Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #38

[CarnegieHall]

Well he had time for at least one affair so he must not have been too dominated and busy taking care of the kids.

Since we have no idea how the relationship started, who was the initiator, when it started and where and how often it was conducted, I will reserve my judgment.

 

[Serena Angelique]

Ok I’m normally a lurker but have to post. When would he have had time for friends? Have you never known someone who was dominated in a relationship? The outgoing extroverted one is always planning my activities and always on the go. He wants to stay after work and get a beer? No expected home to watch the kids or go to mutual friends for dinner. Go on vacations by himself? How? When? It takes continual effort to keep close friends, and much harder if you are introverted. And once kids come along, so much harder and so much effort. Again read about introversion, whereas extroverts derive energy from other people, introverts find it very tiring to socialize. If you’re working all day and taking care of house and helping with kids and socializing with mutual frIends and you’re introverted, who wants to do more than that?

Again, all my opinion.

IMO CW is incorrectly termed as an introvert. He likely had antisocial personality disorder which can mask as introversion, but being reserved and seemingly shy doesn’t necessarily mean he was an introvert. SW CALLED him an introvert but she also called him “her rock” and this was her translation of his personality.

He also had time enough to lead a seemingly double life, have affair/s and get around his regimented home life. He could always claim he had to go to some site or do something for work to get away.

At one point Nick Thayer is asked if he ever talked about Chris’ marital problems with him. He asserted that -no-“we never talked about those kinds of things”. Which leads me to believe that weren’t close.

I don’t think he was close to anyone from reports. Casual acquaintances, old roommates, high school friends who haven’t seen him in years and the Thrive bunch and his work bunch combined, none claim to have really known him. Doesn’t mean he was an introvert. Does signify (to me) that he wasn’t someone who revealed much or got close to people. Even his wife didn’t know who she was dealing with and that’s likely because he showed her what he thought she wanted to see.

 

[MerryB]

Before she "passed away?" Surely you must mean before she was murdered, right? And, we have two VI's here who knew Shanann before she was murdered who have spoken quite highly of her. If there's any doubt whether Shanann was well loved by people who knew her prior to being murdered by her husband, one only needs to take a look at the hundreds or thousands of comments on her FB posts and the many articles that contain quotes from various friends across the country.
MOO

I’m not arguing the fact that Shannan had friends.
I was addressing the post that said Chris had no friends.
Thank you.

 

[CarnegieHall]

And likely more than one affair.

Heresay

 

[Colorado303]

Thanks, then he would have had plenty of time to drive in from Hudson or wherever he was working, in time to be 5 minutes away for her second call. I was just wondering if he said where he was when she first called. She probably knows what he said, it will be in her testimony with lots of details we don't know yet.

She called three times and he told her he was at work each time.

 

[compass]

I’m sure you did. It’s not your fault. Unfortunately, sometimes what is actually stated in an article or interview is then misconstrued by others to fit their preconceived ideas or fit existing theories. I just wanted to bring attention to the actual facts.

I am not misconstruing any ideas to fit into my thoughts that he is guilty. I am using the actual facts of the case as we know them from LE. It would not make his guilt more or less believable if he had no friends or a million friends in my opinion. I can understand why even close friends or family would not want to speak out, possibly they would have a hard time believing someone they thought they knew could commit such a heinous act. I am sure SW never could have imagined it possible. I don’t think there is any explaining how someone could do such a thing and that is why there is interest in what he was truly like before that night.

 

[MerryB]

But many people are interested in the academic and psychological aspects of human behavior when people cross an uncrossable line. They realize the information they can provide about their relationship with the accused could be very insightful. There’s always some of those, but not for this murder.

I think if CW has close friends and family, their prerogative at this time is to protect the investigation, not speak to the press to provide insight. JMO

 

[MollyDDD]

I’m sure you did. It’s not your fault. Unfortunately, sometimes what is actually stated in an article or interview is then misconstrued by others to fit their preconceived ideas or fit existing theories. I just wanted to bring attention to the actual facts.

Well thank you for pointing that out to me. I’m still learnin’ the ropes here.

 

[MollyDDD]

I think if CW has close friends and family, their prerogative at this time is to protect the investigation, not speak to the press to provide insight. JMO

I agree, as I think I would do the same if it was my family member.

 

[FlossyMay]

He lied, cheated, killed his family and discarded their bodies. I think that qualifies as being less of a person.

 

[Shekkiec]

Do you have a link for that? Or is this pure speculation?

IMO it seems stated as an opinion so no link required, I agree bc aren't friends and co-workers testimony usually relevant during trials? I would also think IMO that is why we have no longer heard from people currently in sw life as well. Perhaps that is evidenced by a old teacher interview of sw by AB. moo

 

[CarnegieHall]

IMO CW is incorrectly termed as an introvert. He likely had antisocial personality disorder which can mask as introversion, but being reserved and seemingly shy doesn’t necessarily mean he was an introvert. SW CALLED him an introvert but she also called him “her rock” and this was her translation of his personality.

He also had time enough to lead a seemingly double life, have affair/s and get around his regimented home life. He could always claim he had to go to some site or do something for work to get away.

At one point Nick Thayer is asked if he ever talked about Chris’ marital problems with him. He asserted that -no-“wenever talked about those kinds of things”. Which leads me to believe that weren’t close.

I don’t think he was close to anyone from reports. Casual acquaintances, old roommates, high school friends who haven’t seen him in years and the Thrive bunch and his work bunch combined, none claim to have really known him. Doesn’t mean he was an introvert. Does signify (to me) that he wasn’t someone who revealed much or got close to people. Even his wife didn’t know who she was dealing with and that’s likely because he showed her what he thought she wanted to see.

IMO how many men really open up to other men? And not about superficial stuff like kids, chores, work and sports? That’s takes vulnerability and many men are not very good at that, and especially if they are really her friends. That could also be why for the AP. Men can open up much better to women. iMO

 

[Layla123]

IMO current friends & family members have been encouraged to stay silent for now for a multitude of reasons.

I’m sure that’s true, but there have to be friends and acquaintances who knew CW with no information relevant to the case who can come forward. And I guess there have been, like the guy at the auto dealership, but he didn’t really know CW. It’s looking to me like C.W. is the kind of guy who likes to keep his business to himself. Enjoys his own company.

 

[PommyMommy]

IMO, not to sound argumentative, but this is like when Facebook first came out and people compared their likability to have many “friends” they have. I don’t think anyone is debating that shannan was extremely outgoing and friendly. But that doesn’t mean that someone who is not that outgoing and doesn’t have admiration she had is any less of a person. And I do agree with another poster who said we tend to overlook faults when people die.

BBM
I agree, and although I would like to think that most people were taught to show respect for the dead (especially innocent victims who have been murdered and are not here to defend themselves), unfortunately as we've seen in this case, not everyone places value on that kind of respect.

But what I was pointing out was that the love and admiration for Shanann Watts was present prior to CW murdering her, her unborn child and their two baby girls. It did not just surface after she was murdered.
MOO

 

[CarnegieHall]

I’m sure that’s true, but there have to be friends and acquaintances who knew CW with no information relevant to the case who can come forward. And I guess there have been, like the guy at the auto dealership, but he didn’t really know CW. It’s looking to me like C.W. is the kind of guy who likes to keep his business to himself. Enjoys his own company.

Not that anything is wrong with that, correct? At least up until recently

 

[MerryB]

We have no evidence of this unless you can share it.

It’s my opinion (MOO) and our trial lawyer @Amandaaa has agreed that in her professional opinion, they’d be advised to stay quiet at this time to protect the investigation.

 

[Jennifer17]

Heresay

Yes, but no more hearsay than all of the stuff that has been said about SW to assassinate her character and show that she was capable of murder. There have been claims by others that they had affairs with him, no people have come forward to say anything substantial about the claims that SW was a liar and faked her illnesses other than people doing it to fit their own agenda.

 

[Layla123]

I think if CW has close friends and family, their prerogative at this time is to protect the investigation, not speak to the press to provide insight. JMO

You may be right, but I think it’s human nature to speak up on behalf your friend when you believe he is being wrongly accused. Not happening here. I find that to be unusual.

 

[Shekkiec]

He lied, cheated, killed his family and discarded their bodies. I think that qualifies as being less of a person.

IMO him being treated as innocent until proven guilty by jury would be of honest concern for me as anyone that knew SW, I would want to make sure if he is guilty than nothing could be tainted or thrown out, if he didn't do it I would feel those same measures important IMO

 

[Serena Angelique]

IMO how many men really open up to other men? And not about superficial stuff like kids, chores, work and sports? That’s takes vulnerability and many men are not very good at that, and especially if they are really her friends. That could also be why for the AP. Men can open up much better to women. iMO

My partner has a few male friends he tells everything too and who reveal everything to him regarding the status of relationships etc....Men might not do it as often as women, but most normal men do discuss personal things with their “close friends” and it seems that nobody really knew Chris Watts, and they definitely didn’t know what he was capable of in their wildest dreams.

 

[Thepoet]

IMO CW is incorrectly termed as an introvert. He likely had antisocial personality disorder which can mask as introversion, but being reserved and seemingly shy doesn’t necessarily mean he was an introvert. SW CALLED him an introvert but she also called him “her rock” and this was her translation of his personality.

He also had time enough to lead a seemingly double life, have affair/s and get around his regimented home life. He could always claim he had to go to some site or do something for work to get away.

At one point Nick Thayer is asked if he ever talked about Chris’ marital problems with him. He asserted that -no-“we never talked about those kinds of things”. Which leads me to believe that weren’t close.

I don’t think he was close to anyone from reports. Casual acquaintances, old roommates, high school friends who haven’t seen him in years and the Thrive bunch and his work bunch combined, none claim to have really known him. Doesn’t mean he was an introvert. Does signify (to me) that he wasn’t someone who revealed much or got close to people. Even his wife didn’t know who she was dealing with and that’s likely because he showed her what he thought she wanted to see.

Very well said. Kudos!