Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #32

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CW’s potential To-Do List for that day. Wasn't quite able to get it all done.
1. Take kids to Bday party- Check (can't do actual check marks)
2. Do a little grillin'- Check
3. Put kids to bed- Check
4. Wait until they fall asleep, then kill them- Check
5. Take a nap- Check
6. Wake up when SW gets home and kill her- Check
7. Pack up the bodies- Check
8. Put sheets in garbage- Check
9. Take a nap- Check
10. Leave house at 5:30- Check
11. Dump/bury bodies- Check
12. Get to work on time- Check
13. Go home after work
14. Make the bed
15. Stage a break-in
16. Call LE to report them missing
17. Live happily ever after
 
Can you point to specific evidence, that gives credence to this theory? Something other than the words of a self admitted liar who dumped the bodies of his family like garbage.
The police or lawyers have not given us another series of events to consider. Nothing about his timeline nor viewing the babies in the moniter can be disproven thus far IMO when the lights are on in a room color can be detected. We know the dog barked that night but not sure if wellness check time therefore it’s highly unlikely none of the people were dead until after she came home. She was told he wanted to separate according to his confession. Why kill her and the kids if he is involved with someone else and leaving?
 
CW’s potential To-Do List for that day. Wasn't quite able to get it all done.
1. Take kids to Bday party- Check (can't do actual check marks)
2. Do a little grillin'- Check
3. Put kids to bed- Check
4. Wait until they fall asleep, then kill them- Check
5. Take a nap- Check
6. Wake up when SW gets home and kill her- Check
7. Pack up the bodies- Check
8. Put sheets in garbage- Check
9. Take a nap- Check
10. Leave house at 5:30- Check
11. Dump/bury bodies- Check
12. Get to work on time- Check
13. Go home after work
14. Make the bed
15. Stage a break-in
16. Call LE to report them missing
17. Live happily ever after
What do you have to back any of that up?
 
It's not delayed, the DA doesn't have it yet!

Two years ago my 37 year old step-daughter passed. It was natural causes, she had epilepsy. It was one of the worst times of my life, because we found her. Despite her illness, it took the coroner over three (3) months to issue a cause of death. It was epilepsy. These things take time, especially with multiple murders.

IMHO everyone is doing their best, and a thorough job!
 
Imo the autopsy may have something compelling that the prosecution did not anticipate once they received preliminary findings there the hesitation to get final results is bc they perhaps needed an expert . Moo I believe the timeline matches his confession and can not be disproven. He confessed as to telling the truth and thus far I am still anxiously awaiting the release of these results.

What do you mean by “he confessed as to telling the truth?”
 
Would anyone agree with me? That CW started daydreaming about killing SW, a while ago, and the girls would be part of SW - he did not see anything of himself in them. One of them looked like him and the other was somewhat shy, but to him, they were her daughters, part of her. And he dreamed, and dreamed, and one day, his imaginary world merged with reality.
Maybe he did not think of the consequences because he did not plan to be alive, and later he chickened out, or maybe the itch was so strong, he simply wanted to be done with it, but whoever said CW loved SW was wrong. I think, the opposite is true.
Conclusion. If you don't like something about the relationship before marriage, don't get married. From here, it will only get worse.
So many scenarios pop into your head when you read about so many theories. Who thinks maybe he had a plan to get rid of his wife and children at some stage , maybe not in this hurried way , but that something escalated that morning when SW walked into the house after her delayed flight. Maybe he snapped in anger and frustration and killed SW and then had to hurriedly put that sketchy daydream into action. IMO he killed SW then after realising what he had done and what the future would be even if he got away with her murder, murdered his little girls. Obviously it wasn't a solid plan or even well thought out . IMO it snowballed that morning. He,d had a lot of free time while SW was away in NC to think up many plans. Maybe he never thought it would be a reality , but it was lurking within him.
To be very clear ,I'm just trying to understand how this could possibly happen to this family . Saying he snapped in anger does not in any way absolve him from this horrendous crime. You could have walked away buddy.
 
Can you point to evidence he did it besides he lied on interview and dumped the bodies?
His own words, he says he sees one child blue on monitor, but doesn’t scream for someone to help child, doesn’t assume child could be having allergy attack, doesn’t assume child could be saved, doesn’t call for help. He apparently, by his own words, immediately assumes their mother is killing them and says he sees her strangling second child, does nothing to save second child, doesn’t scream or call for help but strangles her in a rage attack. He then calms down enough to load them in his truck and...his own words make me believe he is guilty.
 
I said IMO that may be the case. Do you have a reason for them to delay it?
Could be many reasons why, your guess is as good as mine. The crude oil probably did so much damage to the little girl's skin soaking in it for 4 days, it's unbearable to think about.
If the girls were smothered or if the girls deaths can be determined to be well before SW's, that could throw a spanner in the works for CW. I believe the damage by crude oil is the most likely reason and will take time. LE want to nail CW with every charge, got to be thorough. JMO
 
The police or lawyers have not given us another series of events to consider. Nothing about his timeline nor viewing the babies in the moniter can be disproven thus far IMO when the lights are on in a room color can be detected. We know the dog barked that night but not sure if wellness check time therefore it’s highly unlikely none of the people were dead until after she came home. She was told he wanted to separate according to his confession. Why kill her and the kids if he is involved with someone else and leaving?
We only have his word that he told her that he wanted to separate and he is a liar.
 
@gitana1 Has a pinned post on every thread. Here it is:

I am posting the evidence we know of again as some have asked. If anyone has other evidence to add please copy and add.

Evidence of triple murder:

1. Dad claims he saw a blue child on a baby monitor at night.

2. The coincidence of two people, unrelated by blood, both reacting to something in a short span of time by losing their minds and committing homicide, defies reason.

3. The coincidence of those same people both committing homicide in the exact same manner -strangulation- is unlikely.

4. A father passionate enough with love for his children, to kill at the sight of them being harmed, would be desperate beyond reason to save them. But:
a. Dad failed to call 911 to try to save his children. Even if he thought they were beyond help, a parentslove is so intense they will desperately and irrationally try for help that will never come.
b. There is no account of him throwing off the mother and working desperately to revive them or resuscitate them. Hell, total strangers have performed CPR on a child's corpse in rigor. (Cooper Harris case). But a passionately loving dad didn't even try in this case?

5. The dad failed to call 911 after killing his wife in a supposed fury of emotion.

6. Dad also failed to run screaming onto the lawn for help or in anguish.
In cases of such Greek tragedy magnitude either 5 or 6 usually comes into play.

7. This entire scene - the "emotional argument", the vicious strangulation of two children, the father witnessing the incomprehensible and reacting with murderous fury and anguish - all of it was totally silent. Except for the poor dog howling that night. How do we know? Because the houses are in close proximity and neighbors mentioned hearing nothing but the dog the next day IIRC.

8. CW did not scream or wail in anguish so great that it caused him to murder his wife. Not one report of such sounds.

9. CW supposedly lost his mind in grief and anguish. However he regained it in moments in a manner that does not comport with a true mental break. In cases we have seen where people lose it and commit murder, they are typically either wailing on the lawn and to 911 operators or they are in an apparent psychotic state- not lying about what happened, not covering it up, not able to function normally at all. See thumbnail of Julie Schenecker as an example of what this looks like. Police interview Julie Schenecker after kids found dead

10. CW, after such an insanely, horrific Greek tragedy of a scene, calmly loaded up the bodies of his wife and children in order to conceal their deaths and dispose of them. We know this because a neighbor stated she witnessed him leaving. (No reports of wailing and she said, IIRC, the truck drove normally. So no veering, spinning of tires or other signs of lack of composure). And it's apparently on video.

11. CW, a man passionately in love enough with his kids to erupt in murderous rage when they're harmed, did not attempt to give them a burial that comports psychologically with the love and bond parents have with their kids. Death Rituals Reported by White, Black, and Hispanic Parents Following the ICU Death of an Infant or Child
A Global History of Child Death

12. Instead he dumps them in two separate vats of oil. Not together. No way to commemorate their lives. Concealed. Discarded. In a manner that veers from any known traditional burial rite of any kind.

13. CW went to work and monitored the ring video of his house. After the horrific Greek tragedy he just endured. He went to work. And monitored the video of his front door.

14. CW left a few voice messages and sent some texts to the wife he knew was dead, thus calmly concealing what happened.

15. CW calmly called SW's friend after she came to the door and he saw her on the ring video. He asked what was going on. We know this because he stated as much and this is corroborated by the friend.

16. CW rushed home - blowing stop signs and with beating heart, according to him- when CW came to the house and expressed alarm. The first time we have heard of a hint of emotion on his part since the horrific murders of his kids supposedly by his wife and his heat of passion killing of her, occurs when he the authorities are about to get involved.

17. CW cooly lied to the friend about where SW was supposed to be that day and why she wasn't at home. After he lost his mind the night before. He is calm and able to work to conceal those events.

18. There is not one hint of brief reactive psychosis or drug induced psychosis in CW's demeanor and behavior since 5:15 am the morning of the deaths, nor the next day as he gives calm and detailed interviews to the media. His pupils are normal. He is not slurring speech. He does not have a vacant stare. He exhibits no delusions or paranoia. He is not showing emotional lability. (I'm no expert in psychology but have seen a few psychotic people due to psychotic breaks or drugs and it's easy to research).

19. CW shows no anguish, depression, grief, concern, sadness or despair during his stoic media interviews, despite having supposedly been so deranged by his passionate love for his kids that he killed their attacker. His eyes are dry. Not red. No signs of puffiness from weeping. His face is smooth and calm. He looks well rested. No bags under his eyes. He smiles. He grins. He smirks. All with the knowledge that his insane wife savagely murdered his precious babies causing him to lose his mind with anguish. And with the knowledge that the people he loved so fiercely it caused him to kill, are rotting in separate vats of oil.

20. CW calmly and continuously lies to the media about the whereabouts of his dead wife and dead children.

21. CW systematically works with LE to track down his wife and kids. Brainstorming. Supplying numbers and addresses. Calling people. All the while knowing they are dead and decomposing.

22. CW is questioned and lies about having an affair. A motive in many murders of wives.

23. SW was pregnant. (A circumstance present in vast numbers of murders of spouses or parents by men).

24. Some people and report that CW seemed distant with his wife and kids in the weeks leading up to this monstrous event.

25. CW was not hospitalized for any reason after this tragedy.

A couple of things from the CO model jury instructions:

D:01 DIRECT AND CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE—NO DISTINCTION

A fact may be proven by either direct or circumstantial evidence. Under the law, both are acceptable ways to prove something. Neither is necessarily more reliable than the other.


E:03 PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE, BURDEN OF PROOF, AND REASONABLE DOUBT

Reasonable doubt means a doubt based upon reason and common sense which arises from a fair and rational consideration of all of the evidence, or the lack of evidence, in the case. It is a doubt which is not a vague, speculative or imaginary doubt, but such a doubt as would cause reasonable people to hesitate to act in matters of importance to themselves.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/Supreme_Court/Committees/Criminal_Jury_Instructions/2017/COLJI-Crim 2017 - Final.pdf
Kudos to you and Gitana1

It says it all!
 
The police or lawyers have not given us another series of events to consider. Nothing about his timeline nor viewing the babies in the moniter can be disproven thus far IMO when the lights are on in a room color can be detected. We know the dog barked that night but not sure if wellness check time therefore it’s highly unlikely none of the people were dead until after she came home. She was told he wanted to separate according to his confession. Why kill her and the kids if he is involved with someone else and leaving?
The police have not accused Shanann of killing her babies either. MOO
 
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