Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #25

[citygirl]

Wonderfully stated....the imagery is brilliant!

My great fear is that NP may be just the right kind of guy to sway that juror who is disgusted with folks who do things "the formal, the right way," picking on normal folks in the courtroom. IMO, those same type of individuals and the Jose Baez "schucks, folks delivery" appealed to some of the jurors who perceived the prosecution as too "uppity" in the CA trial. Norm's appeal will be that we have a hardworking, good-looking (by some standards) immigrant who was building a dream, and it was destroyed by his ultra-rich, STBEX and her family.

NP "sounds" smart and appears to "know what he is talking about." It's all in the delivery. He's fighting for the little fellow...his rights and freedom. None of should under estimate what could happen in a trial.

IMO, the state is going to face a difficult challenge if their evidence doesn't come up with a murder weapon, a body, or proof that FD was at JD's that morning OR they can find verification that FD was driving the Tacoma. It appears that the object of FD's infatuation may be up for a character assassination by the defense.

AW2 looks good to all of us...even indisputable. However, the standard for a murder conviction is very high, and a good defense lawyer can argue some valid points about what is missing. JMOO...MOO

(The truth of this is giving me an ulcer, BTW.)

Not to worry.That was Florida.
CT people are a whole different ball game.
I will just leave it at that. MOO.

 

[thekirbyfamily]

As I've said before, I found it suspicious when I first read about it on WS. The fire occurred in 2017, early in the morning. It was also in the barn that housed the horses used for Riding School, according to this article. "The most probable cause is accidental." I wonder if JD found it suspicious? MOO!

This farm is pretty good size with several buildings and houses on the property. I drove by it after the fire and could only see a tiny bit of smoke damage near the entrance to the barn which really surprised me considering the large loss of horses.

 

[citygirl]

One of my daughters works with the homeless and she said they would Definitely have taken the durable plastic mat.

The mat would be used as protection against a wet surface.

IMO.

But why dispose of it? The mat I imagine was porous enough to retain blood.The durable plastic mat could be hosed down.
What am I missing?

 

[CTGrammy]

It doesn't.We just think he is kinda wittle.
Seems his wife was prolly 3 inches taller even when he wore Cuban Heels.
Yikes! Just read she was only 5'4'' and 117 lbs!
This can't be right?
MOO.

Not sure if FO is wearing his platform shoes in the first picture.

FO is definitely shorter than most of the people in the next picture.

 

[citygirl]

In a Heavy article dated June 7, 2019, it states that JD is a slim 5’7” tall.

There ya go.
He's 5'4'' or 5'5" IMO.

 

[CTGrammy]

What! He would be only 5'1"! Are there pics of them together?

Just posted one.

 

[aaron44]

Great! We have web sleuthing to do—no time for poison ivy!

Sorry. Been away so missed this discussion. The poison ivy is key to the case. In looking at AW2 and the Gray YouTube, FD drove the EE Red Tacoma and left it at the turn out on the west side of Lapham Road heading north (opposite direction). This would allow him to get out on the left side without being seen and head into the woods to travel through the compost site to the train tracks to Weed Street to get to Indian Waters into the back yard of JD house on Welles. The ivy in that area grows like vines up around trees and shrubs and not just along the ground so it is very easy to get it on ones arms. I used to get it every July on the Family Fourth in Waveny Park for the fireworks.

With the Tacoma parked north on Lapham coming from Talmadge Hill via South Avenue or Old Stamford exits off of the Merritt Parkway it would be easiest for the Suburban to come in from the north on Old Stamford Rd and pull behind the Tacoma and transfer. JD cellphone was taken through the trails to set up the jogging and abduction theory (which I had in the beginning). There was significant "electronic" search of the area by LE.

Unless he turned around, the Tacoma would have left heading north to Old Stamford left to get to the Merritt Parkway to get caught on camera heading north.

What I am struggling with is if this is where the transfer occurred, why was the Suburban moved to a different spot on Lapham from where the Tacoma was recorded on camera?? MOO........

 

[waldojabba]

But why dispose of it? The mat I imagine was porous enough to retain blood.The durable plastic mat could be hosed down.
What am I missing?

The carpet/mat was from JD’s suburban. He used it IMO in some fashion to help transport the body back up to Farmington.
Once the mat served its purpose he got rid of it so there was no possibility it could tie him back to the suburban he left on Lapham Rd in New Canaan 70 miles away. That left no possibility of trace evidence even if it was the plastic/ heavy rubber all weather mat vs carpet type.

 

[oceancalling]

Wonderfully stated....the imagery is brilliant!

My great fear is that NP may be just the right kind of guy to sway that juror who is disgusted with folks who do things "the formal, the right way," picking on normal folks in the courtroom. IMO, those same type of individuals and the Jose Baez "schucks, folks delivery" appealed to some of the jurors who perceived the prosecution as too "uppity" in the CA trial. Norm's appeal will be that we have a hardworking, good-looking (by some standards) immigrant who was building a dream, and it was destroyed by his ultra-rich, STBEX and her family.

NP "sounds" smart and appears to "know what he is talking about." It's all in the delivery. He's fighting for the little fellow...his rights and freedom. None of should under estimate what could happen in a trial.

IMO, the state is going to face a difficult challenge if their evidence doesn't come up with a murder weapon, a body, or proof that FD was at JD's that morning OR they can find verification that FD was driving the Tacoma. It appears that the object of FD's infatuation may be up for a character assassination by the defense.

AW2 looks good to all of us...even indisputable. However, the standard for a murder conviction is very high, and a good defense lawyer can argue some valid points about what is missing. JMOO...MOO

(The truth of this is giving me an ulcer, BTW.)

Jurors get it wrong sometimes. After all, jurors are human and sometimes important evidence is not allowed in or is misconstrued. High publicity trial result are also a horse of a different color, which is why Pattis is intentionally keeping this case in the limelight.

Still, I think this case can be prosecuted without a body or a murder weapon. While it is not common to prosecute a case like this, it is not unheard of either. The key is to present the case in such a way that the inevitable conclusion can only be one of guilt.

LE will get more evidence IMO. Whether we like it or not, MT can help herself and help convict Dulos with truthful testimony. EE's testimony will also fill in the blanks of that day and beyond. I remain hopeful.

 

[MollyDDD]

Wonderfully stated....the imagery is brilliant!

My great fear is that NP may be just the right kind of guy to sway that juror who is disgusted with folks who do things "the formal, the right way," picking on normal folks in the courtroom. IMO, those same type of individuals and the Jose Baez "schucks, folks delivery" appealed to some of the jurors who perceived the prosecution as too "uppity" in the CA trial. Norm's appeal will be that we have a hardworking, good-looking (by some standards) immigrant who was building a dream, and it was destroyed by his ultra-rich, STBEX and her family.

NP "sounds" smart and appears to "know what he is talking about." It's all in the delivery. He's fighting for the little fellow...his rights and freedom. None of should under estimate what could happen in a trial.

IMO, the state is going to face a difficult challenge if their evidence doesn't come up with a murder weapon, a body, or proof that FD was at JD's that morning OR they can find verification that FD was driving the Tacoma. It appears that the object of FD's infatuation may be up for a character assassination by the defense.

AW2 looks good to all of us...even indisputable. However, the standard for a murder conviction is very high, and a good defense lawyer can argue some valid points about what is missing. JMOO...MOO

(The truth of this is giving me an ulcer, BTW.)

OMG... I’m so worried now.

 

[afitzy]

Excellent thoughts.

I actually look forward to seeing How NP will be throwing everyone under the bus.

I am not sure that FO's ego will survive the 'poor downtrodden immigrant little fella' persona strategy that NP will be serving in court.

I doubt that NP using the 'I Have a Dream' type speech in relation to FO, will be effective with a CT jury.

I stand against NP and his antics, but we all have to admit that NP is Definitely Entertaining.

NP is the 'Gift That Keeps on Giving'.

IMO.

In thinking about your question of, "How NP will be throwing everyone under the bus", I recalled these 'vintage' statements from Pattisville made after the most recent arrest.

What is amusing about watching Pattis in action was that these 'statements' made it to the Press shortly after FD was known to have been picked up at taken to Troop G in BPT and its not even clear to me whether Pattis himself had read the warrant prior to issuing the second statement. So, by my estimation the statements might have been preset and ready to be sent off to the media. My guess is that these statements might just indicate the path that No Case Norm is heading down in the case.

CT State Police release new details, photos in the arrest of Fotis Dulos

Quote from article:

Fotis' lawyer Norm Pattis released the following statement after state police released the arrest warrant:

"It is difficulty to see why the state waited for months to serve this warrant. It was unnecessary. Apparently, Michelle has changed her tune and a handyman is telling tales to deflect attention himself. We wish the state police spent more time looking for Jennifer and less trying to build a case against Fotis. We will plead not guilty to these charges next week in Norwalk."

Prior to the release of the arrest warrant, Pattis released the following statement:

"Based on what I’ve been told, the warrant is another circumstantial jab at the wrong man. The decision to arrest him again and require him to post another enormous bond is punitive and intended to break his will to fight. Read my lips: we’re neither bending nor breaking.”

MOO

 

[oceancalling]

Smart thinking Rosiebones.
The kids, nanny, Jennifer's mum would know if the rug, usually remained in Jennifer's car.
Also, the rug could have come from Jennifer's home/garage, all pointing to a connection, with the murder/disposal scene.

Now further thoughts, could the rug have been from the employee's truck, or one that FD possessed?
If only this rug was recovered, and tested for DNA: the results may point where the rug initially came from.
MOO.

LE has specifically said this mat is missing from Jennifer's Suburban. Although it did not disclose which mat, we had previously discussed here why we believed the rear cargo mat was the missing mat. LE also specifically said this Dulos left this mat leaning against a building on Albany Avenue. HE clearly wanted that mat gone, and to our knowledge it has not been recovered. LE must believe Dulos used this mat in connection with Jennifer's murder. Transportation of her body is a reasonable conclusion. Otherwise, it doesn't make much sense to remove that mat from the SUV.

 

[afitzy]

It doesn't.We just think he is kinda wittle.
Seems his wife was prolly 3 inches taller even when he wore Cuban Heels.
Yikes! Just read she was only 5'4'' and 117 lbs!
This can't be right?
MOO.

The JD missing poster used by NCPD had height at 5'8. But I've seen other descriptions of her being 5'9" too.

Search continues for Jennifer Dulos, estranged husband to appear in court this week

In pictures my guess is that JD might have been 1" or so taller than the petite prince FD. Its truly hard to tell but in so many of the photos I've seen, JD does appear taller than FO and she seemed to usually be wearing flats and he was either wearing his 'lifter boots' we saw at one of the court appearances or running shoes similar to what we saw when he was jogging away from the press in the early days of this case.

MOO

 

[CTGrammy]

But why dispose of it? The mat I imagine was porous enough to retain blood.The durable plastic mat could be hosed down.
What am I missing?

IMO, the Mat was used to either cover JF or under JF in EE's Red Toyota Truck.

IF the mat was from JF's Suburban, then FO had no choice but to dispose of the mat.

FO could not keep the Mat, because that would be evidence of the crime in His possession.

FO could not drive 90+ minutes, all the way back to NC and put the newly cleaned Mat back into JF's Suburban.

FO's Only choice was to dispose of the Mat along with the other evidence.

It is possible that FO took the Mat solely on the basis that it was covered in blood, etc.

However, I do not think it prudent to take the Mat someplace for washing after moving JF to EE's Red Toyota Truck. It would be too much time wasted and too many opportunities for witnesses, especially if he went to a car wash and going back to 69WL was out of the question.

The Big Question is WHY the 'Trash Bin Odyssey of Stupidity Date Night' along the more than 4 mile stretch of Albany Avenue in the Hartford Area?

It has always been my thought that at minimum, FO was setting up his backup plan to point away from himself, in the event any evidence were to be found.

NP has already directed us to the 'Handy Man With Something to Hide'.

I and several WSers have had the belief that EE was the setup target if the 'Abducted While Jogging' scenario did not work.

IMO.

 

[oceancalling]

One of my daughters works with the homeless and she said they would Definitely have taken the durable plastic mat.

The mat would be used as protection against a wet surface.

IMO.

Homeless people will use just about any material made available to them. Given the information we have been provided, it is my view that the mat LE is looking for is the factory issue carpet cargo mat that comes with Suburbans. It is my opinion, and only my opinion, that if LE were looking for a different type of mat, it would have included that fact in its press release. I have no doubt we will eventually know the precise mat at issue.

 

[MemPat]

I don't see a homeless person lifting one of those ridged , stiff ,thick plastic mats to sleep on. I think it was the original carpet mat. The afore mentioned could be hosed down, IMO.

It's amazing to see that homeless people are extremely resourceful and can find a use for most anything.

A carpet mat might make a nice floor but a thick plastic one could become a roof.

I'm looking forward to seeing video of this one, whichever it is, in FD's hands and the recipient walking off with it.

I have faith that LE located it and has it in their evidence room.

 

[MemPat]

IMO, the Mat was used to either cover JF or under JF in EE's Red Toyota Truck.

IF the mat was from JF's Suburban, then FO had no choice but to dispose of the mat.

FO could not keep the Mat, because that would be evidence of the crime in His possession.

FO could not drive 90+ minutes, all the way back to NC and put the newly cleaned Mat back into JF's Suburban.

FO's Only choice was to dispose of the Mat along with the other evidence.

It is possible that FO took the Mat solely on the basis that it was covered in blood, etc.

However, I do not think it prudent to take the Mat someplace for washing after moving JF to EE's Red Toyota Truck. It would be too much time wasted and too many opportunities for witnesses, especially if he went to a car wash and going back to 69WL was out of the question.

The Big Question is WHY the 'Trash Bin Odyssey of Stupidity Date Night' along the more than 4 mile stretch of Albany Avenue in the Hartford Area?

It has always been my thought that at minimum, FO was setting up his backup plan to point away from himself, in the event any evidence were to be found.

NP has already directed us to the 'Handy Man With Something to Hide'.

I and several WSers have had the belief that EE was the setup target if the 'Abducted While Jogging' scenario did not work.

IMO.

Count me on that list!

Whether it was a well thought out Plan B or not, FD wanted to point a finger at EE.

Who knows how many more steps were in the Frame EE Script if he had only had the time?

And smart/scared EE blew holes in one of the major steps. (Sorry, FD....the best laid plans of mice and men....)

About the car mat - even if it was just used to cover up a bag holding parts of Jennifer, FD would have wanted to be rid of it in case there was leakage.

In the event of a traffic stop where a big plastic bag might have drawn attention, the mat would have shielded it by being thrown on top.

 

[oceancalling]

But why dispose of it? The mat I imagine was porous enough to retain blood.The durable plastic mat could be hosed down.
What am I missing?

This mat was used because he needed it. It's not like he took that mat to the scene, having preplanned which mat he wanted to take with him to Jennifer's murder. I think taking that mat from Jennifer's Suburban was one of the things Dulos did NOT plan. Was there too much blood? Was Jennifer too difficult to transport without it? Taking that mat tells LE that things did not go according to Dulos' plan IMO.

He got rid of the mat because he knew it had evidence on it, forensic evidence showing Jennifer's body had contact with it. He thought if he put it up against the building, it would be quickly taken; he was correct and that valuable piece of evidence disappeared. Given the area, LE seemed to be of the opinion that it may have been used by some of the neighbor's residents. I don't think there can be any dispute that LE believes it is a link to this murder.

The issue of carpet vs. rigid plastic goes to how he used this mat the day he murdered Jennifer. I have difficulty seeing how a rigid, plastic mat would have been helpful in either transporting or concealing Jennifer's body in the small cab of a Tacoma truck. It's possible, but does not seem likely. Also, if the mat were not standard issue, I believe LE would have disclosed that fact. Again, we have opinions about the composition of that mat, but LE knows exactly the type of mat it is looking for.

In the larger scheme of things, it would be great if LE got the mat back, but not having it is not going to be fatal to the State's case. It is one of those things that, in the absence of knowing how the investigation is progressing, raises more questions than it answers for us. Time will tell is my new motto.

 

[happyperson]

Any more reservoir activity today?

I was very interested in this as well. If those pink tags/ribbons I saw were related to the search in any way I would have think they would have cleaned them up if done? It’s not like they were there long, looked brand new and not weathered at all. There is a back entrance to the power lines and if they took this back entrance no one would even know they were there searching. IMO

 

[MemPat]

I was very interested in this as well. If those pink tags/ribbons I saw were related to the search in any way I would have think they would have cleaned them up if done? It’s not like they were there long, looked brand new and not weathered at all. There is a back entrance to the power lines and if they took this back entrance no one would even know they were there searching. IMO

Are you going back tomorrow to see what's up, happyperson?