected to the same cell tower in Woodland Park

12:41 p.m.: A text message was exchanged between Berreth and Frazee.

12:54 – 1:17 p.m.: Frazee was captured on surveillance video at the Walmart in Woodland Park carrying a baby carrier with a blanket similar to the one seen in the Safeway footage. Investigators wrote in the affidavit that they believe their 1-year-old daughter was in the carrier at the time.

Frazee said he met with Berreth in an alleyway outside her home in Woodland Park to exchange the child just beforehand, which investigators said they believe did occur. This is the last time that Frazee reportedly saw Berreth alive, and he told investigators that while they exchanged their daughter, he returned some of her belongings, including a handgun, keys and other items – which have so far not been recovered.

1:24 p.m.: A person matching Frazee’s description is captured entering the front door of Berreth’s apartment on a neighbor’s surveillance camera – which investigators said contradicted what Frazee had told them about a timeline on that day.

Afternoon: Investigators believe this is when Frazee allegedly killed Berreth inside her apartment, then took her cell phone when he left. Investigators allege that he blindfolded Berreth and asked her to smell a scented candle, then beat her to death with a baseball bat. They say that Kenney was aware because Frazee told her about it.

Cell tower records show that Frazee’s phone was connected to the tower serving Berreth’s apartment from approximately 1 p.m. to 4:30 p.m. that day.

3:36 p.m.: That same neighbor’s surveillance camera again captures images of a person that matches Frazee’s description at Berreth’s home.

Kelsey Berreth case timeline: Everything we know so far

12:31-12.33 - Looks like he called Kelsey while she was at Safeway and she called him back. They're both pinging in Woodland Park so he's at or near her place.

12:41 - She texts him. Is that when she's leaving Safeway to say she's on her way home?

12:54-1:17 - He's confirmed at Walmart with baby carrier and LE assumes it contains baby K. If that assumption is correct, baby K is no longer in the house with Kelsey.

1:24 - He's back at Kelsey's

3:36 - Neighbor's cam catches him at Kelsey's (leaving???)

If he killed Kelsey between 1:24 and 3:36, he had already taken baby K out of the house. What did he do - bring her back in and put her in the playpen and then killed her mommy?

Your question:

"If he killed Kelsey between 1:24 and 3:36, he had already taken baby K out of the house. What did he do - bring her back in and put her in the playpen and then killed her mommy? "

Yes, I think so. He would not have had time to take Baby K back to the ranch in Florissant with the timeline of when he was seen on camera. Plus, I believe that KB expected him to return with the baby. He described picking her up as "a custody exchange" to the police but we know that is a complete lie- they had no custody arrangement. KB was Baby K's primary caregiver and KB had the entire weekend off work. She would have kept K with her IMO. Plus KB told her mom she was planning to go to dinner with PF and Baby K. If PF returned without the baby, then KB would have been suspicious right away and upset. I think he told KB he would take the baby to the store so she could get ready for their date-- as her mom mentioned KB had not done her hair yet when she went to Safeway. KB would have let her guard down (if she felt guarded at all around him) and would believe he was being sweet if he did that. It's one more sick way he could have played her and made her feel comfortable. Right up there with the sweater and candles.

MOO.

 

[MsBetsy]

Good question. Seems far more likely that they were up half the night arguing. But here we are with the ulcer and cattle story. Did Kelsey tell her mother this? Or did it come from KK?

I think she told her mother that she got home at 4:00 am, and that she was helping out with the cattle. Jmo

 

[Dave F.]

PF must have went to walmart to buy the candles for her to never smell.

Unless the courtroom tweeters missed it, I don't think Investigator Slater never described what PF bought at Walmart. The only mention of the candles was in his description of what KKL had told them about the murder itself, which of course was PF's version.
IMO

 

[heartgoesout]

Anyone know off hand what time KK said she left the burning, started her travel and arrived home?

 

[gliving]

"Kenney says the flame was so high that Sheila Frazee came onto the front porch to look. Kenney also grabbed the trash bags & Kelsey’s purse to burn in the fire."


"She threw the keys (presumably to Berreth’s townhome) into a gorge in Gooding, Idaho. Kenney told investigators about her route back to Twin Falls. It matches the phone records. She then burned Kelsey’s phone & a burner phone in her yard."

Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing

What's with these folk and burning stuff in their front yard?

I guess the baby was with Sheila while KK and PF burned her mother in a feed trough. Think about that.

 

[Artis]

Whatever the correct story, surely, these two realized, that if PF was not arrested, either one would 'remove' the other, so the eliminator was safe: that they could not be incriminated.
There would be another missing person, perhaps never found, as thrown off a cliff etc.

See, I keep thinking about cliffs. Kelsey was doing stuff with him, driving around, like checking on cattle. If he's planning this murder so methodically, wouldn't you think he'd take her for a ride and do something like that rather than create a murder scene so easily exposed with forensic techniques? Kelsey trusted him. He could have gotten her away from home, very easily. KK could not have. She stalked Kelsey at home.

I'm assuming that the call from PF to KK, on Thanksgiving, shows KK in Idaho, right? I didn't read that. Only that he called her number. She could have been anywhere. Where are the records showing where KK's phone was pinging on the 21st and 22nd? Just because her family says she was in Idaho doesn't mean squat. Where the proof on where she was? And, btw, what about that burner phone? When and where was that used? Was she carrying her own phone and the burner phone?

 

[MemPat]

Yes. He was clearly contacting Kelsey to arrange the pickup of the baby.

He picked her up, and took her to Walmart.

The part that he didn’t tell police, is that he returned to the house with the baby, right after leaving Walmart.

We obviously don’t know if Kelsey was expecting him to return or not, but the surveillance footage from a neighbor’s house, showed that he did.

He must have put the baby in the playpen, then gone about the killing.

I think that 3:36 surveillance image, is him leaving.

I want to see that Walmart receipt.

 

[MassGuy]

I want to see that Walmart receipt.

We all do!

Hell, I want to see the entire security tape.

 

[ab01]

I don't know but KK indicated he got rid of evidence either at a dump or in the river.
I'm sure he wouldn't have disposed of evidence on his property. Imo

Yah idk but he did burn it on his own property, right outside the front door apparently. According to the drone footage of the dig site. Moo

 

[1&2&3]

After reading the Affidavit, I would love to know why PF was so angry at KB?

His first strike at her, with her blindfolded, should have been strong and made her dizzy if not unconscious. IMO, he was a sissy who could not even swing a bat hard enough to do what he wanted!

KB was a fighter! She didn’t go down easy. It sounds like she made PF work to achieve his goal of murder.

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

I keep looking at KKs mugshot and thinking about her story. Something seems off to me with all of this and I can’t pinpoint what. Looking at her defiant and angry face again tonight, I started thinking about the possibility she made large chunks up with bits of truth so enough could be verified that the story wouldn’t be questioned. But why? What am I missing?

 

[Oregon]

I do not think WPPD is incompetent. I think they made the best of a horrific set of players. In order to search, other than an obvious walk through, looking for signs of an obvious struggle, robbery, or pools of blood, they had to have a PROBABLE CAUSE WARRANT.

After the walk through there were no obvious signs. The Barreth’s have no authority to have the police search their daughter’s home. The PROBABLE CAUSE didn’t exist until KK started talking. Had KB’s body, a weapon, anything tied to KB’s home been found they could have gotten the warrant. Had it been searched without a warrant all evidence would have been thrown out of court.

We should be thankful LEO followed the proper procedures. We should be thankful the Barreth’s searched for the tiniest of clues to find KB. It is harder to be thankful to KK...but I hold out hope that the judge will use his discretion to enhance her sentence.

I think looking at the early press conferences, you not only see CB’s pain, but also the heartbreak of LE. Do not discount how much they care. Sometimes in order to stop the suffering you have to do things you do not want to do. I hope the B family was involved in some of these heartbreaking decisions.

 

[Reachingfornettles]

Someone racked the slide, fired a bullet, and another bullet was automatically chambered......or....... Meghan is not telling the truth.

I'm sure she covered her arse real well with the help of the R's coming forward.... I still feel KB was shot also. Just a hunch. They recovered KBs gun so it wasn't hers. There is more I'm sure PF will pull a rabbit to try to thro her lies

Anyone know off hand what time KK said she left the burning, started her travel and arrived home?

i guess we could figure the route from PFs home thru salt lake and it was 4:13 am in a remote area of Utah/ Idaho border. Line 40

 

[gypsysoul]

As far as I’m aware, PF is the only named defendant in this case so far... is KKL a defendant too?

I'm not sure. Sam Kraemer said it wouldn't be PF because he lived there. He thought they were referring to KK. But, if they established KK was in Idaho, who is the defendant they are referring to? His tweet here: Sam Kraemer on Twitter

 

[Aydrianna523]

After reading the Affidavit, I would love to know why PF was so angry at KB?

His first strike at her, with her blindfolded, should have been strong and made her dizzy if not unconscious. IMO, he was a sissy who could not even swing a bat hard enough to do what he wanted!

KB was a fighter! She didn’t go down easy. It sounds like she made PF work to achieve his goal of murder.

I, on the other hand, think she died instantly and pf was in a kill mode and kept going. Just a guess.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

What do you make of this? The she who is being discussed is Patrick's mom. Dan May is the district attorney.
Sam Kraemer on Twitter