Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 #12 *ARRESTS*

[Kapua]

Love "one hollow bunny". What a great description, spaz!

I know! I am going to steal that one!

 

[sleuth66]

Yes, strange analogy from Pattis.

Not that strange, NP is in this for his own psychoanalysis (see NC Advertiser interview posted here a while back- NP states he's in psychoanalysis 4 days a week and using this case to work through unresolved childhood trauma). The "Rorschach" reference reinforces that NPs representation of FD is about NP working out his own subconscious issues.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I just reported my earlier post and asked that it be deleted as I am unable to do so personally and based on your feedback. Thanks again and I apologize for my insensitivity and thank you for your accurate, relevant, and constructive feedback @AbbyG !

I really didn’t feel that way about it because I know that heart and concern are expressed in different ways and all seemed to me to be about standing up for JD, who herself was a writer and would, MOO, understand how writers and others process things. I did, however, reflect on my own posts and reported one of mine, where I shared information from my experience, to be deleted. I didn’t intend it to be about me, which is why I hesitated in the first place, but, of course, “perceptions are (can be) reality.” Take care!

 

[Kapua]

An innocent man wouldn’t need to go on TV to try and convince people of his innocence. He’d be confident in the fact that the truth would set him free. IMO

IMHO, an innocent man wouldn't have been driving all over Hartford dumping garbage bags of bloody evidence in other people's dumpsters. An innocent man also would not have stashed altered license plates in a storm drain. Actually, an innocent man wouldn't even have altered license plates, because he would have no need of them.

 

[MemPat]

I read his statement less as a message to MT and more as an utter inability to declare, clearly and confidently, "I did not kill Jennifer or have anything at all to do with her disappearance." Nope, instead he said "I know what I've done" -- subtext: I know I killed my wife, but she gave me no choice, it was justified, I had a right to do it, I know I am still a good person and not a monster in my own narcissistic, entitled, psychopathic, rotten mind. Then he adds "I know what I haven't done" because he realized he was kind of saying -- "I know what I've done, I killed her, yeah so what it was my right and she pushed me to the brink." He is a cold-hearted killer. How dare he say he wants to tell his kids this is all going to be all right eventually. In his sick mind, it's just fine that he took away their beloved mommy and tore holes in their hearts FOREVER. All IMO, MOO.

Abby, thank you for pointing out one of FD's "leaking marbles" from a Statement Analysis point of view.

SA training tells us to look for admissions of guilt that will spill out in conversation, such as, "I'm sorry."

You emphasized FD's confession, "I know what I've done."

LE folks take courses in Statement Analysis and I guarantee they didn't miss this little gem.

Keep talking, FD! Get it all out and you'll feel much better.

 

[enelram]

An innocent man wouldn’t need to go on TV to try and convince people of his innocence. He’d be confident in the fact that the truth would set him free. IMO

Also an Innocent man would TALK to LE in the hopes it would help them solve the crime and find the real perp. Not put up a lawyer barrier and say 'no comment'.

 

[Kapua]

Why search bodies of water? Because as you said, his wife COULD BE in pieces. She also could NOT be in pieces. Clearly, she has not been found yet, so why would you exclude large areas of searches based solely on what COULD be? Also, she could be in pieces and still be in water. I want JD to be found, and hope, and believe, that LE will leave no stone unturned in their efforts to that end. JMO

The thing about putting the body in water is that it is harder for cadaver dogs to detect. However, I think the scanners they use to detect large objects (such as a body) underwater have improved a lot since they searched SF Bay for the bodies of Laci and Conner Peterson. LE in this case seems determined. I hope they find JD.

 

[sleuth66]

Yes I've been preaching this and what's scarey is in some cases all
DNA is totally gone so even if they find a body there is no way to track it's identity. Wouldn't this be sad?

He'd have to be really savvy and have a lot of very corrosive and reactive chemicals in order for all DNA to be totally gone in just this short time, which would be really risky- stuff like sulfuric acid and hydrochloric acid of this strength would give him serious mucus membrane damage just breathing around it, plus would be hard for him to get his hands on in that volume.

If you read the article that is cited here, they have a huge, specialized machine that circulates water rapidly, heats it to 200-300 degrees F, etc. in order to hydrolyze all the DNA. FD definitely does not have access to this. If he's stupid and sloppy enough to leave blood traces in her garage and ditch her bags with bloody clothes and sponges in public locations, no way is he going to be able to get rid of all DNA evidence, if they can find her remains they will definitely be able to use DNA to ID that it is her. (Not that he might not try it on a smaller scale).

(professional opinion from someone very knowledgeable and certified in DNA detection).

 

[MemPat]

I really didn’t feel that way about it because I know that heart and concern are expressed in different ways and all seemed to me to be about standing up for JD, who herself was a writer and would, MOO, understand how writers and others process things. I did, however, reflect on my own posts and reported one of mine, where I shared information from my experience, to be deleted. I didn’t intend it to be about me, which is why I hesitated in the first place, but, of course, “perceptions are (can be) reality.” Take care!

If all we found on WS were cut-and-dried observations about the crimes discussed, most of us would seek another forum.

The personal stories as well as the humor add to the experience and make us think from another's point of view.

I would be surprised if professional detectives didn't take into account their own personal journeys as they attempt to understand perps and I expect they find a great deal of humor in the cases they work.

Please don't censor yourselves. The mods can sweep through and do that if personal stories take over the thread.

 

[citygirl]

@MrFixit They are searching the West Hartford reservoir!

He's got some splainin' to do.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

If all we found on WS were cut-and-dried observations about the crimes discussed, most of us would seek another forum.

The personal stories as well as the humor add to the experience and make us think.

I would be surprised if professional detectives didn't take into account their own personal journeys as they attempt to understand perps and I expect they find a great deal of humor in the cases they work.

Please don't censor yourselves. The mods can sweep through and do that if personal stories take over the thread.

That is very kind and I hope it makes others feel better as well. Thank you!

 

[citygirl]

Thank goodness!!! Are they there now?

Is reservoir #3 the largest part on Avon Mountain?

 

[afitzy]

@MrFixit They are searching the West Hartford reservoir!

From @MrFixit mouth to LE Dive team ear! So glad to hear they are in the water today as this location makes so much sense given its proximity to 4JC.

 

[MemPat]

He'd have to be really savvy and have a lot of very corrosive and reactive chemicals in order for all DNA to be totally gone in just this short time, which would be really risky- stuff like sulfuric acid and hydrochloric acid of this strength would give him serious mucus membrane damage just breathing around it, plus would be hard for him to get his hands on in that volume.

If you read the article that is cited here, they have a huge, specialized machine that circulates water rapidly, heats it to 200-300 degrees F, etc. in order to hydrolyze all the DNA. FD definitely does not have access to this. If he's stupid and sloppy enough to leave blood traces in her garage and ditch her bags with bloody clothes and sponges in public locations, no way is he going to be able to get rid of all DNA evidence, if they can find her remains they will definitely be able to use DNA to ID that it is her. (Not that he might not try it on a smaller scale).

(professional opinion from someone very knowledgeable and certified in DNA detection).

Unless I missed something they do have Jennifer's DNA, enough of it to know a crime was committed supported by evidence in the bags that FD tried to hide.

I think of finding her body as a bonus for the case but mostly as some sort of closure (if there is such a thing) for Jennifer's family.

It's hard for me to believe that FD didn't tell MT he had killed Jennifer as he probably needed some help and reassurance from her as he came down off his adrenaline high.

I would bet my velvet blazer LE has Jennifer's play by play of that conversation on the video recorded at the attorney's office.

 

[citygirl]

I took a break because of work and stress, but I just saw the reservoir news notification. This is the same area LE was at the night before they talked to MT for three hours.

Is it the same? I think that was the one on Farmington Ave leading to West Hartford. I'm thinking this search is the one on the mountain. It's been a long time so I could be wrong. MOO.

 

[Rosiebones]

How Search-and-rescue Dogs Work
As this article says, some cadaver dogs are especially trained to pick up scent from bodies beneath the water. Another case on WS that I followed in Germany utilized this kind of cadaver dog to search for a girls and there were pictures of the dogs standing on the bow of a boat close to the water.
All that is moot though if the state police don't have over the water cadaver dogs or maybe that is what they were holding training exercises for.

 

[angelainwi]

If all we found on WS were cut-and-dried observations about the crimes discussed, most of us would seek another forum.

The personal stories as well as the humor add to the experience and make us think from another's point of view.

I would be surprised if professional detectives didn't take into account their own personal journeys as they attempt to understand perps and I expect they find a great deal of humor in the cases they work.

Please don't censor yourselves. The mods can sweep through and do that if personal stories take over the thread.

I could not agree more. I have been very much enjoying the flavor of this thread/case. The humor has been grounding and the personal experiences enlightening.

 

[afitzy]

I started wondered and did some fast Google research—not in-depth, scholarly literature review but something. I hope someone here will vouch for me if ever my search history is reviewed by some shocked person! Let me also say that I was shocked by what is out there, never having searched for this topic before now. My gosh.

This link is to an abstract from peer-reviewed scientific research. I can get to the entire article through an association I have with a library but can’t attach their pdf or paste the text here, of course. Since the abstract gives the bottom line and is to the article as written by a knowledgeable scientific researcher and then peer-reviewed, I feel good about it as a source.


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Abstract
“Dissolving bodies is a current method of disposing of human remains and has been practiced throughout the years. During the last decade in the Netherlands, two cases have emerged in which human remains were treated with acid. In the first case, the remains of a cremated body were treated with hydrofluoric acid. In the second case, two complete bodies were dissolved in a mixture of hydrochloric and sulfuric acid. In both cases, a great variety of evidence was collected at the scene of crime, part of which was embedded in resin, polished, and investigated using SEM/EDX. Apart from macroscopic findings like residual bone and artificial teeth, in both cases, distinct microscopic residues of bone were found as follows: (partly) digested bone, thin‐walled structures, and recrystallized calcium phosphate. Although some may believe it is possible to dissolve a body in acid completely, at least some of these microscopic residues will always be found.”

Journal of Forensic Sciences
Volume 60, Issue 3
Case Report
Microscopic Residues of Bone from Dissolving Human Remains in Acids†
Erwin Vermeij M.S.

Peter Zoon Ph.D.
Mayonne van Wijk M.S.

Reza Gerretsen M.D.
First published: 10 February 2015
https://doi.org/10.1111/1556-4029.12700

Presented at the 66th Annual Meeting of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, February 17‐22, 2014, in Seattle, WA.



I found this other link if you want detailed info and more:

What Happens When a Dead Body Is Dissolved in Lye?

Yes, its surprisingly easy to get an actual "recipe" based on body weight and the body would be dissolved in 6 hrs I believe w/o the use of heat and with heat I believe the timing could be as short as 3 hrs. I didn't think it useful to post actual link but its not as hard as one would think to do using very common chemicals.

 

[peace9274]

ITA @AbbyG!
Thank you for the feedback!
I just tried to return to the post and edit it to DBM it, but it won’t let me do this anymore. I will email a mod to request this.

It’s an unbelievably devastating situation — certainly not meaning to make light of any of the human costs here or anything at all like that.

The reality of how devastating this case and many others are is incalculably serious and not at all humorous. It is maddening in this context to see those we believe to be the responsible party showing most concern for their own suffering and trying to distract from their responsibility for other’s suffering, abuse, and a universe of grieving.

It’s for this very reason sometimes that humor can be helpful to communicate the absurdity of the false narratives predators and their enablers often peddle.

I am sorry if or that I crossed any lines in my post seeming to high five at a time when others are deeply grieving.

Sincerely I do want justice for Jennifer and her family. I am sorry if my response on that thread did not suggest or express this.

Thanks again !

I personally didn’t see anything wrong or inappropriate in your posts. As a psych nurse, after a death or a code involving an out-of-control patient, we had a briefing or a wrap up.

We were encouraged to express our feelings and make suggestions for next time. Often times, staff members would make humorous comments as a stress release.

We ALL knew the actual incident involved extreme sadness, anxiety, stress and other emotions. We were never told not to cry nor to laugh.

When someone makes a humorous comment re one of our cases here at WS, I don’t see it as being inappropriate. I see it as being part of his/her dealing with, sometimes his/her grieving process, the case being followed.

MOO

 

[Rosiebones]

DBM