GUILTY CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, deceased/not found, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #68

[DeDee]

In what situation do murderers separate a body from bloody clothing, rags, etc. and dispose of them in different places? If they had a really "secure" secret place, why wouldn't all the disposal be done in one place?

I want to know this answer. Why did they cut Jennifer's bra and shirt down the center? There's a reason and I pray it wasn't a form of torture. Why did she have to be separate from her clothes? What does that tell us about the killers?

We know the red Tacoma held Jennifer, even if not all of the cleaning stuff from the garage, because the passenger's seat tested positive for Jen. LE showed MT the luminol results of the Tacoma's interior. She said: Jennifer's blood.

We're missing data. I don't know how her body transferred from the black Suburban into the Tacoma but maybe it was when the cctv fortunately showed the Tacoma parked v near Jen's abandoned Suburban but where did it go from there?

There was something white was in the bed of the truck along with the bicycle seen when passing rest areas cctv - he could fold her using zipties into an ice chest, or used the part from the back of the Suburban later discarded on Albany or a large sheet of thick plastic. Where is Jennifer? It's the million dollar question.

 

[Mimi in London]

I want to know this answer. Why did they cut Jennifer's bra and shirt down the center? There's a reason and I pray it wasn't a form of torture. Why did she have to be separate from her clothes? What does that tell us about the killers?

We know the red Tacoma held Jennifer, even if not all of the cleaning stuff from the garage, because the passenger's seat tested positive for Jen. LE showed MT the luminol results of the Tacoma's interior. She said: Jennifer's blood.

We're missing data. I don't know how her body transferred from the black Suburban into the Tacoma but maybe it was when the cctv fortunately showed the Tacoma parked v near Jen's abandoned Suburban but where did it go from there?

There was something white was in the bed of the truck along with the bicycle seen when passing rest areas cctv - he could fold her using zipties into an ice chest, or used the part from the back of the Suburban later discarded on Albany or a large sheet of thick plastic. Where is Jennifer? It's the million dollar question.

I can't get over the thought that they may have defiled her. The cut clothing fits with this. I don't think, however, that they dismembered her.

FD made a slip when he gave the tv interview (remember, when he was sitting on a bar stool in the kitchen at 4JX?). He used 'it' to refer to J and it wasn't, imo, a linguistic error, as he had no problem using English pronouns (she/her, them/their etc) appropriately in other contexts. In this context, he smirked while saying, "If it" (corrects himself) " If SHE shows up .." Was he referring to her body when he said, "it"? Very likely imo.

 

[Megnut]

I want to know this answer. Why did they cut Jennifer's bra and shirt down the center? There's a reason and I pray it wasn't a form of torture. Why did she have to be separate from her clothes? What does that tell us about the killers?

We know the red Tacoma held Jennifer, even if not all of the cleaning stuff from the garage, because the passenger's seat tested positive for Jen. LE showed MT the luminol results of the Tacoma's interior. She said: Jennifer's blood.

We're missing data. I don't know how her body transferred from the black Suburban into the Tacoma but maybe it was when the cctv fortunately showed the Tacoma parked v near Jen's abandoned Suburban but where did it go from there?

There was something white was in the bed of the truck along with the bicycle seen when passing rest areas cctv - he could fold her using zipties into an ice chest, or used the part from the back of the Suburban later discarded on Albany or a large sheet of thick plastic. Where is Jennifer? It's the million dollar question.

Rbbm

Patagonian rug?

 

[Megnut]

Quick check of Connecticut Department of Corrections confirms that Inmate #433612 remains right where she belongs. Let's hope everyone close to her leaves her that way.

 

[AbbyG]

I can't get over the thought that they may have defiled her. The cut clothing fits with this. I don't think, however, that they dismembered her.

FD made a slip when he gave the tv interview (remember, when he was sitting on a bar stool in the kitchen at 4JX?). He used 'it' to refer to J and it wasn't, imo, a linguistic error, as he had no problem using English pronouns (she/her, them/their etc) appropriately in other contexts. In this context, he smirked while saying, "If it" (corrects himself) " If SHE shows up .." Was he referring to her body when he said, "it"? Very likely imo.

I hate to think about it but I remember from long ago posts regarding possibilities of how FD got rid of body. And without clothing it would be far easier to do things that would dissolve or hide a body. And not have to find clothing, inorganic material that would immediately point to an identity.

 

[afitzy]

Imo NBC and the Troconis Crew have reached a new low in their coverage of the murder of JF.

They are now it appears taking the footage from the other day from Papi Troconis saying the ONLY thing MT did wrong was falling in love with the wrong man and spinning it into a segment on DV.

New news is they reached out to Schoenhorn and he said a short term bail package is unlikely.

<modsnip>

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I want to know this answer. Why did they cut Jennifer's bra and shirt down the center? There's a reason and I pray it wasn't a form of torture. Why did she have to be separate from her clothes? What does that tell us about the killers?

We know the red Tacoma held Jennifer, even if not all of the cleaning stuff from the garage, because the passenger's seat tested positive for Jen. LE showed MT the luminol results of the Tacoma's interior. She said: Jennifer's blood.

We're missing data. I don't know how her body transferred from the black Suburban into the Tacoma but maybe it was when the cctv fortunately showed the Tacoma parked v near Jen's abandoned Suburban but where did it go from there?

There was something white was in the bed of the truck along with the bicycle seen when passing rest areas cctv - he could fold her using zipties into an ice chest, or used the part from the back of the Suburban later discarded on Albany or a large sheet of thick plastic. Where is Jennifer? It's the million dollar question.

Some thoughts we hypothesized during trial. Sorry it’s a lot of possibilities I’m sure others have thought too. Impossible to conjure a full plan, because clearly some things went very right, and some very wrong.

Our thought was his original plan was gone girl. No blood Kidnap from garage, use her phone to send messages, set up the she was unstable & she ran away with some messages to stall any call to police. This would give them time to clean, alibi and pull themselves together. Once FD had the kids (Saturday), they would be a shield for him.
(The 67 questions were to fish for info about what kind of messages/behavior to include in JF phone messages. They needed her alive to unlock phone and send messages to family & friends.)
There was a plan that went wrong. There was kidnap, send messages & then kill a location and then dump location. FD would be finished before lunch.

To transport JF and move to another vehicle
-large fold up duffle / waterproof water sport/scuba bag can be large, fold small enough and waterproof and sturdy.

1. FD might have had a backpack on bicycle (more likely)
2. FD might have planted some items in woods next to JF house earlier

Cutting - why large volume blood on ponchos
To make JF smaller/lighter/more compact - drain blood, not dismember. He was trying to get her into a particular space*. And/Or, if dumped in water, the cutting was to prevent gas build up and float ?

Can conclude that he passed his parcel on to another person in a remote / private location. Either he knew this place from his “developer” travels, or KM knew it from his being “lawyer of bad people” or maybe property of a KM client was deceased.

A. Passed it to 3rd party specialist in disposals.
If didn’t pass to 3rd party-
B. Hid at a property as mentioned above. An *old well, old mine shaft, or septic.
C. Dumped in water somewhere

Why the clothing an other items were retained. maybe thought they would break apart a float be found, where biological material consumed by nature. A mistake maybe?

Blood on Tacoma passenger seat - an accomplice, or transfer from his gloves when he was getting an item from cab?

Can only imagine what the toxic threesome planned based on their life experience of movies, books, criminals and google searches on some long gone burner device used in far away locations.
The lack of dna on ponchos and other items really baffling. Did they have full ppe suits?

 

[Megnut]

Imo NBC and the Troconis Crew have reached a new low in their coverage of the murder of JF.

They are now it appears taking the footage from the other day from Papi Troconis saying the ONLY thing MT did wrong was falling in love with the wrong man and spinning it into a segment on DV.

New news is they reached out to Schoenhorn and he said a short term bail package is unlikely.

<modsnip>

They couldn't find some actual victims of DV to speak? Her only mistake was falling in love with the wrong man at the wrong time? Really? Not a mistake to cover for him while he resolved his divorce/custody with lethal means? Not a mistake to tamper with evidence, hinder the investigation? Lie to police? Continue lying? Lie even after FD died? That feels like a lot of mistakes to me. Personal liability even. Didn't she say in one interview that she hated him, for using her? And then continued lying? Beige nothing, she's her own version of the black widow.

JMO

 

[afitzy]

Some thoughts we hypothesized during trial. Sorry it’s a lot of possibilities I’m sure others have thought too. Impossible to conjure a full plan, because clearly some things went very right, and some very wrong.

Our thought was his original plan was gone girl. No blood Kidnap from garage, use her phone to send messages, set up the she was unstable & she ran away with some messages to stall any call to police. This would give them time to clean, alibi and pull themselves together. Once FD had the kids (Saturday), they would be a shield for him.
(The 67 questions were to fish for info about what kind of messages/behavior to include in JF phone messages. They needed her alive to unlock phone and send messages to family & friends.)
There was a plan that went wrong. There was kidnap, send messages & then kill a location and then dump location. FD would be finished before lunch.

To transport JF and move to another vehicle
-large fold up duffle / waterproof water sport/scuba bag can be large, fold small enough and waterproof and sturdy.

1. FD might have had a backpack on bicycle (more likely)
2. FD might have planted some items in woods next to JF house earlier

Cutting - why large volume blood on ponchos
To make JF smaller/lighter/more compact - drain blood, not dismember. He was trying to get her into a particular space*. And/Or, if dumped in water, the cutting was to prevent gas build up and float ?

Can conclude that he passed his parcel on to another person in a remote / private location. Either he knew this place from his “developer” travels, or KM knew it from his being “lawyer of bad people” or maybe property of a KM client was deceased.

A. Passed it to 3rd party specialist in disposals.
If didn’t pass to 3rd party-
B. Hid at a property as mentioned above. An *old well, old mine shaft, or septic.
C. Dumped in water somewhere

Why the clothing an other items were retained. maybe thought they would break apart a float be found, where biological material consumed by nature. A mistake maybe?

Blood on Tacoma passenger seat - an accomplice, or transfer from his gloves when he was getting an item from cab?

Can only imagine what the toxic threesome planned based on their life experience of movies, books, criminals and google searches on some long gone burner device used in far away locations.
The lack of dna on ponchos and other items really baffling. Did they have full ppe suits?

Have been looking at products that destroy dna and are used for cleanup as the limited forensics in the case presented at trial baffled me.

A simple bleach spray solution could have acted as a dna eraser but there are commercial products used in hospitals and in vet offices that accomplish the same task.

I do believe that all the bags and contents were sprayed before disposal, vehicles washed down with the solution, fireplaces and drains at both houses etc. Multiple layers of gloves and PPE could have also limited spread of the conspirators dna too as others have mentioned.

Moo

 

[Megnut]

Some thoughts we hypothesized during trial. Sorry it’s a lot of possibilities I’m sure others have thought too. Impossible to conjure a full plan, because clearly some things went very right, and some very wrong.

Our thought was his original plan was gone girl. No blood Kidnap from garage, use her phone to send messages, set up the she was unstable & she ran away with some messages to stall any call to police. This would give them time to clean, alibi and pull themselves together. Once FD had the kids (Saturday), they would be a shield for him.
(The 67 questions were to fish for info about what kind of messages/behavior to include in JF phone messages. They needed her alive to unlock phone and send messages to family & friends.)
There was a plan that went wrong. There was kidnap, send messages & then kill a location and then dump location. FD would be finished before lunch.

To transport JF and move to another vehicle
-large fold up duffle / waterproof water sport/scuba bag can be large, fold small enough and waterproof and sturdy.

1. FD might have had a backpack on bicycle (more likely)
2. FD might have planted some items in woods next to JF house earlier

Cutting - why large volume blood on ponchos
To make JF smaller/lighter/more compact - drain blood, not dismember. He was trying to get her into a particular space*. And/Or, if dumped in water, the cutting was to prevent gas build up and float ?

Can conclude that he passed his parcel on to another person in a remote / private location. Either he knew this place from his “developer” travels, or KM knew it from his being “lawyer of bad people” or maybe property of a KM client was deceased.

A. Passed it to 3rd party specialist in disposals.
If didn’t pass to 3rd party-
B. Hid at a property as mentioned above. An *old well, old mine shaft, or septic.
C. Dumped in water somewhere

Why the clothing an other items were retained. maybe thought they would break apart a float be found, where biological material consumed by nature. A mistake maybe?

Blood on Tacoma passenger seat - an accomplice, or transfer from his gloves when he was getting an item from cab?

Can only imagine what the toxic threesome planned based on their life experience of movies, books, criminals and google searches on some long gone burner device used in far away locations.
The lack of dna on ponchos and other items really baffling. Did they have full ppe suits?

If he had successfully removed her from Welles without injury, there would've been no blood in the garage, none on WeatherTeks, none in the Tacoma.

It is IMO a huge clue that FD set up his alibi phone call for the exact time he'd be in the garage. Doh. And a huge clue that Inmate #433612 prepared her Tour de Alibi for the morning only. Braintrusts drew a big red circle around their plan.

By noon, they expected to be free and clear.

JFd paid the ultimate price, but her fight to the death implicated her murderer and ultimately his co-conspirators -- and saved her children.

 

[afitzy]

Trial summary done by wfsb by day is a helpful reference tool:

TROCONIS TRIAL: A complete timeline of the proceedings

A trial for one of the suspects arrested in connection with the disappearance and death of a mother from New Canaan ended on March 1.

www.wfsb.com

 

[afitzy]

Troconis Remains In Custody, As Mawhinney's Lawyer Issues Statement

Michelle Troconis was convicted of conspiracy to commit murder and other charges last week in the death of Jennifer Farber Dulos.

patch.com

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Have been looking at products that destroy dna and are used for cleanup as the limited forensics in the case presented at trial baffled me.

A simple bleach spray solution could have acted as a dna eraser but there are commercial products used in hospitals and in vet offices that accomplish the same task.

I do believe that all the bags and contents were sprayed before disposal, vehicles washed down with the solution, fireplaces and drains at both houses etc. Multiple layers of gloves and PPE could have also limited spread of the conspirators dna too as others have mentioned.

Moo

We looked at this, specially the Clorox All Purpose with Bleach that MT mentioned. We googled and while it does destroy dna, it leaves residues and odor if not ventilated. Maybe forensics they were not testing for bleach. We thought Isopropol alcohol ? Thinking of what builders use - methylated spirit, turpentine? Medical cleansers, yes that’s a good idea.
also thought FD poison ivy was actual contact dermatitis from washing self with bleach or whatever they were using.
Really these idiots should have started a dumpster fire with all these items soaked in gasoline. But they hadn’t written that down in their plan!

 

[SkylarSid]

IDK, there was the incident that LA mentioned about JF telling her FD tried to run her over but iirc that wasn't reported to police.

My belief is that the Family Court and FD financial situation in April/May 2019 was such that FD was out of options in his mind to survive. If, as many now suspect, that MT was putting extreme pressure on FD to resolve the custody and divorce situation that might have been the tipping point. I'm not sure whether MT had any long term value to FD really so I always chose to look at his decision to murder JF as solely for his own reasons of money, anger and revenge etc. FD needed MT as an accomplice in the short run imo, so to me it made sense to wrap her into the divorce drama and make her feel involved and relevant to feed her need to control and narcissistic tendencies imo. But, given the speed at which MT was replaced by FD, I firmly believe she was simply another well used accomplice tool in his plan and in the mind of FD was irrelevant.

Its fascinating imo to see narcs use words like 'love' and 'caring' in their word salads to manipulate their listening audience to believe them. Just listening to the Missing Our Missing english translation of the Greek Proto Thema article has me laughing at the FD claim to 'love' MT. I didn't recall that comment about MT and in hindsight it is almost comical as iirc that was the period when the two were separated by the Court and supposedly not to be meeting (this was found to not be true as the couple were hooking up as we found out in one of the MT LE interviews later). FD was effectively using Proto Thema article to proclaim his 'love' for MT. He was simply a typical mid range narc who sought to control all those around him and everything in his life imo.

MOO

Maybe he said he loved her as a code meaning, “let’s keep our secrets safe.” Narcs learn quickly how to say what they think they are supposed to say. Since they don’t have feelings of love for others (remember the others are only extensions of the narc) they observe others in order to be able to mimic feelings that they do not possess.

 

[ajksmom]

Imo NBC and the Troconis Crew have reached a new low in their coverage of the murder of JF.

They are now it appears taking the footage from the other day from Papi Troconis saying the ONLY thing MT did wrong was falling in love with the wrong man and spinning it into a segment on DV.

New news is they reached out to Schoenhorn and he said a short term bail package is unlikely.

<modsnip>

Hope you don’t mind me using your post for a different intent.
Someone in the T clan has finally got it into their thick skull that their previous version(s) of victim shaming/blaming would no longer be tolerated.
Whether they finally listened to JS, any new attorneys or PR people all along WE here knew their “script” was bs. I don’t have any type of SM but what I’ve seen here referenced is appalling. Their news conference after the verdict was disgusting. So why would they suddenly decide to change it up?
https://www.cga.ct.gov/current/pub/chap_961.htm#sec_54-91a
Specifically Sec. 54-91a

Pre-sentence Investigation Report and Interview
Before sentencing a PSI will be developed about MT. And the judge will use those contents in part to sentence MT. Due to her likely appeal she can’t/won’t take any responsibility for her actions. Her family may or may not be contacted as part of this process. If they are they must give something other than “she didn’t kill Jennifer”. Their script has changed and they now will move forward with “wrong man, wrong time, wrong place”. They think it’ll help. I think it’s a day late and a dollar short. And I’m finally going to remember to MOO.

 

[Megnut]

Maybe he said he loved her as a code meaning, “let’s keep our secrets safe.” Narcs learn quickly how to say what they think they are supposed to say. Since they don’t have feelings of love for others (remember the others are only extensions of the narc) they observe others in order to be able to mimic feelings that they do not possess.

I had the same reaction.

I think we can disspell the notion he loved anything (more than winning, more than himself), but if we substitute 'I still have use for you', it might align better. Like a big pinky swear. With his eyes, as had been observed once already by LE, saying "stay with me, don't do anything stupid, don't say anything stupid, follow the script, it'll blow over, you'll see". She was probably well aware he was using Michelle 2.0 for her money.

That kiss to the photo sealed it for me. She was playing the long game.

Maybe she can meet up with him on The Other Side. Perfect ending for a match made in hell.

JMO

 

[AbbyG]

A question about those two ponchos - I know no DNA was found, but did they look dirty/worn? One thought is that they were not intended to be worn during clean-up but for a plan that went awry - e.g. to be worn if they had managed to kidnap JFd and FD and KM had planned to murder her with that gun; the ponchos in that case could have been an idea to protect against blood splatter from shooting. But we'll never know and I guess it does not matter, a beautiful soul, a mother a daughter a friend a creative artist who had many more stories to tell in her beautiful words, is gone all because she unwittingly married a brutal and vindictive and raging, greedy, controlling man who hooked up with an equally conniving and vindictive paramour.

 

[AbbyG]

I had the same reaction.

I think we can disspell the notion he loved anything (more than winning, more than himself), but if we substitute 'I still have use for you', it might align better. Like a big pinky swear. With his eyes, as had been observed once already by LE, saying "stay with me, don't do anything stupid, don't say anything stupid, follow the script, it'll blow over, you'll see". She was probably well aware he was using Michelle 2.0 for her money.

That kiss to the photo sealed it for me. She was playing the long game.

Maybe she can meet up with him on The Other Side. Perfect ending for a match made in hell.

JMO

I asked before sorry if I missed a reply, is it certain the photo she kissed was of FD and not of her daughter? I tend to think the latter because she really was not entirely alone and I don't think she would be kidding FD at that point - is there anyway way to zoom in? If it really had been FD, wouldn't that have been mentioned by the officer in the room at trial?

 

[Seattle1]

dbm

 

[citygirl]

I asked before sorry if I missed a reply, is it certain the photo she kissed was of FD and not of her daughter? I tend to think the latter because she really was not entirely alone and I don't think she would be kidding FD at that point - is there anyway way to zoom in? If it really had been FD, wouldn't that have been mentioned by the officer in the room at trial?

I wondered too, but she was still able to see her daughter.