Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #24

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afitzy said:
On Sturbridge, the info on the mtgs need to come from Town Hall directly and simply have not had time to grab it. Will do that soon as its on the "FD To Do List"! But my sense is that the 2 'friend mortgages" were put into place to eliminate the ability of GF to collect on her attachment. Hope Weinstein is all over this situation to verify if the 2 'friend mortgages' are "real"! MOO
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False liens filing or any fraudulent filing in real estate records is a crime around here.
 
Jmoose said:
If it was luck, then he got pretty lucky that morning-not running into the housekeeper, for one example. Unless he spent the night prior to the murder in NC, he got lucky that he didn’t hit some traffic driving down that morning and miss his window of opportunity. He got lucky that nobody came to Jennifer’s house while he was there. Funny-he may have left that to chance, but in the part where he planned things-having and keeping EE/PG’s Tacoma, he was unlucky. He, I think, meant to use that truck to dispose of everything Jennifer-related, but was forced to use his own truck to do so. I guess he didn’t think he needed any luck with EE/PG; it never occurred to him that he wouldn’t be able to easily convince his employee to use the much newer and nicer Raptor for the weekend.
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Is there any way someone like MT was a lookout for him? I wonder, too, if the driveway had those sensors that ring a bell if someone drives through them. That would have given him a heads up of someone coming. MOO.
 
HopeForTheBest said:
I signed up for Google alerts on FD and JD to reduce the chance that I’m working on things and miss something big and most are things we’ve seen here already. This one link today talks about a case where CT prosecuted successfully without a body. It requires you to sign up for a free CT Insider email newsletter and I did but can’t read it right now but it has 76 photos! Whoa! Not sure how I could share the info here since pasting it all if I even could would be against the Fair Use policy but you guys could subscribe at the link and read yourselves if you want:

Ruling recalls notorious crime with parallels to Dulos

Not sure of its value; just FYI. MOO.
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I saw some other articles there on the site and photos I’d never seen at least. MOO.
 
Jmoose said:
I don’t know, MassGuy, the blood that he didn’t manage to clean on his own would have continued to decompose in the 6 days after the body was in there. I’ll bet that truck did smell pretty funky by May 29th.
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Was there really that much blood in the truck? I didn't think they were that specific.
Could it be that there were only a few spots he had to clean up? I would think he would have wrapped the body to avoid any blood getting on the seats at all. Imo
 
HopeForTheBest said:
I forgot to check but does anyone know if you’re allowed to swim in the reservoirs?
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The Hartford Reservoirs website pictures people swimming, not sure if it’s just at that one lake (McDonagh) though.

Lake McDonough | The Metropolitan District

Have we talked about Deer Cliff? There is a cliff at the edge of the reservoir boundary that’s used by climbers. I’m guessing Deer Cliff Rd is near there....
 
HopeForTheBest said:
I forgot to check but does anyone know if you’re allowed to swim in the reservoirs?
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many years back I lived near a couple and you were not allowed to swim in them, in fact you weren't even supposed to go near the water.
Ducks and geese did but no humans. I would guess it's the same since they're the drinking water source for most of the towns around them.
 
enelram said:
many years back I lived near a couple and you were not allowed to swim in them, in fact you weren't even supposed to go near the water.
Ducks and geese did but no humans. I would guess it's the same since they're the drinking water source for most of the towns around them.
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You’re right... the rules state no swimming. The recreation areas must be the exception?

https://themdc.org/assets/uploads/files/Recreation/RULES AND REGULATIONS - RESERVOIRS update(2).pdf
 
I follow this thread daily, and I appreciate reading everyone’s views. I don’t usually post because I find myself using the time to learn and sharpen my critical thinking skills from what the many brilliant sleuths’ postulate. That said, I thought I would share my musings this afternoon. As I started to do so, I found myself writing way too many paragraphs, so much that I wanted to scroll and roll on myself!! I decided to stop after my third paragraph and moved on to write this intro and post a TL;DR (too long; didn’t read) summary. All MOO.

TL;DR –

  1. EE showing up at 80MS, was he invited or unannounced?
  2. Did FD want to keep the Tacoma specifically for both the Albany run and to clean up and dispose of the evidence?
  3. Were the altered plates used on the Raptor a much-needed plan B?
  4. Was it really a coincidence that the police showed up at the same time EE had the FD seats he was instructed to switch out?
  5. At what point did MT or FD rent the SUV that MT used to follow FD to the car wash, and had the Raptor been impounded yet?
  6. Is MT’s DNA on at least one of the bags the police have as evidence (FD handed a wet paper towel to her when he was cleaning out the Tacoma)?
  7. EE and family had their truck in their possession for several days before FD and MT took it to get detailed. I am curious if we will learn if, in hindsight, anything stuck them as off once they learned the truck was likely involved in a crime.
  8. We still don’t know if evidence was found in the Raptor – I don’t recall one mention of it in either A1 or A2…hmmmm.
Prayers to JD family and EE and his family. I do believe justice is coming.


The paragraphs below apply to the first part of my summary above, and I decided to keep them in the post since I had already written them before I decided to summarize.

@Jmoose I think you are correct about FD being furious about not being able to keep the EE Tacoma truck – he probably started spinning fast. I wonder though, did he want the Tacoma to stay so he could use it for the Albany journey, or just to clean up the evidence in the Tacoma.

Perhaps this is where the altered plates come in. Since FD’s plan A (keeping the Tacoma) didn’t come through, there was some urgency in creating a Plan B. Is this when he decided to use his Raptor for the Albany run and found a need to try to disguise his truck (Epic FAIL). I am curious why the Raptor was chosen, and not the Jeep – perhaps it is because they needed the truck bed for the disposal items. I don’t recall if the bags were in the truck cab or bed.

I think it was @enelram edit to @sleuth66 that mentioned a possible theory on the phone situation and EEs timing arriving at 4JC that afternoon. It makes sense that FD was trying not to be found at that time and hoping that when EE couldn’t locate FD at the “office” (and probably not by phone either at that time), EE would just go on home with the Raptor – after all, he thought FD might just be waterskiing. I wonder what prompted EE to head over to 80MS – did he get in touch with FD or MT and they told him to come on over, or did he show up unannounced. If I recall, he expected the Tacoma to be at 4JC; did he think it was odd that his Tacoma was over at 80MS? Because if I am EE, I might be wondering why my vehicle was over at 80MS when I left it at 4JC – especially given the fact that there are other vehicles that FD owns, such as the Jeep. If EE showed up unannounced, I could only imagine the panic FD, and MT found themselves in – hence, the weird shuffling of cars (that I still can’t figure out). That coupled with the fact that MT relocated herself with EE keys in an attempt to elude EE. I am also curious as to why EE was adamant this particular day about taking his truck home and didn’t just go with the flow as I thought I read that in the past he had intermittently kept Fore vehicles for periods, including weekends on occasion. It just struck me in the A2 that EE was adamant about taking his truck on this day. All MOO.
 
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enelram said:
many years back I lived near a couple and you were not allowed to swim in them, in fact you weren't even supposed to go near the water.
Ducks and geese did but no humans. I would guess it's the same since they're the drinking water source for most of the towns around them.
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Yea...I was so grossed out by the searches there for that reason.
 
The plates were probably kept on the wall of the garage at Jefferson Crossing. Perhaps that was the reason for the quick trip back from 80 MS to JC. The job of altering the plates was really quickly and poorly done. It sounds like a last minute thing because he needed false plates for the Raptor and Albany Ave.
If this was the reason then MT had to know what was going on and why.
 
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Jmoose said:
If it was luck, then he got pretty lucky that morning-not running into the housekeeper, for one example. Unless he spent the night prior to the murder in NC, he got lucky that he didn’t hit some traffic driving down that morning and miss his window of opportunity. He got lucky that nobody came to Jennifer’s house while he was there. Funny-he may have left that to chance, but in the part where he planned things-having and keeping EE/PG’s Tacoma, he was unlucky. He, I think, meant to use that truck to dispose of everything Jennifer-related, but was forced to use his own truck to do so. I guess he didn’t think he needed any luck with EE/PG; it never occurred to him that he wouldn’t be able to easily convince his employee to use the much newer and nicer Raptor for the weekend.
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I agree: EE's Tacoma was supposed to have all the Jennifer evidence in the master plan. I watched Gray Hughes again (it took me 2 sittings for a 2 hour video which should have been edited down to 1 hour max but starting 20 minutes in might save you some frustration - the Google Earth visual derivation of the exact positioning of cars in relation to bus cam video is super interesting and starts at the 20 minute mark). Anyhoo, Hughes' theory is that Jennifer was left in NC sometime between 10:25 and 11:12, a 47 minute window ending at the shot on the Merritt New Canaan rest stop going north. According to Hughes, the red Tacoma was positioned strangely at Lapham Road, on the side of the road facing opposite to the traffic i.e. facing oncoming traffic, not the normal way someone would pull in to the side if one was having car trouble. See the youtube thumbnail of the red Tacoma facing towards oncoming traffic. FD might have been 100% certain that the red Tacoma parked on Lapham Road could not ever in a million years be caught on video. FD did not anticipate the school bus cams. So FD got sloppy and parked the red Tacoma in an odd facing direction. Why? So that FD would have to do a U-turn to get back on the Merritt going north? So why leave the red Tacoma, possibly sitting unattended from 7:05 am to 10:25 am facing the opposite direction of the road (suspicious for anyone driving by)? Maybe like an Olympic relay handoff, you have to face the direction that you will be pulling out of in a hurry because at 10:25 am when you have parked Jennifer's Chevy Suburban 100 feet ahead, you need to zip out in that direction and transfer the body in a few moments and then drive to the preplanned burial spot, that was located within a 13 minute drive, in that direction. The two partners in crime would have full viewing range of traffic going in either direction if the 2 cars were nose to nose. FD had a lookout, I think the timing is too tight not to have an accomplice create a diversion in case the nanny or the housekeeper or the UPS guy decides to come early. FD would have enough time to swap out one or two contractor bags left at Sturbridge for identical looking contractor bags. Check out his look in the mirror upstairs too. MOO.
 
pandaknows said:
I agree: EE's Tacoma was supposed to have all the Jennifer evidence in the master plan. I watched Gray Hughes again (it took me 2 sittings for a 2 hour video which should have been edited down to 1 hour max but starting 20 minutes in might save you some frustration - the Google Earth visual derivation of the exact positioning of cars in relation to bus cam video is super interesting and starts at the 20 minute mark). Anyhoo, Hughes' theory is that Jennifer was left in NC sometime between 10:25 and 11:12, a 47 minute window ending at the shot on the Merritt New Canaan rest stop going north. According to Hughes, the red Tacoma was positioned strangely at Lapham Road, on the side of the road facing opposite to the traffic i.e. facing oncoming traffic, not the normal way someone would pull in to the side if one was having car trouble. See the youtube thumbnail of the red Tacoma facing towards oncoming traffic. FD might have been 100% certain that the red Tacoma parked on Lapham Road could not ever in a million years be caught on video. FD did not anticipate the school bus cams. So FD got sloppy and parked the red Tacoma in an odd facing direction. Why? So that FD would have to do a U-turn to get back on the Merritt going north? So why leave the red Tacoma, possibly sitting unattended from 7:05 am to 10:25 am facing the opposite direction of the road (suspicious for anyone driving by)? Maybe like an Olympic relay handoff, you have to face the direction that you will be pulling out of in a hurry because at 10:25 am when you have parked Jennifer's Chevy Suburban 100 feet ahead, you need to zip out in that direction and transfer the body in a few moments and then drive to the preplanned burial spot, that was located within a 13 minute drive, in that direction. The two partners in crime would have full viewing range of traffic going in either direction if the 2 cars were nose to nose. FD had a lookout, I think the timing is too tight not to have an accomplice create a diversion in case the nanny or the housekeeper or the UPS guy decides to come early. FD would have enough time to swap out one or two contractor bags left at Sturbridge for identical looking contractor bags. Check out his look in the mirror upstairs too. MOO.
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You’ve convinced me...
 
Midwestmom2019 said:
False liens filing or any fraudulent filing in real estate records is a crime around here.
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Yes, its a crime in CT too!

My sense is that this is precisely why Atty Weinstein is in hot pursuit of Atty Markowitz in Civil Court. Atty Markowitz appears to be working quite hard to not hand over the FORE real estate files to Atty Weinstein IMO. So the race for the FORE real estate files is on and we will see if the Civil Court Judge does anything or if it will be a situation like the FORE Quickbooks records that were due to be turned over in March 2018 I believe and this still remains an outstanding discovery item and not in compliance with the order on this matter (Atty Weinstein has filed for default on this matter if I recall but I don't believe the Judge has ruled on the matter or called for a hearing).

Atty Weinstein has been working hard to get the Civil cases consolidated and also include the latest 4Jx foreclosure action into a file all under the same Judge in Civil Court. Previously the civil cases were heard by 2 Judges. It took me awhile to understand the snails pace of things on a fact pattern that on the surface seems quite easy to understand. But it seems few things are easy in CT courts but Atty Weinstein is working hard on multiple fronts to bring this matter to a conclusion and make sure the Dec 2019 trial date is firm.

Of course, per usual FD and his new lackey Atty Bill Murray are hard at work making sure there will be a continuance filed for December. I hope the Judge sees through this sham and moves for trial as scheduled.

But, we shall have to wait and see!

MOO
 
Tink56 said:
Is there some reason I've missed that no one thinks that FD could have used chemicals to decompose her body? He just doesn't seem like he would want to be covered in blood if he could help it. I think there may have been injury as a part of the attack for which FD hadn't planned. Perhaps he grabbed her and she fell on the concrete floor in the garage. Head wounds always seem to bleed profusely.

This is way outside of any my knowledge, but both acid and lye could be used and the remains placed in an abandoned well on one of his properties.

I'm just exploring ideas...From the Slate article: By adding water to lye and heating the lye to 300 degrees, the body could dissolve in 3 hours. If the lye isn't heated that high it might take a few hours longer....
Acid seems to take longer, but if water is added to acid, all body tissue and muscle would dissolve in 12 hours. Bones take longer. (My search history is going to be interesting after this is over....)

What Happens When a Dead Body Is Dissolved in Lye?
How Hard Is it to Dissolve a Body?
How long does it take to dissolve a human body?
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Thanks for this!

This 'dissolving' issue has kicked around on this thread for awhile and at a certain level it seems like its a viable possibility. Its been hard as up until recently we didn't have a great timeline to work with. Now we do have something of a timeline where it might be possible to better evaluate different methods of body disposal. I wish we knew the MT/FD schedule for the 25th. I wonder if the 24th was all about murder and surface clean up of the remnants of clean up and 25th was when body disposal really occurred? IDK.

The dissolving process where heat is involved to me would have required alot more prep than simply placing the body in a barrel and waiting IMO. But leaving the body anyplace involves risk and so the no heat dissolving process is clearly riskier I think from a timing standpoint.

We also have no visibility from AW2 as to what if anything was recovered from 80 MS. We also don't have confirmation that FD actually spent much time at 80 MS as we simply have the eyewitness account of the time that EE saw FD at 80 MS. We have no eyewitness testimony YET from MT on what happened on the afternoon of the 24th/missing date OR the morning of the 25th before FD was at NCPD.

I'm trying to figure out how much of a risk taker FD is by nature. So far IMO he looks reckless and careless but I'm still trying to figure him out! Ideas would be MUCH appreciated as certain aspects of his behavior are clear as crystal but others...much, less so!

MOO MOO
 
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