Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #24

[oceancalling]

Home from the hike! Beautiful day here in CT. Reservoir was packed, no sign of any ongoing searches. So I got pretty close to JC, could see the houses from one trail which led to the power lines. The walk to JC to actual water is NOT an easy one, even if it’s only about half a mile. JC is essentially on top of a mountain, and the reservoir is at the bottom of the mountain. Granted if he was carrying something away from his house it would be going down the mountain. The terrain is not easy. There are rocks/cliffs (10-30feet drop offs) almost everywhere off trail. There is NO way IMO you can bring a dirt bike or other vehicle off trail back there.

I noticed pink tape running parallel to the power lines, trees were marked every 20 yards or so, not sure if this was related to the search.

Let me know if you guys have any questions.

Wow! Thanks. Those pictures are so helpful, as is everything you local folks have posted. It really allows us to understand the type of terrain LE is dealing with. It also makes me think Dulos followed those power lines, and question how he could move a body down there by himself. We don't have enough information about MT to know, but if he acted alone during that part of the crime, the physical logistics make that location a difficult burial site. On the other hand, why is LE still looking if it knows Jennifer's remains ended up at MIRA?

 

[happyperson]

@afitzy

-on the google map there is the line/path going through the map, is this the trail that you sent us pictures of? Or is it the power lines?

-from google maps the line is one of the paths, it it stone covered ( one of the pictures I posted shows this exact path- about 8-10 feet wide, grey crushed stone)

@thekirbyfamily posted her google map and there was this green dashed line we were trying to figure out what it was.

Green dashed line is the same crushed stone path

-on your hike did you stay on the trail exclusively and was that what you said was challenging OR did you go off trail and tried the woods and that what was challenging?

I did go off trail a bit but it’s ALMOST impossible to get from JC straight to reservoir ...many fallen trees, large boulders, small cliffs.

-would it be possible based on what you saw for FD/MT to go through the woods from 4Jx or do you think the post likely path was via the path?

I don’t think they would risk going on the path. It would have been a nice Friday afternoon, to easy to be spotted by someone, IMO. I think they would have to cut through the woods, but as I stated it really would have been hard if not impossible.

-how does one get from 4Jx to the established path that you had a picture of? Would FD/MT have had to walk through brush and woods to get to the path or is there an easier way.

So the power lines basically back up to JC. I did see a very small path that led in that direction but I can’t say for sure where it ended. I had my 4yo with me and the stroller wouldn’t have went up that path. I’ll post a picture of the small path below.

-did you see much poison ivy?
I did not, but would not be surprised if it was all around. It’s like a jungle back there!

-how easy is it for a person to get close to the reservoir 3 to toss something in? many reservoirs have very rocky perimeters to keep people away. Do you see that it was doable for FD/MT to access Reservoir 3 on foot and while carrying something that might have been heavy toss it into the reservoir?

So one side of the reservoir has a paved path that runs along it. You can walk right up to the water. The left side (closest to JC) has woods that runs right up to the water. Today, there were hundreds of people on that paved path. Even a Friday afternoon I’m sure it would have been pretty busy. I guess it’s possible they could have thrown something in the left side of reservoir through the woods, but then they would have been exposed of being seen by people on the paved path.

-I've looked for depth maps for the Reservoirs and haven't been successful. From looking at the water were you able to get a sense of depth at all?

Basically like a lake, initially shallow but likely really deep in the middle. No swimming or boats allowed though, so anything that was disposed wouldn’t be too deep.

IMO she may be in those dense woods, buried in a Pre-dug grave, but not in the actual water

 

[oceancalling]

Perhaps he didn’t plan on murdering her and didn’t intend to be there long. Maybe his mission was to steal documents or something and she surprised him by returning home instead of heading straight to NYC.
Also he may not have transferred her body directly to the Toyota. He could have driven the suburban with her body and cleanup debris someplace else before leaving the vehicle at the park. He may have even cleaned it up some before dropping it off. Then he may have driven the Toyota to the location of the body and debris and retrieved it. Or that stuff may never have been in the Toyota. The evidence may have simply come from his own clothes and shoes.
I kind of wonder if her body was only ever in her own vehicle and that might be where he used the altered plates. I’m sure LE has a ton of evidence we haven’t even imagined.

The timeline derived from captured photographs make a clean-up like that unlikely. The AWs contain very specific information about Dulos's activities, so I think that is a strong basis for how things went down. I don't believe there is any doubt by LE that Jennifer was in that Tacoma at some point after her murder. In fact, MT admitted as much in her statement to LE that is contained verbatim in AW2.

Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion but I have zero doubt that this was a cold, calculated and premeditated murder. Ask yourself just one question. If Dulos just wanted to steal something and things went horribly, why did he leave his phone at home in Farmington before traveling to New Canaan? Surely, for that long of a trip, he would want his phone. No, he deliberately left it there to create a false alibi, which is itself evidence of premeditation. There is much more evidence like this particular piece, but I have no doubt this was a planned murder. MOO!MOO!

 

[happyperson]

Thank you happyperson, that’s really interesting and informative.


And is it possible to identify a point at the bottom of the cliff that correlates with either 4 JX or the Deercliff property?

Thanks again!

So that cliff doesn’t continue all the way through, just showing the terrain. Thats one of the boulders (probably the size of a small house) and they are pretty much all over the mountain. When I was following the GPS the closest area to JC from the large path was an entrance to a very small path, a picture I just posted above.

 

[CTGrammy]

DBM.

 

[oceancalling]

Intention may have been to enter the house as soon as she left with the kids. He may have intended to do something fast and early to reduce chance of housekeeping or nanny stopping by. His timing could also have been influenced by opportunity to sneak out of the house and get back with EE’s truck before anyone noticed. It would be interesting to know if he was expected anywhere that morning and missed appointments. He could have used and hidden that vehicle to reduce chances of being recognized. He also could have done it early to avoid busier traffic and chance of being seen.
The entire thing could be a burglary gone wrong. Where did he get the psych report and medical bills? It would be interesting to find out if there are communications from the divorce or Farber cases where attorney suggests they’d have a stronger case if only they had evidence of _____.

He would still be guilty of murder under the felony murder rule as the murder was committed in the act of a burglary. I don't think the evidence supports this theory, but it still results in a murder conviction.

 

[oceancalling]

one thing that kinda confuses me and have not seen mentioned is the different lengths of FD's hair. the first pictures i can remember seeing of him at arrest he had very short hair, almost looked sorta bald. then the AW had a picture with medium length business type cut, was that just an available drivers license photo.? and it seems now he has let it grow out. so it has occurred to me that he normally wore the business cut then for some reason cut it very short around the time that JD disappeared and now has gone back to the hair grown out. usually, in my personal experience guys at his age develop a look and keep it and have got to have a good reason to drastically change it. whatever it was does not seem to me to be permanent change since it now is growing out. only thing i could come up with is he did not want long hair when he met JD that day. i'm thinking maybe if he was wearing a mask it would fit tighter on the scalp or if not wearing a mask it would serve to surprise and distract JD or if someone else along the way would serve to perhaps be harder to identify him because he does tend to look somewhat different with the short hair. i can't get past the hair lengths, big question mark for me. i wonder if anyone asked him.

I think we can answer question that with 3 letters-DNA.

 

[oviedo]

I can’t be here much but had a thought and didn’t want to lose it - trying to figure out the timeline still - EE was driving Fore groups Jeep on 5/31 - where were the other vehicles ? Tacoma - raptor? What was FD driving and why? Not sure if it lends anything to this but it seems odd that he would be using the Jeep rather than the Raptor? Wonder why? JMO

 

[afitzy]

@afitzy

-on the google map there is the line/path going through the map, is this the trail that you sent us pictures of? Or is it the power lines?

-from google maps the line is one of the paths, it it stone covered ( one of the pictures I posted shows this exact path- about 8-10 feet wide, grey crushed stone)

@thekirbyfamily posted her google map and there was this green dashed line we were trying to figure out what it was.

Green dashed line is the same crushed stone path

-on your hike did you stay on the trail exclusively and was that what you said was challenging OR did you go off trail and tried the woods and that what was challenging?

I did go off trail a bit but it’s ALMOST impossible to get from JC straight to reservoir ...many fallen trees, large boulders, small cliffs.

-would it be possible based on what you saw for FD/MT to go through the woods from 4Jx or do you think the post likely path was via the path?

I don’t think they would risk going on the path. It would have been a nice Friday afternoon, to easy to be spotted by someone, IMO. I think they would have to cut through the woods, but as I stated it really would have been hard if not impossible.

-how does one get from 4Jx to the established path that you had a picture of? Would FD/MT have had to walk through brush and woods to get to the path or is there an easier way.

So the power lines basically back up to JC. I did see a very small path that led in that direction but I can’t say for sure where it ended. I had my 4yo with me and the stroller wouldn’t have went up that path. I’ll post a picture of the small path below.

-did you see much poison ivy?
I did not, but would not be surprised if it was all around. It’s like a jungle back there!

-how easy is it for a person to get close to the reservoir 3 to toss something in? many reservoirs have very rocky perimeters to keep people away. Do you see that it was doable for FD/MT to access Reservoir 3 on foot and while carrying something that might have been heavy toss it into the reservoir?

So one side of the reservoir has a paved path that runs along it. You can walk right up to the water. The left side (closest to JC) has woods that runs right up to the water. Today, there were hundreds of people on that paved path. Even a Friday afternoon I’m sure it would have been pretty busy. I guess it’s possible they could have thrown something in the left side of reservoir through the woods, but then they would have been exposed of being seen by people on the paved path.

-I've looked for depth maps for the Reservoirs and haven't been successful. From looking at the water were you able to get a sense of depth at all?

Basically like a lake, initially shallow but likely really deep in the middle. No swimming or boats allowed though, so anything that was disposed wouldn’t be too deep.

IMO she may be in those dense woods, buried in a Pre-dug grave, but not in the actual water

Thank you so much!

Incredibly helpful and the people 'traffic' info was super helpful too. The area people are lucky to have such a beautiful resource and it looks very well maintained too in terms of the pathways.

Your idea about the pre dug grave in the dense woods makes alot of sense as I agree with you that based on your photos that making it through the woods from 4Jx to the reservoir 3 would have been a rough trek!

I really wonder though if LE would have put divers into the water of reservoir 3 if there wasn't something that the cadaver dogs hit in terms of scent. Guess on my part and I'm not sure if my assumption on this issue is correct at all. I wonder how much time LE spent with the dogs in the wooded areas to possibly test out the @happyperson idea of the predug gravesite? Those woods look very dense so doing much searching would have been difficult. In contrast Waveny is much less dense and we saw how long even those searches took LE.

Great work, thank you!

MOO

 

[Mimi in London]

one thing that kinda confuses me and have not seen mentioned is the different lengths of FD's hair. the first pictures i can remember seeing of him at arrest he had very short hair, almost looked sorta bald. then the AW had a picture with medium length business type cut, was that just an available drivers license photo.? and it seems now he has let it grow out. so it has occurred to me that he normally wore the business cut then for some reason cut it very short around the time that JD disappeared and now has gone back to the hair grown out. usually, in my personal experience guys at his age develop a look and keep it and have got to have a good reason to drastically change it. whatever it was does not seem to me to be permanent change since it now is growing out. only thing i could come up with is he did not want long hair when he met JD that day. i'm thinking maybe if he was wearing a mask it would fit tighter on the scalp or if not wearing a mask it would serve to surprise and distract JD or if someone else along the way would serve to perhaps be harder to identify him because he does tend to look somewhat different with the short hair. i can't get past the hair lengths, big question mark for me. i wonder if anyone asked him.

Hi dkr,

You’re not the only one who can’t get past the hair! It’s been the subject of discussion, and the object of some fun, here regularly.

There was their first court appearance, where it appeared Michi also had a shaved patch on her head. There’s been a comparison to his FB photos. There have been his friends’ reactions to his then-new buzz cut on FB and his probable excuse that it makes him more aerodynamic when water-skiing. Then there’s the timing of the cut in relation to his Freudian slip re leaving DNA behind at Jennifer’s house.

Are these threads key-word-searchable? If so, search ‘buzz cut’ and enjoy.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Was @Midwestmom2019 your stalker, @thekirbyfamily ?

Lol!!!

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Hi dkr,

You’re not the only one who can’t get past the hair! It’s been the subject of discussion, and the object of some fun, here regularly.

There was their first court appearance, where it appeared Michi also had a shaved patch on her head. There’s been a comparison to his FB photos. There have been his friends’ reactions to his then-new buzz cut on FB and his probable excuse that it makes him more aerodynamic when water-skiing. Then there’s the timing of the cut in relation to his Freudian slip re leaving DNA behind at Jennifer’s house.

Are these threads key-word-searchable? If so, search ‘buzz cut’ and enjoy.

They are searchable that way!

 

[HopeForTheBest]

While I do applaud the EE for doing everything he did to preserve evidence for LE etc, I kind of can’t believe he didn’t put two and two together when the news of JD being missing was put on 5/25. Like it doesn’t take a MENSA member to connect the dots and have an oh s$&@! moment at that point. Can you imagine if he reached out to LE then? Before the car wash? Would have been a treasure trove of forensic evidence. Damn. Probably still worried about losing his job at that point if he snitched on FD. MOO.

I think no matter who your boss was, unless you’d seen him murdering someone before maybe, it would be a psychological leap to believe entirely that he would do what he did. I can see him hoping she turned up that night or in a day because it just would be hard to think someone you knew and worked with, especially someone you saw as still very well off, educated, with kids, and it’s be hard to think he’d want to risk all of that on something so crazy and awful. At the same time, he knew FD and knew that if he did report him right then and she did turn up, FD would probably sue him and hound him forever. Maybe not. Just MOO.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

@afitzy

-on the google map there is the line/path going through the map, is this the trail that you sent us pictures of? Or is it the power lines?

-from google maps the line is one of the paths, it it stone covered ( one of the pictures I posted shows this exact path- about 8-10 feet wide, grey crushed stone)

@thekirbyfamily posted her google map and there was this green dashed line we were trying to figure out what it was.

Green dashed line is the same crushed stone path

-on your hike did you stay on the trail exclusively and was that what you said was challenging OR did you go off trail and tried the woods and that what was challenging?

I did go off trail a bit but it’s ALMOST impossible to get from JC straight to reservoir ...many fallen trees, large boulders, small cliffs.

-would it be possible based on what you saw for FD/MT to go through the woods from 4Jx or do you think the post likely path was via the path?

I don’t think they would risk going on the path. It would have been a nice Friday afternoon, to easy to be spotted by someone, IMO. I think they would have to cut through the woods, but as I stated it really would have been hard if not impossible.

-how does one get from 4Jx to the established path that you had a picture of? Would FD/MT have had to walk through brush and woods to get to the path or is there an easier way.

So the power lines basically back up to JC. I did see a very small path that led in that direction but I can’t say for sure where it ended. I had my 4yo with me and the stroller wouldn’t have went up that path. I’ll post a picture of the small path below.

-did you see much poison ivy?
I did not, but would not be surprised if it was all around. It’s like a jungle back there!

-how easy is it for a person to get close to the reservoir 3 to toss something in? many reservoirs have very rocky perimeters to keep people away. Do you see that it was doable for FD/MT to access Reservoir 3 on foot and while carrying something that might have been heavy toss it into the reservoir?

So one side of the reservoir has a paved path that runs along it. You can walk right up to the water. The left side (closest to JC) has woods that runs right up to the water. Today, there were hundreds of people on that paved path. Even a Friday afternoon I’m sure it would have been pretty busy. I guess it’s possible they could have thrown something in the left side of reservoir through the woods, but then they would have been exposed of being seen by people on the paved path.

-I've looked for depth maps for the Reservoirs and haven't been successful. From looking at the water were you able to get a sense of depth at all?

Basically like a lake, initially shallow but likely really deep in the middle. No swimming or boats allowed though, so anything that was disposed wouldn’t be too deep.

IMO she may be in those dense woods, buried in a Pre-dug grave, but not in the actual water

Just amazing work you guys there do! I wondered if he’d put her there at night, like with an ATV and drag bag. No idea! MOO. You guys are brave, amazing, and great photographers, too!

 

[afitzy]

I can’t be here much but had a thought and didn’t want to lose it - trying to figure out the timeline still - EE was driving Fore groups Jeep on 5/31 - where were the other vehicles ? Tacoma - raptor? What was FD driving and why? Not sure if it lends anything to this but it seems odd that he would be using the Jeep rather than the Raptor? Wonder why? JMO

@oviedo, Agree with you. It seems like it would have been easier to move the Porsche seats using a pickup rather than a Cherokee. Maybe FD didn't use the Raptor to move things and it was a driving around vehicle and not a work vehicle? IDK. The vehicle movements between 4Jx and 80MS have been somewhat analyzed but not fully. Its tough because in the arrest warrant its not clear how people get from Pt a to Pt b clearly. We just see people showing up. EE showing up the Cherokee is an example of this situation as you point out.

Vehicle list a/o 4/24/19:
-EE Red Tacoma
-FD Black Raptor - think usually driven by FD
-White Cherokee - think usually driven by MT
-Porsche Cayenne - supposedly non operational
-Believe there is another Toyota truck that belongs to FD
[UNCLEAR WHEN THE MT RENTAL TAHOE ENTERS THE PICTURE]

Where was the Cherokee and how did EE get the keys?

Where was the Porsche that EE said he took the 2 seats out of for the Red Truck?

How did MT get from 4Jx to 80MS?

Where did MT go when she took the EE keys out of the Red Truck?

How did FD get from 4Jx to 80MS?

Did FD walk back and forth between the 2 properties at any time?

Did MT drive with FD back and forth to 4Jx from 80MS?

Did FD and MT leave 80MS at any time?

Were any of the vehicles parked at 585 Sturbridge?

When did the Raptor make it to 80MS?

Did FD and MT load the bags at 80MS and did they ask EE for help with the loading?

Which vehicle was used by FD and MT to drive to Westport to meet with Atty Bowman?

MOO

 

[afitzy]

one thing that kinda confuses me and have not seen mentioned is the different lengths of FD's hair. the first pictures i can remember seeing of him at arrest he had very short hair, almost looked sorta bald. then the AW had a picture with medium length business type cut, was that just an available drivers license photo.? and it seems now he has let it grow out. so it has occurred to me that he normally wore the business cut then for some reason cut it very short around the time that JD disappeared and now has gone back to the hair grown out. usually, in my personal experience guys at his age develop a look and keep it and have got to have a good reason to drastically change it. whatever it was does not seem to me to be permanent change since it now is growing out. only thing i could come up with is he did not want long hair when he met JD that day. i'm thinking maybe if he was wearing a mask it would fit tighter on the scalp or if not wearing a mask it would serve to surprise and distract JD or if someone else along the way would serve to perhaps be harder to identify him because he does tend to look somewhat different with the short hair. i can't get past the hair lengths, big question mark for me. i wonder if anyone asked him.

FO and his hair (or lack thereof) has been a source of MUCH discussion and debate.

Many think it was 'oddly coincidental' that at the JD missing date that FD was for lack of a better description totally shaved down like a puppy that had fleas! Not a hair anywhere according to those that commented intensely on this topic. Waterskiing was given as the 'reason' for this 'shave down' but it wasn't really the season yet in CT and the spring was quite chilly. Many dismissed the 'water skiing angle' for the 'shave down' and instead renamed the 'shave down' the 'murder cut' to reduce the chances of forensic transfer issues.

We then have FD during the 'orange jumpsuit phase' where it appears he didn't have access to Rogaine or whatever he took to make his hair grow and there is clear evidence of male pattern baldness. FD was for the most part still bald upon leaving BPT jail.

We then have the FD 'out of the orange jumpsuit phase' where it appears that the Rogaine or supplements are back and we see hair growing on the top of the head, face and arms etc. FD seemed back to being a 'hairy monster' during this phase.

Latest look seen in court. Evolution of the 'hairy monster' look but with removal of facial hair.

So, FD seems to have made a full circle on the 'hair front'....

I'm not sure what to believe but I do think that it was too much of a coincidence that the "totally shaved aka murder look" took place at the exact same time as the 'missing date'.

MOO

 

[oceancalling]

Because EE Insisted on taking his Red Toyota Truck that Friday and it was Tuesday the next week before EE returned to work, due to the holiday weekend.

So, FO did not have access to EE's Red Truck until Tuesday.


Don't forget that LE has Jennifer's cell phone pinging straight from 69WL to Waveney Park at Lapham. FO did not detour on his way TO Waveney. After? Possibly.

@oviedo, Agree with you. It seems like it would have been easier to move the Porsche seats using a pickup rather than a Cherokee. Maybe FD didn't use the Raptor to move things and it was a driving around vehicle and not a work vehicle? IDK. The vehicle movements between 4Jx and 80MS have been somewhat analyzed but not fully. Its tough because in the arrest warrant its not clear how people get from Pt a to Pt b clearly. We just see people showing up. EE showing up the Cherokee is an example of this situation as you point out.

Vehicle list a/o 4/24/19:
-EE Red Tacoma
-FD Black Raptor - think usually driven by FD
-White Cherokee - think usually driven by MT
-Porsche Cayenne - supposedly non operational
-Believe there is another Toyota truck that belongs to FD
[UNCLEAR WHEN THE MT RENTAL TAHOE ENTERS THE PICTURE]

Where was the Cherokee and how did EE get the keys?

Where was the Porsche that EE said he took the 2 seats out of for the Red Truck?

How did MT get from 4Jx to 80MS?

Where did MT go when she took the EE keys out of the Red Truck?

How did FD get from 4Jx to 80MS?

Did FD walk back and forth between the 2 properties at any time?

Did MT drive with FD back and forth to 4Jx from 80MS?

Did FD and MT leave 80MS at any time?

Were any of the vehicles parked at 585 Sturbridge?

When did the Raptor make it to 80MS?

Did FD and MT load the bags at 80MS and did they ask EE for help with the loading?

Which vehicle was used by FD and MT to drive to Westport to meet with Atty Bowman?

MOO

Wouldn't it be great if we learn Dulos instructed the EE to use the Jeep to move those seats? That would be an indication Dulos didn't want those seats anywhere near his Raptor. That observation is the kind of pearl prosecutors look for to establish consciousness of guilt. I am sure LE has asked EE how he came to use the Jeep and we will hear the answer at trial.

 

[enelram]

Wow! Thanks. Those pictures are so helpful, as is everything you local folks have posted. It really allows us to understand the type of terrain LE is dealing with. It also makes me think Dulos followed those power lines, and question how he could move a body down there by himself. We don't have enough information about MT to know, but if he acted alone during that part of the crime, the physical logistics make that location a difficult burial site. On the other hand, why is LE still looking if it knows Jennifer's remains ended up at MIRA?

Regarding your last question- why is LE still looking if they know JD's remains ended up at MIRA?
my opinion- In talking w/ a local I was told
initially LE did not want to pursue the tip(s)
of witnesses seeing FD around the reservoir
w/ backpack and shovel. there was some
contention from top guy about proceeding
with these searches. But eventually there was so much flack they were forced to do the searches. It seems they did so reluctantly and
not early on when the tip(s) came in, it was only after others complained.

 

[enelram]

Wouldn't it be great if we learn Dulos instructed the EE to use the Jeep to move those seats? That would be an indication Dulos didn't want those seats anywhere near his Raptor. That observation is the kind of pearl prosecutors look for to establish consciousness of guilt. I am sure LE has asked EE how he came to use the Jeep and we will hear the answer at trial.

excellent perception, I must say. Why didn't I think of that?
I'm sure by now LE has this whole debacle
written out in full and their timeline is probably totally filled too.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

yeah agree, WS'ers are learning how to solve cases
by hard thinking. I think we could make a great investigative team w/ just a little tweaking and oTJ how to's.
Amazes me everyday the smarts we have in this group who randomly came together.
Would love to sit in on real detective training
and learn what we've missed in a case like this.
Wonder where real life detectives fit on an IQ
scale? Are they average? above average? or
simply trained in following a path of instructions and clues?

Maybe also really good critical thinkers since there are different ways to be intelligent or gifted. MOO. I think, too, the more you do anything, the more you develop that sense of seeing and knowing things that others who are less experienced don’t. Kind of like looking at X-rays at first. MOO.