Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #5

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TheDuchess said:
As a very long user of antidepressants, I can tell you authoritatively what they can do to you. When you are a clinically depressed and anxious person as I was these meds can really help. I wish my mother, who had the same thing as me had been willing to try them but back then you couldn't go to a psychiatrist or that would mean you were crazy. So she took lots of tranquilizers and pain meds the doctor prescribed her until she did so much damage to her heart she died of arythmia at the age of 62.

I find that I can live a happy and healthy life on these meds as long as I find the right ones (which I have) and the right dosage (which I have) and most importantly TAKE THEM EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!

I have tried taking myself off of them in the past just to see. I've tried weaning, etc... And there have also been times where I was too broke or too busy to refill my prescription and I've gone a week or two without them. It is the WITHDRAWAL that can make you a psychopath, honestly.

After a few days, I notice myself getting short with the kids and my husband and those I interact with. I start to swear much more often than I used to. A few more days, I start getting overly hostile and combative. By a week or two, I am a stark raving lunatic. Throwing things, screaming at the top of my lungs and making a complete mess of my family and my life. Any longer than that, I begin to feel a combination of suicidal and homicidal. Not the point where I want to actually kill myself or kill my family, but I can feel such anger boiling up inside of me that I can definitely see how going any further than that can truly make a person snap. Luckily, I have strong faith and a very loving family and I've managed to get through it and back on my meds. I've also learned a lot of ways with dealing with the stress.

But, when it is happening, it seems perfectly normal and logical to you. Of course, why wouldn't I want to break every dish in the house because someone forgot to let the dog out and she pooped on the carpet? It is very difficult to come back to reality and remember that oh yeah-I haven't taken my meds. Sometimes when my family will ask, "did you take your meds?" I get even madder! Now, however, I am very good about taking them, refilling them and doing LOTS better. They still make me a bit crazy when they forget to let the dog out and she poops on the rug, but I live with it.

Now that said, I've NEVER actually thought about killing myself or my family. I've felt so depressed that I wanted to die, but only because I was too miserable being alive, if that makes sense. And I'd never actually physically harm my precious family even though I have hurt them emotionally with my withdrawals in the past. Luckily they've forgiven me and still love me.

So that said, I get how withdrawal from meds can make someone do something they wouldn't normally do and if mixed with other issues, i.e. substance abuse, or just an already twisted soul that can push someone over the edge.

However, I will say this. A person who would do something like that and go off the deep end and perhaps kill their family is actually going to do one of two things. They are going to kill themselves. Or they will immediately regret and confess. They won't cavalierly do an interview on their front porch throwing out lies after lies after lies.

CW is, in my opinion, a sociopath. As I have said before, he has always been one and always will be. He mimics what he thinks a good guy is supposed to look and act like. And for whatever reason, he felt he would exposed and did what he thought he needed to do to save his secret.
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Thank you for sharing Duchess, I always like your post :) :)
 
Davia18 said:
I don't understand the below from document #4.
Does this mean they can't investigate CW, isn't that what the prosecution is supposed to do and LE.
Sorry I don't understand legal stuff, I'll wait for Gitana.
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No. They're trying, though, to limit what records can be examined in the course of the investigation Like his medical records or any social services records. Things that are "privileged" already and thus not subject to subpoenas typically.

But I don't know how successful the motion will be. I'm not sure how it works in criminal law. I've seen cases where things like social services records are admitted into evidence in murder cases. So I'm not sure about any exceptions to privilege in murder cases. Or any other cases.

I know that in civil litigation if a party put their own medical history or status into question then their records are subject to subpoena. They've opened the door and waived privilege.
 
Satchie said:
You're right, I shouldn't have said easy, perhaps more that it's a legal and socially accepted option, chosen by many people as an alternative to staying in an unhappy marriage, and provides an escape hatch so no one has to be socially shunned, or kill themselves or others.

Fortunately, men in the US almost never decide to kill their children just so they don't have to financially support them after divorce.
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I think this is why I am leaning (as far as the kids go) he planned on killing her . Did not think it out enough or whatever and got in a place where he felt he had choice if that makes sense??
 
Is there confession or not ? Confession was mentioned by cousins of SW in their SM post when they announced that CW is in custody . Since then everybody calls it alleged confession . I believe there is no confession.
Regarding their relationship and her NC trip . Her mother’s coworker in beauty salon didn’t like CW and says SW was complaining of her marriage . Her friend says he was distanced from kids and her, yet he calls his mom to yell at her for not taking care of his kids. She praises him on SM yet complains to the same people in real life . Did she have any other friends besides Thrive people ? I don’t trust Thrive “friends” .
 
Can anyone who's read the documents requesting the DNA swab confirm whether it says the little girls were submerged in oil for "several days" or "four days"? I've read both in the MSM. If we can verify "four days," that would seem to indicate that the girls were murdered first, since Sunday is four days before Thursday and Shanann was out-of-town until the early hours of Monday, right?
 
BeckyF said:
An FBI behavioral specialist said the same thing about CW. They stated he did not just 'snap'.
O'Toole said the interview demonstrates Watts' "selfish" thinking style, indicating he was likely demonstrating similar behavior before the murders and didn't "snap."
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I can almost understand how a person under extreme provocation might 'snap' or lash out and hurt someone, but not kill 3 people. There is time for a lot of premeditation IMO and the manner in which he disposed of his children speaks to me of the deepest contempt, resentment and hatred, not just a flash in the pan feeling. I was thinking back to when we buried our dearly loved dog. It took everything I had to cover his face over to put him in the ground. The thought that he could strip every bit of dignity from his wife and children in death indicates that he actually relished the act.
 
margarita25 said:
“They “were having marital problems and she [Shanann] was getting ready to leave him,” the friend told PEOPLE last week.“
After His Pregnant Wife Vanishes, Husband Said Their Marriage Was Having Problems: Report

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Since the prosecution will likely use this as one of their main arguments, I wonder if the defense can object to this on the basis of “hearsay”? And if so, will the judge overrule?(@gitana1 )

Even if he doesn’t allow it I’m sure the prosecution will have much more they can offer!
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There is a hearsay exception to statements like this, called the state of mind/intent exception. This is how statements like “she told me that she was afraid of her husband” get into court. Similarly here, “she told me she wanted to leave her husband” would be admissible.
 
CARIIS said:
No judgement here

just sharing

certainly not diagnosing anything - doing what we do throwing out food for thought in trying to put this tragedy tougher.

Fantasy bonding generally results in different response types by gender- generally speaking.

It a coping mechanism

For a woman attempts to deal with these intense feelings often result in formation of behaving and thinking that as a cluster the Borderline Personality Disorder.

It often becomes Narisstic in the male.

The worst combination (male N and female BPD) known on the planet!

There is often like a magnetic field (!) The female Borderline is wildly attracted to the Narcissist male, while the N male is often wildl
:y attracted to the B female.

The results are usually castasrophic

borderline personality disorder may experience mood swings and display uncertainty about how they see themselves and their role in the world. As a result, their interests and values can change quickly.

People with borderline personality disorder also tend to view things in extremes, such as all good or all bad.

An individual who is seen as a friend one day may be considered an enemy or traitor the next. These shifting feelings can lead to intense and unstable relationships.

  • Efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment, such as rapidly initiating intimate (physical or emotional) relationships or cutting off communication with someone in anticipation of being abandoned
Impulsive and often dangerous behaviors, such as spending sprees,

some persons with BPD are high functioning in certain settings, their private lives may be in turmoil.

Loss, neglect and bullying

ntense and highly changeable moods, with each episode lasting from a few hours to a few days

People who have a close family member, such as a parent or sibling with the disorder may be at higher risk of developing borderline personality disorder.

Many people with borderline personality disorder report experiencing traumatic life events, such as abuse, abandonment, or adversity during childhood. Others may have been exposed to unstable, invalidating relationships, and hostile conflicts.

The relentless posts about how incredible he is (going to extreme measures to avoid abandonment. Nonstop sharing of how great he is --which we now know can be probably termed somewhat delusional moo )

Fear of abandonment. People with BPD are often terrified of being abandoned or left alone

impacts the way you think and feel about yourself and others, causing problems functioning in everyday life. It includes a pattern of unstable intense relationships, distorted self-image, extreme emotions and impulsiveness.

Imo his narcissistic traits are a bit muted and not glaring because he appeares to be covert introverted narcissist


NIMH » Borderline Personality Disorder

Borderline personality disorder - Symptoms and causes

BPD OVERVIEW - Borderline Personality Disorder
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I think Denver 7 had a psychologist evaluate his public plea. Surprisingly a different opinion said overall he responded appropriately which in and of itself was troubling if he killed his family.


Yet another possible part of a possible defense.
 
Charliegizmo49 said:
Boy you ask a lot of questions!!! I know some answers but I’m going to give you some links to read. I did and one thing I can quickly answer is depending on the tank size, and the roof ( fixed or floating) he may have had as much as a manhole size cover to fit through. Having said that, there would have been as many as 8 bolts to loosen to open the access.

I worked on the Exxon Valdez oil spill for the governor in Alaska. I was waiting to see if the prosecutor identified the type if tank. And as far as the solids in tanks yes there are some. I’ll find a link. The crude pumped out of the ground and into tanks is either sweet or sour. And if it was a crude oil tank then there’s only one shipping destination. A refinery. Keep in mind too the oil is heated to keep it liquid and thinner in order to pump easier through a pipeline. Those bodies were in very warm oil for over 4 days.

The cost to recover them was not cheap for Anadarko. Highly trained specialists are contracted to even open tanks to do anything inside. The vapors are flammable and I would imagine they had a crew come in from somewhere else to do it. Yes the tanks get maintained but that maintenance is customized to environmental laws and requirements in each jurisdiction. Each is different.

I’ll get done links posted. I hope I was helpful.
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I have to think he researched this, either through his home or his work computer.

The helicopter flyover the area shows hundreds of wells & tanks. Some are very small & inconspicuous. Some are big plants with dozens of tanks.

He might have done some reconaissance on the one he chose: Drove out to see how long it took, how conspicuous or inconspicuous they were to others, road conditions & traffic. His phone would likely be recording all these locations.

Even thought they might be defensible as "part of his job" , I'll bet Anadanko would have records of what he should have been doing & when.
 
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Lore Listener said:
Can anyone who's read the documents requesting the DNA swab confirm whether it says the little girls were submerged in oil for "several days" or "four days"? I've read both in the MSM. If we can verify "four days," that would seem to indicate that the girls were murdered first, since Sunday is four days before Thursday and Shanann was out-of-town until the early hours of Monday, right?
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Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday... that’s four days. All or part of a day is usually considered a day.
 
Gardenista said:
20m20 minutes ago
Just got a copy of nearly 80 documents related to the Chris Watts case. Here’s what I learned: -Defense asked for Shanann’s nails to be swabbed for DNA -Defense asked for girl’s necks to be swabbed for DNA -Defense has been trying to block media coverage to ensure a fair trial
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The friend doing an interview will create issues v
 
ZsaZsa said:
I can almost understand how a person under extreme provocation might 'snap' or lash out and hurt someone, but not kill 3 people. There is time for a lot of premeditation IMO and the manner in which he disposed of his children speaks to me of the deepest contempt, resentment and hatred, not just a flash in the pan feeling. I was thinking back to when we buried our dearly loved dog. It took everything I had to cover his face over to put him in the ground. The thought that he could strip every bit of dignity from his wife and children in death indicates that he actually relished the act.
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I absolutely agree.
 
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