CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #5

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BRRI said:
Are any verified attorneys here criminal defense attorneys? I’m curious, that if someone came to you because their significant other / your child’s parent went missing (as a precaution), what would be the typical overall strategy of advising? Would you generally tell your client to not talk to police, even if innocent? Or would you only do that if you were setting up for a murder defense or the like? I know denying polygraphs is usually normal, but what else?
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Good questions and we do have lawyers here who will likely answer soon!
 
dedpoet777 said:
Why wouldn’t she remove them?

Again, her mother waited to report her missing. Why? Like I said, sounds like this has happened before.
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More importantly, why didn't the man she's engaged to, the one she shares a child with (since he keeps proclaiming so much concern for the welfare of his child), the person who lives in the same state, county and just a few miles away from her, who shares her life with her on a daily basis, not report her missing? If it's odd that her mother wouldn't have reported her after a few days of no contact, how much more odd that her fiance wouldn't have. Even more odd that he wouldn't be plastering the whole darn county with missing flyers, sitting down with police to answer all their questions, knocking on doors and calling friends to see if anyone's seen her or at the very, gosh darn least, putting her missing pic on his gosh forsaken fb page.
 
cluciano63 said:
I do take into consideration that he has been seen as prime suspect by the public for quite a while...as far as his getting a lawyer etc...
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Yeah, that whole not reporting her missing thing, coupled with zero effort to help publicize her disappearance, isn’t exactly a good look.
 
I haven't read all posts so excuse me if this has already been discussed, but I just saw posts about Pinterest. I never make comments on my pins, but many have comments, with my first initial, that I did not make. Someone at some point made a comment, but not me. I guess technically you're "not supposed" to leave someone else's comments on when you pin something, but I don't pay any attention to that. I've discussed this with my friends, they do the same as me. I don't pay any attention to any comments. Also, you can't tell when someone pinned something. The comments on KB's pins are meaningless to us. And I just scrolled through her Quote pins, and saw nothing about sober or recovery. Are some saying she has Instagram? I couldn't find it. Some are making up stories about her. Shame.
 
Cardinal47 said:
I would guess just like the mother! Nobody reported her missing because neither were in charge of her business! I'm not so sure he's guilty of anything and I can understand him hiring an attorney!
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I disagree because there is a child in the dynamic and it is in her best interest to have a relationship with her mother. The person who was "exchanging" the child with her mother has a duty to inform others when the other disappears for several days without contact. JMO
 
Ok, I'm confused. Didn't her cell phone ping in IDAHO near her mother's area? Secondly, Mr. Boyfriend has been co-operative in the early investigation, but then so was Chris Watts. Ya gotta set your story somehow, especially if you have your baby...MOO, MOO, MOO.
 
OldLadyBlues said:
Ok, I'm confused. Didn't her cell phone ping in IDAHO near her mother's area? Secondly, Mr. Boyfriend has been co-operative in the early investigation, but then so was Chris Watts. Ya gotta set your story somehow, especially if you have your baby...MOO, MOO, MOO.
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It pinged in Idaho but nowhere near where her mother lives. Hundreds of miles away in fact.

CW was cooperative but was lying.

This guy is cooperating only to a point.

He’s answered some questions apparently, but hasn’t sat down for a full interview.
 
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OldLadyBlues said:
Ok, I'm confused. Didn't her cell phone ping in IDAHO near her mother's area? Secondly, Mr. Boyfriend has been co-operative in the early investigation, but then so was Chris Watts. Ya gotta set your story somehow, especially if you have your baby...MOO, MOO, MOO.
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I don't think he's been cooperative. I think his lawyer is saying he has been cooperative lol.
 
ReadySet said:
I haven't read all posts so excuse me if this has already been discussed, but I just saw posts about Pinterest. I never make comments on my pins, but many have comments, with my first initial, that I did not make. Someone at some point made a comment, but not me. I guess technically you're "not supposed" to leave someone else's comments on when you pin something, but I don't pay any attention to that. I've discussed this with my friends, they do the same as me. I don't pay any attention to any comments. Also, you can't tell when someone pinned something. The comments on KB's pins are meaningless to us. And I just scrolled through her Quote pins, and saw nothing about sober or recovery. Are some saying she has Instagram? I couldn't find it. Some are making up stories about her. Shame.
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No, I think one of his supporters saw her pins on Pinterest and took a screen shot them and put in the # sober an recovery because they were the comments on the quotes that she obviously repinned, in a disingenuous attempt to show that she had these problems.
 
It will be interesting to see what they can glean from PF's phone. If it didn't make the trip to Idaho was it just stationary at his house or was in in the town of Woodland Park or Colorado Springs during roughly the same time the ping from Kelsey's phone came from Idaho. Then again he could have hidden it in a vehicle of someone he knows that would be going in town or even say hide it in a farm truck and have one of his ranch helpers, if he had one, go into town to run errands. Or he could of even had a close friend make the Utah run. There are a number of possibilities.

I'm not sure they were in love like a number of people have suggested. The relationship maybe was to the point of barely speaking. Maybe Kelsey mentioning a dinner together was just trying to hide the fact the the relationship was finished. I have no idea. But the major red flag for me that I cannot seem to be able to dismiss, like so many others, is the fact he waited so long and never reported her missing. I don't care even if you could hardly stand her anymore I can't see where he wouldn't report her missing. Or at least to attempt to check up on her from her family or friends. You know he could have contacted her family or friends and say something like "I know we have been going through a very rough time together but I just want to make certain she is okay." I can't say I hate anyone but I could never not report something if I thought a person was missing or possibly in danger regardless how much I liked them. The only excuse I can come up with, and I have thought about it quite a bit would be if she let him know of her plan and she pleaded with him to keep it a secret and he did just that because he cared for her. But just having the child alone with him for that long I just have to wonder why he didn't try to reach out to Kelsey to see when she was going to get her daughter. I'm still hoping she left on her own and they possibly had some agreement as that is the only way I see this ending in a positive note. But I have to say the probability this was coordinated between the two of them is probably less that 5% after processing everything we know to be facts. Just MOO I just hope she is found and is safe. ETA
 
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Cardinal47 said:
I would guess just like the mother! Nobody reported her missing because neither were in charge of her business! I'm not so sure he's guilty of anything and I can understand him hiring an attorney!
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You know, I think that professions determine our attitude to cellphones. Some people don’t answer cellphones if they have clients. It might very well mean, they don’t answer the phone all day, till the late evening.

KB is a flight instructor. Meaning she either may not get a call in time, or not answer it if she is busy. It might apply to her relatives or close people as well. Or perhaps she does not like taking calls?

Shanann Watts was the opposite, and it helped the case immensely. She was a vendor, in touch with her clients and her group. She would take every call, because a call might mean, sales. She was also super organized and “on the clock”. Small wonder her not answering the calls on the morning of August 13th was so much out of character that her friend immediately called the police!

Not every person is as organized as SW. Most are not in sales. I think it might well be KB’s style to not always answer the phone. (Busy or out of reach at work, tired single young mom at home). I think that sadly, this was the reason no one had noticed her absence until a week went by.
 
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retiredrickyinCO said:
It will be interesting to see what they can glean from PF's phone. If it didn't make the trip to Idaho was it just stationary at his house or was in in the town of Woodland Park or Colorado Springs during roughly the same time the ping from Kelsey's phone came from Idaho. Then again he could have hidden it in a vehicle of someone he knows that would be going in town or even say hide it in a farm truck and have one of his ranch helpers, if he had one, go into town to run errands. Or he could of even had a close friend make the Utah run. There are a number of possibilities.

I'm not sure they were in love like a number of people have suggested. The relationship maybe was to the point of barely speaking. Maybe Kelsey mentioning a dinner together was just trying to hide the fact the the relationship was finished. I have no idea. But the major red flag for me that I cannot seem to be able to dismiss, like so many others, is the fact he waited so long to report her missing. I don't care even if you could hardly stand her anymore I can't see where he wouldn't report her missing sooner than he did. Or at least to attempt to check up on her from her family or friends. You know he could have contacted her family or friends and say something like "I know we have been going through a very rough time together but I just want to make certain she is okay." I can't say I hate anyone but I could never not report something if I thought a person was missing or possibly in danger regardless how much I liked them. The only excuse I can come up with, and I have thought about it quite a bit would be if she let him know of her plan and she pleaded with him to keep it a secret and he did just that because he cared for her. But just having the child alone with him for that long I just have to wonder why he didn't try to reach out to Kelsey to see when she was going to get her daughter. I'm still hoping she left on her own and they possibly had some agreement as that is the only way I see this ending in a positive note. But I have to say the probability this was coordinated between the two of them is probably less that 5% after processing everything we know to be facts. Just MOO I just hope she is found and is safe.
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He never reported her missing, her mother reported that 10 days after she was last seen.
 
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