CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #15

[Jennifer17]

I read this as carrying my children to bed after rocking/Reading them to sleep. They were never too heavy to put to bed never. But we are talking about a child melded into you, embracing you in their sleep. I never have held a dead child. Oh God

I have held my dead child and she had to be prised out of my arms, not dumped in a tank of crude oil.

 

[Bill Carson]

If CW asked SW for a separation while she was pregnant it wouldn't look good on him. The separation had to be that she left him and took the kids in other peoples eyes. I'm heading more towards planned out for many reasons but this adds to it.

In many states, Colorado included, they won't let you finalize a divorce if the wife is pregnant. So they could have physically separated (i.e., one of them moved out of the home), and they could file for the divorce (which has a 91-day waiting period), but they couldn't finalize it until the baby was born in . . . [uh . . . due date . . . fifteen weeks in August . . . carry the 3 . . . 36 weeks gestation? . . . ] February! (??)

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Isn't the first person LE looks at the spouse in a case like this with a missing wife and kids? And wouldn't one of the first things they would go over with a fine toothed comb the spouse's phone??

That tidbit of information about the phone has 'unplanned' written all over it. He snapped in the moment. He didn't plan it out in the previous weeks, while his family was in NC. This wasn't a case of poor planning, it feels more like no planning. He was caught in just a few days.

 

[MCDRAW]

I think that he copied that presentation from someone else. It was supposed to be his work but then he disagrees with one of his own points. On the baby point, he says 'I am not sure that I agree with that'. Why would he put it in the presentation if he authored it?

I thought he might have said that because he could tell others didn't agree. I think he is one of those people that has always tried to do what he was suppose to or at least pretended to, and doesn't have a clue what he really thinks. JMO

 

[Bill Carson]

Except in the presentation he did that was on you tube, he talks about having a baby to help the relationship. He also talked about a moral obligation to work it out for the children.

I want to know how he got from studying automotive in high school and wanting to attend technical school to be a NASCAR mechanic to doing an oral presentation on family preservation in Colorado in 2012. How in the world did he get from point A to point B?

(Good point, btw.)

 

[MerryB]

In many states, Colorado included, they won't let you finalize a divorce if the wife is pregnant. So they could have physically separated (i.e., one of them moved out of the home), and they could file for the divorce (which has a 91-day waiting period), but they couldn't finalize it until the baby was born in . . . [uh . . . due date . . . fifteen weeks in August . . . carry the 3 . . . 36 weeks gestation? . . . ] February! (??)

Due Feb 1.

 

[HammyG]

In my mind, the 'why' is fairly simple. His motive is very basic, selfish and greedy. He did not want to be responsible for his family anymore. He did not want to be married but did not want to be stuck with child support and custody issues after the fact.

He wanted to be free from the burdens of family life. And now he is on lockdown.

CW probably thought of it as snooping.

IMO...
NU is probably (or should be) VERY relieved CW is locked up. He could very well be focusing all his rage on her for (in his mind) sticking her nose in where it didn't belong. He probably thinks he would have been golden right now playing the poor abandoned husband if it weren't for her "snooping" which brought in LE before CW was ready.

 

[Bluefield]

I miscarried at baby at 13 weeks. I did not have cramping or bleeding, but passed the baby. It was determined that the baby had died several weeks earlier. The doctor did a DNC because I never passed the placenta on my own. Even though SW died several days before they found her, it does not mean her body would immediately realease the baby.

I'm sorry you lost your baby.

 

[Jennifer17]

In many states, Colorado included, they won't let you finalize a divorce if the wife is pregnant. So they could have physically separated (i.e., one of them moved out of the home), and they could file for the divorce (which has a 91-day waiting period), but they couldn't finalize it until the baby was born in . . . [uh . . . due date . . . fifteen weeks in August . . . carry the 3 . . . 36 weeks gestation? . . . ] February! (??)

36 weeks gestation?

 

[human]

I think he had plans. First of all, the plane is delayed. So modification needed for the plan.

Then the next day, NU shows up and not only she, but the police. Oohga oohga! Major plan modification

Thinking on the fly. No time to analyze how to accomplish his goals in the best way.

 

[Jennifer17]

IMO...
NU is probably (or should be) VERY relieved CW is locked up. He could very well be focusing all his rage on her for (in his mind) sticking her nose in where it didn't belong. He probably thinks he would have been golden right now playing the poor abandoned husband if it weren't for her "snooping" which brought in LE before CW was ready.

Actually, it was posters here who have been sympathetic to CW who have accused NU of snooping and not minding her own business.

 

[BetzC]

I may have missed this somewhere along the way but why did NU go over to the house? She dropped SW off at 2AM Monday and was back over at the house at 10AM Monday? Is that right or am I missing a day? SW was not feeling well and had gotten in very late. If that was my friend I would assume she was sleeping in.

 

[tmar]

Shan'ann strikes me as someone who would keep a journal.

Fingers crossed.

CW would have destroyed it.
If SW wrote, of 'bad times', he certainly didn't want others to know.

 

[BeanieBod]

I read this as carrying my children to bed after rocking/Reading them to sleep. They were never too heavy to put to bed never. But we are talking about a child melded into you, embracing you in their sleep. I never have held a dead child. Oh God

I know what you mean.

I have held my dead child and she had to be prised out of my arms, not dumped in a tank of crude oil.

I am so sorry for your loss.

 

[Jennifer17]

I thought he might have said that because he could tell others didn't agree. I think he is one of those people that has always tried to do what he was suppose to or at least pretended to, and doesn't have a clue what he really thinks. JMO

Nah. I think that he was just a plagiarist living another lie.

 

[Jennifer17]

I may have missed this somewhere along the way but why did NU go over to the house? She dropped SW off at 2AM Monday and was back over at the house at 10AM Monday? Is that right or am I missing a day? SW was not feeling well and had gotten in very late. If that was my friend I would assume she was sleeping in.

Midday, I think. You do not sleep in with three and four year olds.

 

[gitana1]

Bear with me, please. (Sorry for the MEGO.) I want to try to explain, from my perspective only, why I think it is relevant and appropriate to discuss some things that some of you are interpreting as victim bashing.

So let's assume for the sake of this argument that SW was genuinely just as kind and sweet and good-hearted as she presents herself on SM, that she doesn't have a mean bone in her body, that she was the perfect wife and mother doing the best she could while suffering from a chronic health condition, and that she didn't have any sort of mental illness or anything like that. She is awesome, and there was no reason in the world for a rational person to dislike her, much less kill her or the children. In short, nothing that happened was her fault. Okay?

But when we try to suggest a reason why Husband hated Wife so bad and was so angry, it might sound on its face like we are blaming Wife. "He killed her because.....she wouldn't stop eating crackers in the bed!" A person might say, "Hey, you are blaming the victim here and that is against the TOS!" No, that's not what we are doing, we are providing the motive to complete the Theory of the Case.

I hope that makes sense. Sorry again for the length. I have a hard time getting my point across sometimes.

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1. No one here has said she's perfect.
2. Family annihilators do what they do because of their own defects, not because of their family's failures.
3. He didn't have to hate them to kill them.
4. The why for many of these annihilators and likely for CW as well is they wanted to be free. Free to have affairs. Free from the financial burdens of family life. Free from the drudgery and monotony of being a husband and father.

It's not that hard to understand. You don't need a chart. He's a creep. He killed his wife and kids. There is no other logical scenario based on the facts of this case.

A jury won't need to hear how awful his wife was in order to find him guilty. They just need to know how awful he is. And they will know that by the fact that he killed his family, loaded them into his car, dumped their bodies and then cooly lied about their whereabouts and his concern for them. With a dry-eyed, well rested face.

 

[Jennifer17]

I know what you mean.


I am so sorry for your loss.

Thank you for that, but it was a long, long time ago. Time does heal, but you never forget.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

What Makes a Psychopath? Science May Have the Answer

 

[whisperOFwings]

Snipped.

I don't think he snapped. I think it was a smoldering rage, fed by outside sexual interests and financial issues.

The man wanted out, but for whatever reason couldn't publicly face a failed marriage so he set himself up to look like a victim: "Not my fault the marriage ended, she disappeared with the kids."

jmo, subject to chage

Bingo. (IMO)

I for one am confident in all of the evidence that has been gathered. Think about it, pretty much every single house has cameras installed... what a godsend, Rest In Peace beautiful Shanann and her precious babies