Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #22

[MemPat]

I have a cousin who was dealing with a high-stakes financial divorce with a cheating husband and 4 children. She started to lose startling amounts of weight. Her response to me was" My weight is the only thing I can control. I can't control court proceedings or custody battles, but I can control my weight ' Just some psychological insight into how some people respond. These situations are all-consuming whether you are rich or poor.

My daughter went through a three year battle with a manipulating narcissist and her weight dipped frighteningly low because he worked at keeping her in such a dither she could hardly eat.

Anxiety like that makes some people eat too much and others the opposite.
The ones who gain weight are called fat by the monsters.

 

[citygirl]

That’s “Testa duro”-hardheaded

Yes. my father was first generation. He mispronounced it.
We somehow still got the message. LOL

 

[sleuth66]

I think FD accomplished the actual physical part of the murder (killing) on his own - and that he would want to.

It's not likely he'd have MT in there with her long hair - far too risky. He went out of his way to shave most of his own off.

It's possible MT did some of the driving and spotting for him (as a lookout, perhaps?). Or perhaps she waited somewhere along the way - at a dump site or something.

If he had help in the garage, he would have done a much better job of cleanup.

And, I keep wondering, if MT made or took any calls on FDs phone that he left home at 4JC that day. Pattis used to talk about a phonecall with Greece before the alibi scripts were found by LE, but then he shut up about it and never mentioned since.
If MT made or took those calls then that shows premeditation. FD likely left her behind to set up the alibi.
She might also have needed to take her daughter to school and if she usually did and then did not that day, that would also be a hint about her role.

 

[Alathea]

And, I keep wondering, if MT made or took any calls on FDs phone that he left home at 4JC that day. Pattis used to talk about a phonecall with Greece before the alibi scripts were found by LE, but then he shut up about it and never mentioned since.
If MT made or took those calls then that shows premeditation. FD likely left her behind to set up the alibi.
She might also have needed to take her daughter to school and if she usually did and then did not that day, that would also be a hint about her role.

True, and good point.

But we don't know if those calls truly exist. That's what NP is good at: throwing us off course to focus on non-existent details (tho, there might really have been calls which would indeed show premeditation!).

I think it likely she was part of the planning and was around for part of it - maybe not the actual killing, but much more than just the cleanup.

But I'll bet LE knows exactly what was what that day.

 

[MassGuy]

And, I keep wondering, if MT made or took any calls on FDs phone that he left home at 4JC that day. Pattis used to talk about a phonecall with Greece before the alibi scripts were found by LE, but then he shut up about it and never mentioned since.
If MT made or took those calls then that shows premeditation. FD likely left her behind to set up the alibi.
She might also have needed to take her daughter to school and if she usually did and then did not that day, that would also be a hint about her role.

Wow. I think there’s a reasonable chance you are right about that, and it would be very problematic for her.

If his phone was at home, and it showed any activity at all, then that would tell us a lot.

 

[oceancalling]

Caroline, I have a different take on that.
He says I WAS ENAMORED WITH HER.
That says to me that he was THEN taken in by her charms.
Past tense. He doesn't say I loved her nor does he say he loves her now.
IMO, he is done with her because she has now done him wrong.
Of course, this went down before the second AW. So I could be wrong.
I thought it was interesting that the pics he chose to sell to Dateline of MT were quite attractive. The pics we have seen thus far are far from that, IMO.
Also,interesting to note when he speaks of how is life was so good, he says nary a word about his children.

MOO.

He's hedging his bets. Bowman has done a great job of staying fairly tight-lipped, which is definitely causing the C Team major heartburn. It shows exactly how much of a liar FD is. He refuses to publicly say he loves her now, or even that he ever loved her, because he doesn't know the script! Is she his friend, his foe? Is she going to tell the State everything she knows?

He has no clue, nor does his attorney. They are 'dazed and confused.' The sheer panic emanating from the two of them was a palpable as the of sheen of sweat on both their faces during those interviews.

One reason I think MT will be a prosecution witness is because she isn't running to join FD in his protestations of innocence. Bowman could easily be spouting nonsense about how the state is unfairly targeting his client but he isn't. He knows better. IMO he is counseling MT that she would be a fool to tie her fortunes to those of a cold-blooded murderer. No defender is his or her right mind would want to see that for their client. MT's only path to potential redemption is clear.

As a person begins to understand their options in such situations, many issues remain to be resolved. For instance, to what offense will the State allow her to plead? For what potential sentence? Bowman is going to want the pled offense to carry the least amount of incarceration as possible for his client - that's his job. On the other hand, the State may want a plea to a certain offense with no specific amount of agreed upon incarceration. Such discussion require complete candor, something MT has not yet displayed, publicly at least.

FD is very aware that MT can be the nuclear bomb that blows his various and sundry defenses to kingdom come. Once MT testifies, "no he wasn't home when I woke up", "yes he left his phone at home (something he never does)","no, I cannot say where was for 5-6 hours on the 24th", "yes he took the Tacoma and when he returned it had blood in it." Let's not forget that she helped in the clean up at 80MS, took EE's keys to prevent him from taking his truck home over the weekend, the Alibi Scripts, the car wash and of course, the jaunt down Albany Avenue by the two sweethearts. Those are just the events we know about. Think about how much more there is.

MT is like a rattlesnake about to strike Dulos right between the eyes. He says he was enamored of her; now, he fears her. She is the most dangerous person in the world to him right now. I don't like MT, but she continues to have a choice. Do the right thing or suffer the consequences.

MT knows much more than she is saying and it is her moral obligation to say it. Mr. Pattis and I agree on one thing - the truth IS a powerful ally. Unfortunately for him it is not, and will never be, his client's ally. Time to truth up MT!

 

[MemPat]

I think FD accomplished the actual physical part of the murder (killing) on his own - and that he would want to.

It's not likely he'd have MT in there with her long hair - far too risky. He went out of his way to shave most of his own off.

It's possible MT did some of the driving and spotting for him (as a lookout, perhaps?). Or perhaps she waited somewhere along the way - at a dump site or something.

If he had help in the garage, he would have done a much better job of cleanup.

There are lots of people in jail for crimes where all they did was drive or serve as a look-out. Yes, even murder.

We know MT did far more than that!

I have a feeling those two couldn't have created a pristine crime scene if they'd had all day.....
a couple of stoned stoonads, if you ask me! (See what I did there?!)

 

[MemPat]

Brilliant!

We should have a bet as I think that once the infamous MT and FD 'alibi scripts' are published and admitted into evidence in their respective cases that your post will be virtually idential to what we will see on the pages the 2 co conspirators put together in their efforts to 'fool' LE!

I just wonder what else will be on the MT timeline and in her 'alibi scripts'!

MOO

I've got ten dollars on LittleBitty!

 

[oceancalling]

I have come to agree with you that MT is involved up to her eyeballs. At first I thought she was just a horrible person who looked the other way and seemed to feel no solidarity with this mother of her lovers' children, but it's clear it is more than that - she lies and lies and wants to plea the 5th because she can incriminate herself? Isn't that an admission of guilt, really? She cannot come clean because she conspired with her lover to murder. She should wise up and make a really plea deal and accept she will do some time.

Did she plead the 5th recently or are you referring to the pre-arrest time period? I do not think she has been been truthful in interviews with LE, but I do not recall her taking the 5th since she was released for jail and began talking to LE. I think the State still has some idea MT will be cooperating because she was allowed to turn herself in and FD was not. Her bond is also an indication that she is still viewed somewhat differently than FD.

 

[sleuth66]

88 lbs. Remember the teacher who said she
was "dangerously thin'.
I can believe this. Poor girl looked 20 yrs. older
in her last few photos.
She was horribly stressed and showing the effects of a divorce and custody case that had dragged on for 2 yrs. And who knows how long
FD had been doing his number on her at home.
We will never know how much she suffered.

Please, everyone, remember who is the source that said she weighed 88lbs. The same guy who said MT took and passed a polygraph. Who said that FD had a meeting with his lawyer at 4JC the morning of the 24th. Who said there was a phone call with Greece that morning and the person was coming over from Greece within a few days (back in June. Though I’m Secretly hoping this call did take place and MT took it).
NP didn’t even say he had any proof about her weight, just that she had “commented to friends and family” about 88 lbs. What friends and family are talking to NP?
Plus, NP needs to get some medical advice before he conjures this stuff up. No way is a 5’8 woman weighing 88 lbs at age 50 getting pregnant! That sounds like a story for the National Enquirer.
There’s other likely tests like FSH related to menopause, etc. but that wouldn’t distract from all the news about his client that’s come out in the last week would it.

 

[MemPat]

He's hedging his bets. Bowman has done a great job of staying fairly tight-lipped, which is definitely causing the C Team major heartburn. It shows exactly how much of a liar FD is. He refuses to publicly say he loves her now, or even that he ever loved her, because he doesn't know the script! Is she his friend, his foe? Is she going to tell the State everything she knows?

He has no clue, nor does his attorney. They are 'dazed and confused.' The sheer panic emanating from the two of them was a palpable as the of sheen of sweat on both their faces during those interviews.

One reason I think MT will be a prosecution witness is because she isn't running to join FD in his protestations of innocence. Bowman could easily be spouting nonsense about how the state is unfairly targeting his client but he isn't. He knows better. IMO he is counseling MT that she would be a fool to tie her fortunes to those of a cold-blooded murderer. No defender is his or her right mind would want to see that for their client. MT's only path to potential redemption is clear.

As a person begins to understand their options in such situations, many issues remain to be resolved. For instance, to what offense will the State allow her to plead? For what potential sentence? Bowman is going to want the pled offense to carry the least amount of incarceration as possible for his client - that's his job. On the other hand, the State may want a plea to a certain offense with no specific amount of agreed upon incarceration. Such discussion require complete candor, something MT has not yet displayed, publicly at least.

FD is very aware that MT can be the nuclear bomb that blows his various and sundry defenses to kingdom come. Once MT testifies, "no he wasn't home when I woke up", "yes he left his phone at home (something he never does)","no, I cannot say where was for 5-6 hours on the 24th", "yes he took the Tacoma and when he returned it had blood in it." Let's not forget that she helped in the clean up at 80MS, took EE's keys to prevent him from taking his truck home over the weekend, the Alibi Scripts, the car wash and of course, the jaunt down Albany Avenue by the two sweethearts. Those are just the events we know about. Think about how much more there is.

MT is like a rattlesnake about to strike Dulos right between the eyes. He says he was enamored of her; now, he fears her. She is the most dangerous person in the world to him right now. I don't like MT, but she continues to have a choice. Do the right thing or suffer the consequences.

MT knows much more than she is saying and it is her moral obligation to say it. Mr. Pattis and I agree on one thing - the truth IS a powerful ally. Unfortunately for him it is not, and will never be, his client's ally. Time to truth up MT!

I remember being excited when the media showed video equipment carried into LE's meeting with MT.

"Wow, they're going to videotape MT spilling her gut about FD and the crime!" said I.

Now I'm more excited because I think they were showing her the Bonnie and Clyde video (starring her!) along the roads of NC and Hartford and perhaps recording her reaction.
(I would so buy a ticket to see that!)

 

[afitzy]

I understand that. I'm just saying when this first went down the house was listed for $650,000 as is along with some property. It has since disappeared. I saw pics!

Yes, it was all quite confusing. Just a guess here but I think he instead wants to do one of his 'build to suit' projects on the property so he can make more money vs. selling just the land/property 'as is'. Reading the reviews that people posted about doing business with FORE on the 'build to suit' projects it sounds like he has the tendancy to use his very tightly worded building contract to simply "upcharge" or "add on fees" etc.

We will have to wait and see if FD/FORE can avoid bankruptcy or some court ordered liquidation of his assets. His realtor said the market conditions in Farmington for houses over $2.0 million is 'weak' I believe. So, nothing is happening to 585 DC anytime soon absent a quick cash deal as who in their right mind would step up and build a house with FORE now? I'm not sure any trade would even step up to work with FORE now? That would be interesting to see IMO!

MOO

 

[oceancalling]

Attorney for Fotis Dulos questions whether missing New Canaan woman Jennifer Farber Dulos was ill or may have been undergoing pregnancy testing
Attorney for Fotis Dulos questions whether missing New Canaan woman Jennifer Farber Dulos was ill or may have been undergoing pregnancy testing
Attorney for Fotis Dulos questions whether missing New Canaan woman Jennifer Farber Dulos was ill or may have been undergoing pregnancy testing

The attorney for Fotis Dulos in court filings Tuesday said he is seeking access to the medical records of Dulos’ missing wife and mother of his five children in an effort to determine whether she was undergoing pregnancy testing or suffers from a serious disease, disclosures that could bolster defense attorneys’ “Gone Girl” theory about her disappearance.

“In the year prior to her disappearance, Ms. Dulos had dramatically lost more than thirty pounds, and commented to friends and family that she had gone from 120 pounds to a mere 88,” attorney Norm Pattis said in a two-page motion filed in Stamford Superior Court late Tuesday afternoon.

Same old, same old. The guy is pathetic. It's called stress loss, you ponytailed fool, and it's caused when you are being abused by a malignant narcissist for 2 plus years! How many days did Jennifer live in fear that he husband, the father of her children would murder her? I would bet every single day since the day she left him. No wonder she lost weight.

 

[afitzy]

Did she plead the 5th recently or are you referring to the pre-arrest time period? I do not think she has been been truthful in interviews with LE, but I do not recall her taking the 5th since she was released for jail and began talking to LE. I think the State still has some idea MT will be cooperating because she was allowed to turn herself in and FD was not. Her bond is also an indication that she is still viewed somewhat differently than FD.

I believe where this 'taking the 5th' reference for MT is coming from is in the civil case where MT has been called to be deposed by GF atty. The motions filed by Atty Bowman (think there were 2) referenced his client right to a fifth amendment right etc. I think all these issues about the MT were resolved with the Civil Court and so we just have to wait on the portion of the MT appearance that needs to be resolved by Criminal Court.

MT so far as I know hasn't been deposed in the GF Civil case because there is an open issue I believe because FD wanted to be present at her deposition. This isn't presently doable because of the no contact order in place in Criminal Court.

Because of the no contact order I believe this issue has to be resolved in Criminal Court between Colangelo and No Case Norm and the Judge.

 

[MemPat]

I agree EXCEPT I think FD committed the actual physical part of the murder (in the garage, with a knife, or perhaps just his hands) by himself - and I think he wanted it that way.
Moo.

I don't think we have any way of knowing that but LE knows.

WS folks have done a great job of sleuthing this but we've had some lovely surprises in the Arrest Warrants.
(School buses?!)

Recent interviews with LE reveal that more bombshells (with a nod to Nancy Grace) are coming.

I'll make the popcorn!

 

[oceancalling]

BTW...What happened to her "lunch with a friend" that Pattis was promoting in June??

Another lie in a sea of lies. If you go back to all the BS he was spouting from the very beginning, it is clear FD has been lying to his lawyer from day one. I'll say it again, because it bears repeating, no experienced trial attorney would ever make this foolish, foolish mistake. He has this supposedly Dick Tracy investigator and he spills the beans about a potential defense before even figuring out whether the fantasy spun is even credible? Makes no sense. None at all.

NP may want to think about 'hiring' a new PR firm. (haha-not buying that any reputable outfit works with him!)

 

[MemPat]

What I see happening for NP/FD defense is this:
1. State declares JD as deceased by means of homicide. If the State puts forth in the public the AW for Murder Charges and there is no gag order in place, NP and FD will either concede that JD didn’t GG herself and disappear and move onto a mysterious third person(s) that murdered JD. OR NP will go straight to MSM and scoff and say there isn’t enough evidence to declare her dead and continue with GG theory.
2. State declares JD deceased by means of homicide/murder. Judge issues gag order and we don’t get to see AW for murder and NP must say nothing until trial.

As much as I do not wish to hear from NP I don’t want a gag order because then we won’t get to see the next AW(s) and discuss.

Also NP should keep in mind that he did not want the gag order and fought against it as he felt it would unduly harm his client so he has no one to blame for himself that we all get to read the latest AW for tampering. Same for MT. It’s not like Colangelo wanted to make this last AW public. He wanted it private. So NP can stop complaining the state is out to get FD. They actually were trying to keep this damning evidence out of the public discussion.

BBM

A #3 scenario just popped into my head:
The DA moves forward with a trial for FD and MT on the two tampering charges and the doofuses go to jail for....How long would it be?

Inmate FD pulls a Drew Peterson/Master Bob and tries to get a soon-to-be-released cellmate to murder EE (MT too if she manages to get probation on the Tampering).

Cellmate is wearing a wire, of course, and it's all over but the shoutin'!

 

[afitzy]

I remember being excited when the media showed video equipment being carried into the meeting MT had with LE.

"Wow, they're going to videotape MT spilling her gut about FD and the crime!" said I.

Now I'm more excited because I think they were showing her the Bonnie and Clyde video (starring her!) along the roads of NC and Hartford and perhaps recording her reaction.
(I would so buy a ticket to see that!)

Actually both videos would be hilarious to watch. I'd like to watch her stumbling through the 'alibi scripts' as well as seeing her on video watching the Hartford technicolor Albany ride where 'she was on her cell phone'.

I see her as a doomed character now who is deeply involved in a criminal conspiracy to murder and cover up. What she does to save herself from a life in prison will be interesting to see.

But truly I see her as a 'hard nut to crack' as I frankly don't think there is an ounce of humanity in her and other than the threat of a life in prison I'm not sure LE can do much to 'motivate' her to cooperate because there is nothing in her as a human being that has the ability to understand the concept of 'doing the right thing'. Its simply not in her DNA. The usual things that might motivate a person that is a mother of a young daughter simply don't seem to be at play here because MT simply isn't motivated by any of these factors IMO.

Just think, she didn't cooperate from day 1 to assist in the missing investigation and then she proceeded to lie for 81 days and waste LE time AND THEN we see that even when confronted with pictures and evidence that MT is still challenged to answer truthfully and LE have to resort to 'pointed questioning'.

Not sure how much we need to know about who and what MT is as a human being? She through her behavior has told us all IMO. No good news on the MT front and my guess is that LE will use the 'carrot and stick' approach to get what they can from her and then will simply send her to trial.

I'm glad Bowman has kept MT from the Press circus and IMO if she were front and center in the media and done Dateline etc., I am sure the pitchforks would be out for her and calls for CT the bring back the death penalty would ring loud and furious as her behavior and actions look both diabolical and heinous IMO!

MOO

 

[MemPat]

Same old, same old. The guy is pathetic. It's called stress loss, you ponytailed fool, and it's caused when you are being abused by a malignant narcissist for 2 plus years! How many days did Jennifer live in fear that he husband, the father of her children would murder her? I would bet every single day since the day she left him. No wonder she lost weight.

Thanks, OC, I knew it was a thing but I didn't know it had a name.

 

[13th]

Greetings WS, my first post. I've been fascinated by this case and this thread since May. So many smart, compassionate and inciteful perspectives here.

I noticed a minor but interesting detail in the Dateline interview that I don't think has been mentioned yet. It appears FD is wearing a monogrammed shirt, visible at the 35:13 mark.