Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #26

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MsBetsy said:
I had students who wore those ankle bracelets and from what I remember, they had to be in their house by 6:00 pm and could not leave their house before 6:00 am.

If they were one minute late, an alert would go off (on both ends) and they would have to call in and explain. I don't know if they had to call their probation officer or whoever was doing the monitoring but from what they said it was a pretty big deal if they were late. I never had anyone say that it happened four times and there weren't any consequences, though. Or that there were any problems with charging it.

It's probably different for every situation, and my students usually had been charged with theft, assault, or drugs so it may depend on the severity of the crime. Imo
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It's the lack of consequences, or what appear to be the lack of consequences. Either FD is the luckiest SOB, or this is the way it is across the board. Early on in the posting there were examples of how these devices fail. Monday cannot come soon enough for me!
 
dixiegirl1035 said:
Is anyone else other than NP saying "On Sept 20, family court judge tossed psych report that favored FD"

If they are sealed, and he knows they are sealed, could he just blurt out that the report favored FD, and that is not correct. Where else are we seeing that it favored FD?
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IMO this point you bring up is so so impt! We have seen Pattis and Rochlin repeat a subjective opinion about a report and make these comments in open court and also to the Press. Dave Alimari of the HC repeated these comments about the psych report almost verbatim to what Pattis said in court and so the public perception of FD behavior might have been shifted.

FD has a multi year history as a human being, father and husband that is very well documented IMO in Family Court documents for anyone that cares to take some time to read up. The issue is that most people won't take the time and so these carefully designed 'comments' and 'opinions' of Pattis and Rochlin make it into the public domain via people like Dave Alimari and the HC and then PRESTO we have people thinking that FD is someone very different from who is actually is.

My concern is that now with the gag order that we might see a shift to Pattis/Rochlin/Murray taking their PR campaign to the one place they can speak freely which is court. Its not just the 'open mike time' in court that is an issue as Pattisville can accomplish the same thing via motions filed in court IMO. For an example of this simply look at the recent motion to again bring up JD medical records. Pattisville knew that the motion would be made public and so they were able to accomplish with that motion IMO what they were not able to do now with the gag order which is bring further speculation to the public domain about JD. IMO this pattern of behavior by Pattis is cynical and has zero to do with getting a fair trial or seeking justice etc. I just hope Judge Blawie sees through these bush league tactics and shuts down the Pattisville circus as the tactics are absolutely transparent!

It was helpful to listen to the Pattis 'performance' in court again as it made clear to me that the comments from Pattis were for public press consumption rather than much of anything having to do with his dialog with the Judge.

I guess that Judge Blawie will just have to watch out for this obvious maneuvering of Pattisville folks around the gag order via using their 'air time' in court. Maybe cameras in the courtroom will be the next to go in the Judge Blawie courtroom if Pattisville continues to take their PR campaign to the airwaves via courtroom commentary. IDK. But its an issue and I just hope that Judge Blawie is on top of the situation as its concerning.

MOO
 
afitzy said:
IMO this point you bring up is so so impt! We have seen Pattis and Rochlin repeat a subjective opinion about a report and make these comments in open court and also to the Press. Dave Alimari of the HC repeated these comments about the psych report almost verbatim to what Pattis said in court and so the public perception of FD behavior might have been shifted.

FD has a multi year history as a human being, father and husband that is very well documented IMO in Family Court documents for anyone that cares to take some time to read up. The issue is that most people won't take the time and so these carefully designed 'comments' and 'opinions' of Pattis and Rochlin make it into the public domain via people like Dave Alimari and the HC and then PRESTO we have people thinking that FD is someone very different from who is actually is.

My concern is that now with the gag order that we might see a shift to Pattis/Rochlin/Murray taking their PR campaign to the one place they can speak freely which is court. Its not just the 'open mike time' in court that is an issue as Pattisville can accomplish the same thing via motions filed in court IMO. For an example of this simply look at the recent motion to again bring up JD medical records. Pattisville knew that the motion would be made public and so they were able to accomplish with that motion IMO what they were not able to do now with the gag order which is bring further speculation to the public domain about JD. IMO this pattern of behavior by Pattis is cynical and has zero to do with getting a fair trial or seeking justice etc. I just hope Judge Blawie sees through these bush league tactics and shuts down the Pattisville circus as the tactics are absolutely transparent!

It was helpful to listen to the Pattis 'performance' in court again as it made clear to me that the comments from Pattis were for public press consumption rather than much of anything having to do with his dialog with the Judge.

I guess that Judge Blawie will just have to watch out for this obvious maneuvering of Pattisville folks around the gag order via using their 'air time' in court. Maybe cameras in the courtroom will be the next to go in the Judge Blawie courtroom if Pattisville continues to take their PR campaign to the airwaves via courtroom commentary. IDK. But its an issue and I just hope that Judge Blawie is on top of the situation as its concerning.

MOO
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Thank you for so eloquently stating my belief, and beyond!

I wish that the media would get educated, as I am tiring of seeing headlines of " lying girlfriend" etc.
 
MemPat said:
Thanks for reading the manual and giving us the Cliff's Notes, Afitzy! We don't take your hard work on this case for granted.

Getting to stay in a McMansion for free, enjoying nature and eating fine food smacks of far too much freedom to me and if FD can't follow the simple rules that plopped him into these nice circumstances, it's time to jerk them out from under him!

Housing FD in the BPT jail can't cost much more than the GPS ankle bracelet and keeping a tail on him (which I believe to be happening)! Never mind the cost of repeated court sessions.
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One thing I forgot to mention in my OP on the bracelet was that all the materials used in the bracelet are designed to be hypoallergenic. So, its unlikely that allergic reason was the reason for FD complaining of "discomfort" with his ankle bracelet.

But the other post I read this morning talks about the proper installation of the bracelet on the ankle and perhaps this is why there might be some discomfort. I agree with that post that the FD bracelet might have been put on backwards or maybe upside down (not sure best way to describe it, but his bracelet doesn't look like the way its supposed to be based on the manual IMO). So, perhaps the Parole folks might take a look and make sure the bracelet was put on properly too.
 
dixiegirl1035 said:
Thank you for so eloquently stating my belief, and beyond!

I wish that the media would get educated, as I am tiring of seeing headlines of " lying girlfriend" etc.
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Absolutely! Huge issue in this case IMO as CT has a very concentrated ownership of print and TV media. We have seen some reporting from NY from NBC and NYP and Daily News too.

But then we had the early Sarah Wallace 'interview' that was simply IMO a 'PR Puff Piece' for FD and Pattisville and in no way a true 'interview' on any level. We will see how that Wallace 'interview strategy' plays out for Pattisville over time but my bet is that when FD isn't able to take the stand at trial that the Wallace interview will play out prominently!

Forgot who it was on here that coined the phrase 'reposting' to describe the process of a reporter simply repeating in print or on air a subjective piece of information that is told to them verbatim so that it looks 'like a fact', but its not actually many times really any such thing. But to me this phrase 'reposting' so perfectly describes so much of what has sadly been seen from the press in this case.

I've tried to point out some of the reporting where I thought that the reporter spent the time and did the hard and super valuable work of investigative reporting and created a narrative.

IMO time and time again these kinds of articles have come from Michael Dinan and I very much appreciate the hard work put into the research of his articles on the topic of FD finances and the Dulos case in Family Court.

Sadly I don't have great expectations that the press situation will change in this case. But I do thing our collective awareness of the situation will serve us well. Anymore I am just glad when the press posts documents from court in a timely fashion as I don't think its realistic anymore to expect them to analyze or even explain the situation.

MOO MOO MOO!
 
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MsBetsy said:
I thought it was decided by a judge that they could not use the psych report that favored FD?
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Correct!

Judge Heller in Family Court ruling on this issue has placed a stake through the heart of this report and it has been stricken from the record in Family Court.

Here is the article from SA that discussed this issue. BUT NOTE that YET AGAIN we have a 'reposting' about the report 'being favorable'. This report has been sealed now for awhile by Judge Heller. So, IMO unless Pattis has been showing this report to reporters (not allowed BTW) or a reporter has read the report (not impossible but highly unlikely IMO) then there is ZERO way that I can see them able to make a statement as to whether or not the report 'favors' anybody.

Jennifer Dulos divorce: Judge tosses psych exam that favored Fotis Dulos

Quotes from article:

"A family court judge has stricken from the record testimony and a psychological evaluation report that Fotis Dulos’ attorneys touted as being favorable toward their client".

"Heller has ordered Herman’s testimony stricken from the record, ruled the hearings as a mistrial, since they were never completed, and required that his report remained sealed. Heller also noted in the order that anyone who reveals or releases the report could face sanctions or contempt of court". [BBM]
 
Tink56 said:
And, FD nobly explained on national television that indeed he has cooperated with LE. In fact, he even GAVE them his phone. (Of course, he forgot to mention the 5 others or so phones FORE group has or the burner phones he may have...just saying...)
From Interview:
"The police said I didn’t cooperate with them. I actually went there and gave them my phone, willingly.”
Jennifer Dulos disappearance: Fotis Dulos ‘hoping she’s going to show up’
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On June 18, NP filed a motion to get FDs “stuff” back from LE: his vehicles and 2 phones and computers.
We know FD gave his iPhone X to NCPD, with the passcode no less. (Was this a rookie mistake? Did he think had cleaned it up enough to give them?)

What is that 2nd phone that LE has? Is that MTs phone and they were on the same plan in FDs name, so it technically belongs to FD? (I am sure that FD was reimbursing both of their phones as a business expense).
Or did FD have another phone with incriminating information on it? Is that why he voluntarily gave the iPhone X to LE right in the beginning, along with the passcode, but refused to cooperate in any other way? He did refuse to consent to a search of his phone and they had to get a search warrant.
Was phone #2 MTs, and they got a warrant for her to give it to them? Did they find phone #2 at 4JC during the search on May 31?
Just wondering about this 2nd phone NP is asking to have returned.
 
Chicago54 said:
My 2cents on this -don’t know if it varies state to state, IME as a retired healthcare provider and divorce court user:

To set up a ‘my chart’ type acct, a code is usually given to the patient after appt for them to log on and set up username and password. Even if FD had known her Dr, he couldn’t go on and create acct just so he could view her info. However, since we know JD was going to unknown appts that morning, as I said before, she may have been carrying a medical file with her. If FD nabbed it out of her car, and that code was on paperwork, then he could have very easily set up an acct for her.

On EOBs: they are ONLY mailed to titled insurance holder. Ie, if FD were carrying insurance for the family, he would get EOBs. Even in a divorce, this holds. But IIRC, FD was not carrying insurance for the family. Therefore, any EOBs for in’s JD had purchased would go directly to her. MOO

Edit: now that I’m thinking more about this, I wonder if LE has checked her medical online accounts to see when and from what device they were set up. Seems too obvious. They must have.....
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@Chicago54 From your post:
However, since we know JD was going to unknown appts that morning, as I said before, she may have been carrying a medical file with her. If FD nabbed it out of her car, and that code was on paperwork, then he could have very easily set up an acct for her.

ITA! Would love to see Judge Blawie say, "Please bring your document into chambers and let me see what you have. You'll need to explain where and how your client came into ownership of this document."

You're right on, IMO, about a file to be taken with you to a Dr.'s appointment. It would be very interesting to know if any of JD's friends know if that was something she did regularly. And, LE has probably already interviewed those friends who may have been concerned about her health and weight loss as they were certainly aware that she had appointments in NYC.

Thanks for the good information and insights.
 
afitzy said:
One thing I forgot to mention in my OP on the bracelet was that all the materials used in the bracelet are designed to be hypoallergenic. So, its unlikely that allergic reason was the reason for FD complaining of "discomfort" with his ankle bracelet.

But the other post I read this morning talks about the proper installation of the bracelet on the ankle and perhaps this is why there might be some discomfort. I agree with that post that the FD bracelet might have been put on backwards or maybe upside down (not sure best way to describe it, but his bracelet doesn't look like the way its supposed to be based on the manual IMO). So, perhaps the Parole folks might take a look and make sure the bracelet was put on properly too.
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i'm someone who used to jog/run in years past and so looking at those monitors i could see how they might move up and down on the ankle during a jog/run and be uncomfortable. if they actually do move up and down during exercise question i have is given the presumption of innocence do these style monitors adversely burden the accused? i can relate to either yes/no as an answer. FD supposedly thinks a monitor on his wrist would be better. i think those would also be an issue during exercise. i use to wear a somewhat lose fitting watch during jogs and that thing would move up and down the wrist and it had nowhere near the mass/weight of a wrist monitor. too bad the state can not just implant a gps monitor chip in the his back.
 
sleuth66 said:
On June 18, NP filed a motion to get FDs “stuff” back from LE: his vehicles and 2 phones and computers.
We know FD gave his iPhone X to NCPD, with the passcode no less. (Was this a rookie mistake? Did he think had cleaned it up enough to give them?)

What is that 2nd phone that LE has? Is that MTs phone and they were on the same plan in FDs name, so it technically belongs to FD? (I am sure that FD was reimbursing both of their phones as a business expense).
Or did FD have another phone with incriminating information on it? Is that why he voluntarily gave the iPhone X to LE right in the beginning, along with the passcode, but refused to cooperate in any other way? He did refuse to consent to a search of his phone and they had to get a search warrant.
Was phone #2 MTs, and they got a warrant for her to give it to them? Did they find phone #2 at 4JC during the search on May 31?
Just wondering about this 2nd phone NP is asking to have returned.
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At one point someone posted a screen shot or link to a listing of the phones held in the name of FORE group. I can't find it now, but it seems that there were 3-4 phones which were probably given to employees for use while on the jobs (and beyond?).

Although the staff has certainly dwindled...only FD now...LE, again has probably talked with EE and knows about the company phones. If there were any burner phones, am sure they were trashed.
 
Jmoose said:
I believe that it [it being that the judge tossed the "psych exam that favored Fotis Dulos"] is only from his mouth-nobody else is saying that as far as we know.
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ITA. The only ones saying that are NP, FD and the sensationalist media that love to grab onto quotes like that, true or not. (That's precisely why NP says them - he plays the media; truth be damned!)

ETA: afitzy's comments on this on the previous 2 pages are great - so I might just delete this now that I'm totally caught up! :)
 
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Tink56 said:
At one point someone posted a screen shot or link to a listing of the phones held in the name of FORE group. I can't find it now, but it seems that there were 3-4 phones which were probably given to employees for use while on the jobs (and beyond?).

Although the staff has certainly dwindled...only FD now...LE, again has probably talked with EE and knows about the company phones. If there were any burner phones, am sure they were trashed.
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I wonder if law enforcement ever did a stingray interceptor?
 
Tink56 said:
I have ABC and don't get a bill, but I do get a summary of the charge and the amount insurance paid. If there are costs above the amount insurance covers, it is indicated on this summary. Then, I will get a billing from the medical facility or doctor.
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I have ABC too - and since I (like most people today) signed up for paperless notifications and billing, I only get bills online, and it takes months to get a bill from them after insurance is sorted out.
Chicago54 said:
He may have removed them from her car or purse. We know she had 2 appointments in the city that day, and she may have been taking them with her- in purse, tote, briefcase? I know when mine were little, in making lunches and packing my things up, I would often put my case, school needs etc, in the car the night before, so I wouldn’t be bothered with it in the morning. With 5 other people to feed, help dress, and get out the door, I’m betting she did an awful lot the night before, while they were asleep.
I know we’ve discussed JDs phone, but I don’t recall hearing anything about her purse.
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YES! I completely agree with this assessment by @Chicago54 - this is a very likely scenario - she could print out something to bring to someone for one of her appointments (did the kids know about her appointments?) or even for her own mother if she were the one paying the bills - but it's not likely it would be left out anywhere in the open (she'd not even want the kids to access it) or in the mail. IMO.
 
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Chicago54 said:
I’m just catching up in thread, a little while back when this pillow convo started, I thought it said pillows “found”. Were pillows actually ever “found”? I mentally put the pillow with DD, Mr Fudge and the knife in my bizarre items room of DA and HC.
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AFAIK the pillow was at least seen by the individual who found the knife. I don't think we know for certain more than that, but I'm sure LE does!

"A Hartford man claims he found a knife and bloody pillow near trash cans where evidence in the Jennifer Dulos case was recovered ...The man, who was not identified because he could be a witness in the case, claims he was rummaging through a trash can days after Dulos’ disappearance when he spotted a blue-and-white striped pillow, he recalled in an interview with the Hartford Courant. After removing the article from the trash, the man noticed it was saturated in blood. “It was about a quart of blood on the pillow, all over the pillow. I tell you, whoever got hurt got hurt real bad,” the man reportedly said. “I looked underneath and there was a knife under there.”

Excerpt from:
https://nypost.com/2019/08/03/blood...-jennifer-dulos-case-traded-for-crack-report/
 
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