Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #33

[MistyWaters]

You should go back to the beginning of thread 33, this one, Layla posted the AB interview with the oil tank expert. There was some detail about how long it would take a pump to fill them, etc. AB said that she had a tip that the tanks were full and it took 8 hours to empty the tank to get the children, and how many barrels of oil it was, I just don't remember the details. But, if it all was correct, it was some of the most specific info we've had on the operation of the tanks, and size of the holes in the tanks.

I’m not suggesting CR emptied the tanks just to place the bodies in.

Oil tanks get filled by truck, rail or pipeline, etc after well production and then are emptied when the company sells the raw product (oil) to a refinery. If an oil tank is a permanent storage unit, in my experience that’d be very unusual.

That’s why I wonder if CR placed the girls bodies in the tanks prior to the company filling them with oil. After the tanks had been cleaned, the larger bottom door closed in preparation for filling with oil, there’d be no reason for anyone to take a second look inside.

 

[wastedglitter]

I’m not sure if it’s been discussed, so I apologize if it has, I tried to read from the beginning but fell too far behind and gave up at thread #28 or so.

In mid August, especially out in the plains (where the bodies were left) it gets SO hot. Anywhere from 95-105 degrees, for weeks straight. Cools off to 70s at night. But the thought of him putting Bella and Cece in the oil tanks FOR FOUR DAYS in 100 DEGREE weather, it makes me physically ill. (Not that being buried in a clandestine shallow grave isn’t also horrible.)

I saw a little discussion a while back about whether or not the tanks are heated, so my main point is that regardless of whether they’re heated or not, it’s 100 degrees, there are no trees near the tanks, it’s just open plains and sun. So the oil is going to be somewhat heated just from the hot temperatures and location of the tanks.

I hate to be graphic but it makes me so extremely sad that not only did he have to kill them all, but the way that they must have looked when their bodies were found?? JUST NO.
Their poor family couldn’t even have an open casket service for them because of how they were disposed of.
Beyond disturbing.

IMO

 

[Thepoet]

But...
He did get his defense to ask for neck swabs so I am thinking he must think something was perserved... so maybe bags, sacks, or sheets.

Did he " get his defense to ask for neck swabs" or did his attorneys review what he told the police, and then just automatically made that request? At this point I'm not going to give him credit for being clever. IMO, he's been malignant, brutal, cold, evil, selfish, but not clever. Maybe when he told his lies to the police, he believed any evidence would be contaminated or destroyed. And then his attorneys, following his story, asked for the swabs and DNA. Maybe he's been hoist on his own petard, again!

 

[katydid23]

But...
He did get his defense to ask for neck swabs so I am thinking he must think something was perserved... so maybe bags, sacks, or sheets.

I am more jaded and suspicious.

I think they publicly asked for those swabs because it made them 'LOOK' like they wanted to prove he was innocent and it made it 'LOOK' like he thought those swabs would help him.

But in reality, they knew the oil would take away any 'touch DNA' and he was counting on that when he stuffed the bodies inside that oil vat.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

You can believe it or not.

Unless there's a link it's considered rumor and against TOS.

 

[Jennifer17]

It is really odd that so many women defend him & pick apart everything about Shannan EVERYTHING. I sometimes think it's purely jealousy. She was attractive & had a wonderful personality. Or is it subconsciously because they think she should have seen the monster he was about to reveal? Do they think she should have done more to protect her children ? Are they afraid because the Watts relationship reminds them so much of their own? I believe they think if she had looked different, been less alpha and more beta, a poor housekeeper, a mediocre mother and wife things would have been much different. I just don't get it at all.

None of us do.

 

[Jennifer17]

I’m not suggesting CR emptied the tanks just to place the bodies in.

Oil tanks are get filled and then emptied when the company sells the raw product (oil) to a refinery. If an oil tank is a permanent storage unit, in my experience that’d be very unusual.

His initials are CW. It has been reported over and over again that the bodies were immersed in oil. And others who have worked in that industry say that it is not unusual for the oil to be stored for some time.

 

[Jennifer17]

Unless there's a link it's considered rumor and against TOS.

Then you can report it.

 

[dgfred]

I am sure that he didn't ask for the neck swabs, his defence team did because of his story.

Why so sure?
If he was thinking of his final 'story' beforehand (don't think he was tho)... he could have made sure some dna from SW was on their necks.

Mainly my reasoning is this- He would not have loaded the girls into the truck without wrappings IMO. 'If' you are seen by anyone you can't just be carrying a dead body in your arms... a bag or sack could be anything.
Don't you think from the truck to the oil tanks would be the same?
I see them wrapped up just like I think SW was in the bedsheet.

 

[PommyMommy]

Since we’ve heard about the tanks, I’m wondering if the babysitter on Saturday night was babysitting the girls while he prepped that site. I’d heard he’d been “at a work function” and speculations of a date at a casino but it seems to me more probable that he was setting things up for the next evening now.

It's possible, but I don't think we know enough about security/cameras at the well site to ascertain whether or not that would've set off any alarm bells. I'm certain it will come out at trial what he was doing on Saturday night, but we probably won't know until then.
MOO

 

[Melsworld]

You are not selling a product to the general public I assume.

The timing (what was going on then) was my main question. Why would he do that?

Someone mentioned- he was tired of her posting gushy stuff about him when they were discussing seperation...
they didn't answer back when I asked- what does her gushy post have to do with HIS account? Why delete his when her post are the problem?

Just my opinion but if SW was tagging him in the happy posts the AP would see them and ask questions. I wonder if the AP talked to him about a life where they did have children and how wonderful that life would be...

 

[Jennifer17]

Why so sure?
If he was thinking of his final 'story' beforehand (don't think he was tho)... he could have made sure some dna from SW was on their necks.

Mainly my reasoning is this- He would not have loaded the girls into the truck without wrappings IMO. 'If' you are seen by anyone you can't just be carrying a dead body in your arms... a bag or sack could be anything.
Don't you think from the truck to the oil tanks would be the same?
I see them wrapped up just like I think SW was in the bedsheet.

I am sure because I think that he did not think of any of those things. He certainly wasn't thinking about DNA when he left a bed sheet there.

 

[SoccerMotha]

Hello everyone!

I’ve been lurking here for a couple of weeks now and thought I might as well make an account.

I’ve been following this case extremely closely. I live in Colorado, about 60 miles from the Watts’ home and about 20 miles from where he left Shanann (Nico), Bella & CeCe’s bodies.

This case has struck a chord with me that I can’t quite explain.

Welcome @wastedglitter ! I love your screen name!

 

[dgfred]

I am more jaded and suspicious.

I think they publicly asked for those swabs because it made them 'LOOK' like they wanted to prove he was innocent and it made it 'LOOK' like he thought those swabs would help him.

But in reality, they knew the oil would take away any 'touch DNA' and he was counting on that when he stuffed the bodies inside that oil vat.

Sorry to put it this way but-
'If' you are him... where besides the oil tanks (at your workplace) would you put the bodies?

He had no choice IMO, so I don't think he planned (counted) on anything.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Well said PommyMommy!

I hope, with permission from Tricia, we could have some of the more distasteful posts removed, by one or more of us posters, we could have temporary mod capabilities . I imagine this could be arranged once more damning evidence is revealed against CW, hopefully well before the trial is even underway.
SW is the victim and this is a victim friendly site. JMO

Been there, tried that, didn't work.

 

[dgfred]

I am sure because I think that he did not think of any of those things. He certainly wasn't thinking about DNA when he left a bed sheet there.

I asked the same thing of G.
If you are 'him' (pretend)... where do you take the bodies? What do you do?

 

[wastedglitter]

Welcome @wastedglitter ! I love your screen name!

thank you so much!

 

[Jennifer17]

I asked the same thing of G.
If you are 'him' (pretend)... where do you take the bodies? What do you do?

I can't answer that. I just cannot comprehend his actions at all, but anything would be better than crunching them into vats of crude oil.

 

[MistyWaters]

His initials are CW. It has been reported over and over again that the bodies were immersed in oil. And others who have worked in that industry say that it is not unusual for the oil to be stored for some time.

Sorry my mistake, yes CW.

Yes, we know the bodies were immersed in oil as the tanks were almost full when the bodies were recovered. But were they full or empty when the children’s bodies were placed in them, I don’t think we know.

That the tanks were empty but soon filled is purely speculation, nothing more. But depending on what the investigation has revealed, it could be proof of the murder of the children in advance of SW’s return home. And why the children’s bodies were found in the oil tanks but SW’s in a shallow grave, if the filling of the tanks had occurred by that day.

ETA
Another possibility, if the tanks were initially empty, CW may have intended to use that as a temporary location and relocate them along with SW and his unborn child to a different impossible-to-ever-find location.

 

[Gardener1850]

Just adding something to think about regarding the oil tanks but as I haven’t followed this case very closely, I might be way out in left field.

But how do we know the oil tanks were full when the bodies of the girls were put inside? Maybe they were empty, access to the empty tanks was through the larger door at the bottom and the tanks were filled later from the smaller hole at the top?

I assume the larger bottom door was for the purpose of cleaning the tank of sludge and settlement. Was CW involved in the process, maybe even involved in bolting the larger doors shut prior to an oil shipment?

One reason I wonder if the tanks were frequently filled and emptied is the price of oil is quite high and when that occurs, often oil tanks are used for shorter term storage prior to sale.

According to AB's show transcript it would take 3 months to fill one of the tanks up. Therefore, they could not have been empty when the girls were place in them. The girls were found submerged in full tanks only 3 days later. Here is the transcript of the show:
CNN.com - Transcripts