Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #22

[MassGuy]

I wonder if LE had tried to find surveillance footage of the Raptor on Merritt/Lapham before they started to look for Toyota footage after EE interview on 6/2.

I’m sure they would have looked for all the vehicles that he owned, and anything that looked out of place in general.

That would be a complete *advertiser censored* pain, but necessary.

They struck gold when they spoke to EE, as they then knew exactly what to look for.

 

[enelram]

EXACTLY.

I noticed that also. Love It.

Not to mention that FO actually Gave the Detective the Pin Number to the phone.

Why would FO hand over the phone With the pin number, if he did not Consent to LE having and looking at the information the phone contained?

IMO.

yes and Dateline guy said LE still got a search warrant to inspect the phone .

 

[oviedo]

Don't believe this for a second! IMO its part of the 'alibi script'. Why was she there to begin with? Why not stay home? MOO

yes, it is such an easy thing to prove or disprove. Been thinking we should helpfully compile all of the articles where NP said he had "proof" of where they were, what they were doing, who they were with? etc. I had forgotten until I started hunting down the comment the GAL made to FD about accounting for every minute of his time... JMO

 

[afitzy]

yes, it is such an easy thing to prove or disprove. Been thinking we should helpfully compile all of the articles where NP said he had "proof" of where they were, what they were doing, who they were with? etc. I had forgotten until I started hunting down the comment the GAL made to FD about accounting for every minute of his time... JMO

I 'hope' you are not suggesting that FD and MT compiled the pages of 'alibi scripts' because it was done at the suggestion of GAL "Show me the Money" Meehan!

Yikes! I would hope that we won't see GAL Meehan somehow dragged into this mess as he was the one to suggest that FD 'account for every second of his time on the missing date'!!!!!

Wouldn't that be hiliarious if Pattisville tosses that out in court!

Your Honor, my client FD was simply following the suggestion of Atty Meehan when he and MT put together the "Alibi Scripts"!

Pure lunacy IMO but I can see it happening!

Can't you just see Atty Meehan drenched in sweat in the $3,000 Brioni suit and custom shirts on cross trying to explain that maybe just maybe FD might have misunderstood his 'suggestion' on how to beat a murder rap?

Your Honor, FD and I just had a 'miscommunication' and he 'misunderstood' my comment and took it as a suggestion.

Hilarious! This line of questioning has to be in the eventual movie script IMO!

MOO

 

[BellaVita]

I’m sure they would have looked for all the vehicles that he owned, and anything that looked out of place in general.

That would be a complete *advertiser censored* pain, but necessary.

They struck gold when they spoke to EE, as they then knew exactly what to look for.

And it was a chance meeting on 5/31 when EE drove up to 4JC with the Porsche seats and LE talked to him a bit then. Since EE was driving a FORE vehicle that day, I wonder if the Tacoma was sitting in the driveway. Dumb move on the part of FD not being able to orchestrate out of that encounter. Really dumb. Seems like EE would have driven his truck home for the weekend. Don't think FD was too happy at that point. IMO.

 

[afitzy]

Hmm, ? Is there an EARTH expert among us? I think there are professional versions of EARTH as well (paid subscriptions), may be that is what would give us the truck image and the date?

@oc1234, I believe Gray Hughes has the super duper version of EARTH that you are referring to with your question. He is pretty responsive to questions and loves hearing from listeners. I think he has an email on his youtube page and he is active on FB. So why not reach out and see if he is willing to help answer your questions! I believe he loves WSers too! MOO

 

[BellaVita]

I 'hope' you are not suggesting that FD and MT compiled the pages of 'alibi scripts' because it was done at the suggestion of GAL "Show me the Money" Meehan!

Yikes! I would hope that we won't see GAL Meehan somehow dragged into this mess as he was the one to suggest that FD 'account for every second of his time on the missing date'!!!!!

Wouldn't that be hiliarious if Pattisville tosses that out in court!

Your Honor, my client FD was simply following the suggestion of Atty Meehan when he and MT put together the "Alibi Scripts"!

Pure lunacy IMO but I can see it happening!

Can't you just see Atty Meehan drenched in sweat on cross trying to explain that maybe just maybe FD might have misunderstood his 'suggestion' on how to beat a murder rap?

Your Honor, FD and I just had a 'miscommunication' and he 'misunderstood' my comment and took it as a suggestion.

Hilarious! This line of questioning has to be in the eventual movie script IMO!

MOO

First, I know FD and MT are guilty, but even if I was innocent, I might do something like write down all I could think of to prove my whereabouts. It would be the truth but I'd want to write down everything knowing I was a suspect. I'd want to think back about little things I did or where I went that I had no way of knowing would be important at the time.

 

[Caroline Lago]

Yes. He wanted no connection to the murder scene, and that was the reason for using that particular vehicle.

Even if that car was spotted, it wouldn’t be immediately connected to him.

He banked on no one connecting that car to him and this crime.

On a side note, I often say that school bus drivers are not given enough credit, given that they are responsible for taking our children safely to school, day in and day out. Little did that school bus driver know that his or her route was capturing a critical moment in crime!!

 

[oviedo]

I 'hope' you are not suggesting that FD and MT compiled the pages of 'alibi scripts' because it was done at the suggestion of GAL "Show me the Money" Meehan!

Yikes! I would hope that we won't see GAL Meehan somehow dragged into this mess as he was the one to suggest that FD 'account for every second of his time on the missing date'!!!!!

Wouldn't that be hiliarious if Pattisville tosses that out in court!

Your Honor, my client FD was simply following the suggestion of Atty Meehan when he and MT put together the "Alibi Scripts"!

Pure lunacy IMO but I can see it happening!

Can't you just see Atty Meehan drenched in sweat in the $3,000 Brioni suit and custom shirts on cross trying to explain that maybe just maybe FD might have misunderstood his 'suggestion' on how to beat a murder rap?

Your Honor, FD and I just had a 'miscommunication' and he 'misunderstood' my comment and took it as a suggestion.

Hilarious! This line of questioning has to be in the eventual movie script IMO!

MOO

Why yes I am @afitzy ! I think when the GAL told him he better be able to account for all of his time - he went right to MT and said something along the lines of "we have to be able to account for our time" blah blah blah and so they did. All IMO. but i would love to know the date they wrote those "scripts" as I don't think it occurred to them they would need something like that until the GAL said it to FD. JMO

 

[CuriousCat9]

Thanks @afitzy , this is a must watch. I haven't finished it yet but derivation/proof of the positioning of the red truck parked on Lapham Road was remarking sleuthing. I need to go to my day job now but I just wanted to put it out there that Hughes has followed many cases and rivals PM but Hughes is on the side of the good. PM should give back his pro bono legal services award. For shame. I can't discount Hughes and Urso: important evidence not yet disclosed by LE was found in NC. PM's job one was to harass EE. FD grilled EE about his workday, his exact route back north.

EE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CAUGHT RED HANDED AT A TRANSFER STATION ON THE WAY HOME.

The construction bags with some remains were planted in EE's ride that day so that EE could dispose of garbage that did not smell/been bleached and drained. Propped up in a bathtub. EE was instructed to dispose of hardware immediately. EE did not. EE retained evidence for LE. A timeline for EE has not been disclosed by LE. Which transfer station did EE go to on the 24th on his way back to Farmington? FD went to check that night of the 24th. Yep, the dumpster was empty and/or something was left in the FORE metal thingy. Who moved the FORE metal thingy? EE was/is in extreme danger. EE is a hero. Urso knows. Jig is up. IMO.
By the way, @Rosiebones, a friend of mine who also is rich but likes to visit the local transfer station to save on private garbage collection fees - extremely wealthy people with full time jobs often go to transfer stations to dump their own garbage - that is why they are wealthy - well, he believes that the NC Transfer Station floats garbage on a barge. LE found what they were looking for on a barge sitting on Long Island Sound. Not yet incinerated. MOO.

Since reading this, I keep thinking that FD’s plan was to set up EE. All that time he spent at JD’s home could have been spent dismembering partially and he could have deposited a few bags into the metal dumpster outside Sturbridge without EE knowing, afterward asking him to drop them off at the NC transfer station, saying they were from work he’d done earlier in the week. This would have put the blame on EE as LE probably checked there for video, etc. This would explain why the grilling of EE about what he saw that day. It would also explain the time gap after FD got back to the Tacoma.

I know NP is trying to make it look like GG situation now but I’m looking forward to knowing more about the contents of the Hartford bags and if EE’s DNA turns up in those. He did say he never cleaned out his truck. Some of the items seemed as though they were meant to be found. Even the murder weapon could have been something FD took from EE’s truck, a heavy tool or even the knife. Surely, he must have known LE would find out he was driving the red truck though.

The way that EE stood up to FD when he demanded his keys back at MS makes me think he’s the type of person that FD would want to frame - not the preferred doormat type.

Please feel free to discredit my theory but after reading what @pandaknows wrote, I have to get it out lol. Hoping panda shares more!

Edited for clarity and grammar.

 

[citygirl]

Yes, it looks like GF bought the note so she is now in control of the situation and is not at risk of losing what was previously used to secure the note (her property).

Sad it came to this but I think they are trying to make the best of a bad situation and simply evict FD once and for all.

MOO

So,where will he go? He can't leave the state. He can't hunker down at the Avon Hotel if MT is there.Is there still a Marriott in Farmington? Or maybe he will bunk in with his attorney friend KM? Better yet will he move in with Norm?

 

[oviedo]

So,where will he go? He can't leave the state. He can't hunker down at the Avon Hotel if MT is there.Is there still a Marriott in Farmington? Or maybe he will bunk in with his attorney friend KM? Better yet will he move in with Norm?

He could live in one of his empty houses - but he would have to turn on the utilities - unless they are one which one would think if they are showing them for open house - they would have to be? Anyone have experience with timeline for CT foreclosure and eviction? It takes years where I am. IMO

 

[sleuth66]

First, I know FD and MT are guilty, but even if I was innocent, I might do something like write down all I could think of to prove my whereabouts. It would be the truth but I'd want to write down everything knowing I was a suspect. I'd want to think back about little things I did or where I went that I had no way of knowing would be important at the time.

Yeah, but if you were innocent the stuff you would write down would be true. You’d only write down stuff that was inconsistent and wouldn’t hold up to scrutiny in the case that you were guilty. And then when confronted with the inconsistencies in your list like the shower session you wouldn’t admit to LE that you were lying, which is a criminal offense in itself. Right?
MOO.

 

[sleuth66]

So,where will he go? He can't leave the state. He can't hunker down at the Avon Hotel if MT is there.Is there still a Marriott in Farmington? Or maybe he will bunk in with his attorney friend KM? Better yet will he move in with Norm?

Maybe Pat McKenna and Casey have a free guest room down in FL. Aw shucks, forgot, he can’t leave the state of CT.

 

[oceancalling]

MT in a relationship induced trance?

Curious about this theory.

What it sounds like is that you are describing a deeply co-dependent relationship which can be quite tricky to maintain and also to escape. If you factor in the narcopath aspect that many here have described for FD then you have a MT in an almost zombie like state that we have now seen at each of her court appearances? Perhaps this can explain the over 2 months of lying to LE and her half hearted attempts even after 8/13/19? She has seemed out of it and perhaps this is why? Given the assessment of her moral and ethical issues I'm doubtful but maybe its worth more discussion.

Psych Today article: 6 Signs of a Codependent Relationship

Interesting ideas all around I think.

I've written way too much on here about MT as I've tried and struggled to get a handle on a participant in this crime that we don't know much about and sadly we don't even know much about her timeline.

My conclusion has been that MT was indistinguishable from FD and the two were deeply codependent and so were 'two peas in a pod'. I also put the tag of 'amoral monster' on MT based on what we have learned about her as a person and her lack of cooperation and her willingness to enter into a conspiracy to coverup the crime of murder which I thought was diabolical and heinous.

Maybe MT deserves another look or further consideration as I believe @Chessman seemed to be alluding to the other night.

IDK. Worth hearing if someone can make a strong argument in support of MT at this point.

I'd be curious to hear it!

MOO

While I certainly do not support MT, I do not have enough information about her involvement in the preplanning of this murder to conclude she was a co-conspirator in this this murder before it happened. Could she have been? Sure, but we don't know the answer to that question.

I do believe, however that FD, not MT, was the driving force and dominant participant here. Although this murder was preplanned, it was also a rage killing that was actually, physically committed by FD. He had the motive, means and opportunity, so to me he is the more responsible of the two. While she may have nagged and whined about the divorce dragging on, FD was the one who murdered Jennifer.

The Alibi Scripts tell me that MT wasn't even smart enough to remember the lies; FD was the one who came up with what she was to say. Again, that leads me to believe this murder was his something HE wanted, HE planned, HE executed. I suspect LE feels the same.

I will say I agree with LE's efforts to obtain her truthful cooperation. IMO she has enough information to ensure a first degree murder conviction. He clearly is aware of this fact, as is his attorney and that is why they go from condemning to cajoling her.

In all prosecutions, LE is called upon to make judgement calls about how to put its case together. Mr. Coangelo is an experienced prosecutor, and Mr. Bowman is a former prosecutor. Both men are very familiar with the effectiveness of direct testimony from someone who had a front row seat on FD's actions, both before and after Jennifer's murder. While perhaps not necessary for a conviction, most prosecutors would want a jury to hear that kind of testimony.

My problem with her is her fuzzy memory. If the State is not going to charge her with further crimes, which are definitely in the mix, she needs to get real about telling the truth. All of it. Quickly.

 

[Greenstreet]

Welcome Non-Lurker!

Pound Ridge IMO makes so much sense and sadly all we know is that the property was searched. I would love to know if the pond was searched in a way similar to what they did at Waveny but we just don't know. The property had sentimental value to JD and her family, the guest house FD built as one of his first FORE projects and might just fit into some kind of sick and twisted FD revenge fantasy. To me it seems perfect on so many levels, plus its close. We sadly just don't know!

MOO

Thank you for the welcome and the affirmation that it made sense when trying to figure out a timeline or reason FD was "back tracking"or headed away from Farmington. I am glad I brought it up, knowing it was considered by this WS group of pros ! And I learned more information from you that guest house was one of his first FORE projects. Everything he does is twisted, vengeful and evil. Sadly we know that much.

 

[sds71]

Interactive map here
Jennifer Dulos disappearance: The route Fotis Dulos could have taken from Waveny to Welles Lane
How Fotis Dulos allegedly arrived at his wife’s house at 69 Welles Lane, about three-and-a-half miles away from where police say the Tacoma was parked, remains unclear. The belief is that he either walked, ran or rode a bike to the home, sources close to the investigation said.
The most likely routes for Fotis Dulos, 52, however, would have taken him down highly trafficked and narrow streets, like Old Stamford Road and Weed Street, which are particularly busy at that time of the day.
On foot, the quickest route would’ve been down Old Stamford Road to Weed Street, where he could’ve turned on to Indian Waters Drive, a private road ending in a cul-de-sac. From here, he could have cut across woods into the Welles Lane property’s backyard in a total of about 40 minutes.
The second-quickest route would have been from Old Stamford Road, down Jeliff Mill Road, to Spring Water Lane, which ends about a third of a mile short of Jennifer Dulos’ backyard. This trip, however, would’ve taken close to 50 minutes while walking.
On Wednesday, around the time Fotis Dulos would have allegedly been walking in the area on May 24, parents and their children could be seen waiting at the end of their driveways for school buses.
Police have not said whether anyone saw Fotis Dulos along any of these routes that morning or if he was captured on residential security systems along the way.

 

[oviedo]

Interactive map here
Jennifer Dulos disappearance: The route Fotis Dulos could have taken from Waveny to Welles Lane
How Fotis Dulos allegedly arrived at his wife’s house at 69 Welles Lane, about three-and-a-half miles away from where police say the Tacoma was parked, remains unclear. The belief is that he either walked, ran or rode a bike to the home, sources close to the investigation said.
The most likely routes for Fotis Dulos, 52, however, would have taken him down highly trafficked and narrow streets, like Old Stamford Road and Weed Street, which are particularly busy at that time of the day.
On foot, the quickest route would’ve been down Old Stamford Road to Weed Street, where he could’ve turned on to Indian Waters Drive, a private road ending in a cul-de-sac. From here, he could have cut across woods into the Welles Lane property’s backyard in a total of about 40 minutes.
The second-quickest route would have been from Old Stamford Road, down Jeliff Mill Road, to Spring Water Lane, which ends about a third of a mile short of Jennifer Dulos’ backyard. This trip, however, would’ve taken close to 50 minutes while walking.
On Wednesday, around the time Fotis Dulos would have allegedly been walking in the area on May 24, parents and their children could be seen waiting at the end of their driveways for school buses.
Police have not said whether anyone saw Fotis Dulos along any of these routes that morning or if he was captured on residential security systems along the way.

forgot about the neighborhood public school buses - ours come for the little ones around 8:11am. Wonder what that street schedule is? A jogger may have been noticed and kids and parents awaiting a school bus may have spooked FD if he chose that route - I'm still thinking he hid out behind the house - early but before she arrived home from dropping the kids off - early on we had a poster comment that it was about a 5 min drive to bus drop off and then some type of car rider line may take a few more minutes - so was he hiding in the back of the house or even in the garage (if she left the garage door open which we don't know) around 7.50am? we know the Tacoma was parked at the park. all JMO

 

[BellaVita]

Yeah, but if you were innocent the stuff you would write down would be true. You’d only write down stuff that was inconsistent and wouldn’t hold up to scrutiny in the case that you were guilty. And then when confronted with the inconsistencies in your list like the shower session you wouldn’t admit to LE that you were lying, which is a criminal offense in itself. Right?
MOO.

That's what I said. I was just saying I don't find it odd for someone to start writing things down. I said it would be true. I said they are guilty. You are preaching to the choir.

 

[oceancalling]

The NC transfer station is highly organized and easy to use. You pull up in your vehicle and you place your items in the appropriate skip (you are at street level and the skips are below you so you just drop your items in). There is a skip for garbage, recycle items and metal. Garbage can be in bags but recycled items have to be loose with no plastic bags and ditto for metal items. Construction debris has to go to a separate section of the transfer station and the vehicle has to be weighed going in/out and placed in a different area.

IMO it would be no issue to simply back up the truck and toss a few bags into the garbage skip and simply drive off.

MOO

There would have been cameras there somewhere IMO. I don't see how FD uses that transfer station without leaving some sort of evidentiary trail. MOO!