Couple who adopted 12 children shot to death #1

[harleysnana]

Did you see my post on the last page?
I put a few links to the pictures!

 

[JustMe42]

I think what I found his HUGE.
I'm trying to figure out how to do it!



Okay so if you go to one of Patrick Gonzalez myspace pages
there are two pictures. One of "the people who have my daughter"
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=468734116&albumID=667285&imageID=3181242
and "at least I know they are feeding her"
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=468734116&albumID=667285&imageID=6382321
I believe the guy with gray hair is Melanie Billings dad.
She has a picture of him on her myspace.
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=70047361&albumID=2592095&imageID=42364046
Also in the picture of the "at least I know they are feeding her"
The older lady in the picture looks like the same lady in Melanie Billings
slide show picture #11 "Ash, granny and pop"
And does the man in the picture "at least I know they are feeding her"
look like a younger Bud Billings?

.... or am I crazy?

Couldnt get right pic to link. But there is one with them sitting at picnik table that looks similar. You have to go thru his pics and the pic says these are the people tha have her, and he offers a reward. But, It does look like him.

 

[FromFL]

This is why you become addicted because as soon as you wander away good info turns up.

Shhh...I was supposed to be sleeping at least 30 minutes ago :wink:

BTW did any one see or post Sumner's arrest info? I don't remember seeing it on here, then again my eyes are seeing everything in triplicate right now from lack of sleep.

These were criminal charges

currently open case: charged as a habitual offender: driving while license suspsended
http://benchmark.clerkofcourts.cc/CaseDetail.aspx?txt=sumner&ps=50&m=name&s=4&caseid=1029514

closed case: charged with disorderly conduct/affray
http://benchmark.clerkofcourts.cc/CaseDetail.aspx?txt=sumner&ps=50&m=name&s=4&caseid=762459

LOTS of traffic tickets

go here http://www.clerkofcourts.cc/court/courtsearch.htm and enter his name: Gary Sumner -- too many to type or link just for traffic stuff.

Also, he got sued by Citifinancial for over $10,000 and had his wages garnished.

It appears Okaloosa County doesn't have a jail/inmate page to look at

and from http://www.sheriff-okaloosa.org/offense/#today is Okaloosa County Sheriff's Office offense/public info page...very unorganized, even when clicking "today"

 

[mikeysmommom]

I think what I found his HUGE.
I'm trying to figure out how to do it!


Okay so if you go to one of Patrick Gonzalez myspace pages
there are two pictures. One of "the people who have my daughter"
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=468734116&albumID=667285&imageID=3181242
and "at least I know they are feeding her"
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=468734116&albumID=667285&imageID=6382321
I believe the guy with gray hair is Melanie Billings dad.
She has a picture of him on her myspace.
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=70047361&albumID=2592095&imageID=42364046
Also in the picture of the "at least I know they are feeding her"
The older lady in the picture looks like the same lady in Melanie Billings
slide show picture #11 "Ash, granny and pop"
And does the man in the picture "at least I know they are feeding her"
look like a younger Bud Billings?

.... or am I crazy?

I have been up all night trying to find info but It sure does look like it to me.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Shhh...I was supposed to be sleeping at least 30 minutes ago :wink:

BTW did any one see or post Sumner's arrest info? I don't remember seeing it on here, then again my eyes are seeing everything in triplicate right now from lack of sleep.

These were criminal charges

currently open case: charged as a habitual offender: driving while license suspsended
http://benchmark.clerkofcourts.cc/CaseDetail.aspx?txt=sumner&ps=50&m=name&s=4&caseid=1029514

closed case: charged with disorderly conduct/affray
http://benchmark.clerkofcourts.cc/CaseDetail.aspx?txt=sumner&ps=50&m=name&s=4&caseid=762459

LOTS of traffic tickets

go here http://www.clerkofcourts.cc/court/courtsearch.htm and enter his name: Gary Sumner -- too many to type or link just for traffic stuff.

Also, he got sued by Citifinancial for over $10,000 and had his wages garnished.

It appears Okaloosa County doesn't have a jail/inmate page to look at

and from http://www.sheriff-okaloosa.org/offense/#today is Okaloosa County Sheriff's Office offense/public info page...very unorganized, even when clicking "today"

I think your a natural born sleuther:clap:

Wow you sure have been busy and thank you for the links to all those newspapers and news channels from the area.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I think what I found his HUGE.
I'm trying to figure out how to do it!


Okay so if you go to one of Patrick Gonzalez myspace pages
there are two pictures. One of "the people who have my daughter"
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=468734116&albumID=667285&imageID=3181242
and "at least I know they are feeding her"
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=468734116&albumID=667285&imageID=6382321
I believe the guy with gray hair is Melanie Billings dad.
She has a picture of him on her myspace.
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=70047361&albumID=2592095&imageID=42364046
Also in the picture of the "at least I know they are feeding her"
The older lady in the picture looks like the same lady in Melanie Billings
slide show picture #11 "Ash, granny and pop"
And does the man in the picture "at least I know they are feeding her"
look like a younger Bud Billings?

.... or am I crazy?

I think maybe this can connect Patrice Jr to the Billings.

 

[harleysnana]

Here are the pictures.
Melanie Billings Dad from her myspace

and "pops" from the video on her myspace

Picture from Patrick's myspace of the
"people who have my daughter"

And "at least I know they are feeding her"
from his myspace

and then here is "Ash, Granny and Pops"
from the video on Melanie Billings myspace

Hope this works!

Okay so does the man with gray hair and the "granny" look the same as in
his pictures?
And is that a younger Bud?

Thanks Reannan!

 

[JustMe42]

Here are the pictures.
Melanie Billings Dad from her myspace
View attachment 4322
and "pops" from the video on her myspace
View attachment 4323
Picture from Patrick's myspace of the
"people who have my daughter"
View attachment 4324
And "at least I know they are feeding her"
from his myspace
View attachment 4325
and then here is "Ash, Granny and Pops"
from the video on Melanie Billings myspace
View attachment 4326
Hope this works!

Okay so does the man with gray hair and the "granny" look the same as in
his pictures?
And is that a younger Bud?

Wouldnt let me view them. Sleepyyyyy

 

[Reannan]

Good catch, Harleysnana! Here is a collage of three of the pictures:

 

[harleysnana]

Wouldnt let me view them. Did you also look at the one on his myspace where he says, these are the people that have her, and he offers a reward??

Do you have the link to it?
TIA

 

[FromFL]

Here are the pictures.
...
Hope this works!

Okay so does the man with gray hair and the "granny" look the same as in
his pictures?
And is that a younger Bud?

Thanks Reannan!

I'm looking now on my computer to see what I think...

 

[mikeysmommom]

Here are the pictures.
Melanie Billings Dad from her myspace
View attachment 4322
and "pops" from the video on her myspace
View attachment 4323
Picture from Patrick's myspace of the
"people who have my daughter"
View attachment 4324
And "at least I know they are feeding her"
from his myspace
View attachment 4325
and then here is "Ash, Granny and Pops"
from the video on Melanie Billings myspace
View attachment 4326
Hope this works!

Okay so does the man with gray hair and the "granny" look the same as in
his pictures?
And is that a younger Bud?

Thanks Reannan!

YES YES AND YES and it was good to see the pics bigger AWESOME:clap::clap:

 

[cleo612]

Sheriff Morgan will be on FOX News at 8am ET to discuss the case.

 

[tapu]

I think rage had to be a part of this as well, and it blows my mind that there were possibly 7 other participants! How did the mastermind convince 6 or 7 other people to go along with this, and did they all know it would end in the murder of two beautiful parents whose children needed them? I wonder if he tried to unsuccessfully recruit others in the crime and if those people will come forward and talk?

Nice thinking there! You bring up a couple of things for me:
1. I'd place the rage on that maniac Patrick with the facebook pages about his daughter. I think I did read somewhere that he may have been the "mastermind."
2. Your idea that the other participants may not have realized it was going to be murder leads me to speculate that it may be why they were in and out so quickly--the others thought "robbery," got in there and the raging maniac killed them, so everyone cleared out immediately, robbery forgotten. Perhaps the killing was Patrick's main motive really, too, and so he was ready to leave as soon as he'd performed his despicable act.
3. That last sentence of yours definitely has merit! He didn't get the first half dozen people he talked to to sign on.

Thanks, gypsy, for getting me thinking, too!

 

[harleysnana]

YES YES AND YES and it was good to see the pics bigger AWESOME:clap::clap:

Is it possible that "Ash" is his ex wife?
I'm off to bed ... can't wait to see what other think in the morning!

 

[mikeysmommom]

Harley you found the connection to Patrick JR and SR. Now I wonder what the real story is.This makes me think maybe Patrick did not know Bella mom was going to give her up for adoption , maybe when he was away.Now if the Billings adopted her I wonder if she is one of their children that passed by the time Patrick found out who had her.Just slap me if I am losing it lol been up all night and spent alot of hours on my computer.

Donna

 

[Reannan]

Here is the picture from LPG Jr.'s MySpace site with Melanie Billings picture of "Ash, Granny, and Pops". I say this totally links LPG Junior with people close to the Billings family. Whether real or not, I believe he thought M Billings parents were somehow assoicated with his perceived abduction of his daughter Bella.

 

[tapu]

wow wow wow--the legal debt lady and the family photos with melanie's dad and bud (possibly). You guys are spooking me! I'd place bets on either one or both of those things leading to motive.

 

[FromFL]

The 3 pix with the gray haired men in them do all look similar. I'm trying to clean up and sharpen the pic from "at least I know they are feeding her."

the Ya Ya's for Ta Ta's is a slogan used for Breast Cancer awareness. And the 2nd line in red below "Ta Ta's" looks like it ends in "Tampa FL" I could be wrong, but that was my initial thought when I saw the picture.

Being as it is a smaller file with lower resolution, blowing it up only makes it more pixelated.

If we could figure out what/when/where that picture was actually taken, it might confirm or at least still make the connection above plausible. (yes, I watch a lot of mythbusters )

 

[mikeysmommom]

wow wow wow--the legal debt lady and the family photos with melanie's dad and bud (possibly). You guys are spooking me! I'd place bets on either one or both of those things leading to motive.

I believe both are motives and then for the extra guys it was the money that they probably were told was in the house.