Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #26

[DetectiveFoyleWannabe]

Grab a cup of coffee, citygirl! This is my story and I'm sticking to it (for now)!

I believe that past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior.

FD quickly moved on from Wife #1 to #2 Jennifer, a woman of wealth with access to huge trust funds which would only grow with each child, not to mention a father who would invest heavily in his dreams.

When the f-i-l died and the gravy train seemed to be ending, I believe FD behaved according to form and sought out a fellow grifter in #3 MT, someone who would help him drive Jennifer over the edge, getting him access to the trusts. Of course, the children were just necessary leverage to get those funds. (A guy's gotta' do what a guy's gotta' do.)

Because Jennifer had a support system (God bless GF!), she was finally able to surreptitiously get herself out from under FD's thumb, so he and his partner in crime (#3) had to maneuver doing away with her permanently.

For months they pondered the best way to do that without their involvement being obvious, a staged suicide being the perfect choice (thus eliminating the barrier between FD and the trust funds).

So the perfect plan was for FD to lie in wait at the house that morning.

Whoops! Jennifer fought back when FD tried to cut off her air supply in some way. I think she ran back toward her car and that he hit her with a blunt object. If we learn that the knife seen in Hartford was from her kitchen, he must have gone inside to get it to finish her off (leaving his DNA on the faucet with her blood).

Then things got hairy (pardon my pun since we know he had shaved himself). The suicide idea bit the dust with blood everywhere. Clean up had to happen and bloody stuff had to disappear, never mind what to do with Jennifer's obviously not-suicided body!

More detail-oriented and wiser WS posters have explained the details after this so I'll defer to them and
get back to your question.

Why do I think MT would have been in FD's rearview mirror? Why would he have planned to dump her?

Simply because her purpose had been served and she now brought little to the table. (Having knowledge of Jennifer's murder might put a kink in her longevity though, right?)

If FD gets off, he may gain access to the trust funds through the children, depending on how they're set up.
If he doesn't gain access, he'll move on and troll for #4. Watch your daughters!

If he's in jail, #4 will be drawn from a group of pathetic women, hybristophiliacs, who seek out prisoners online. She will send money to his commissary account, ensuring his access to Beanie Weenies and good soap.

ETA for your amusement:
“Hybristophilia” is a recognized psychiatric condition in which a person—usually a woman—experiences strong sexual desire for a man known for crimes that society considers repulsive. The “-philia” comes from a Greek word meaning “love for,” while “hybristo-“ is derived from Greek verb meaning “to commit an outrage against someone.”

Most definitely MOO.

Never thought about the garage as a place where he could have tried to have her “found” in an apparent suicide with car running. Of course he’s not so bright so he probably wouldn’t realize that if he choked her and then after the fact ran the car the coroner would be able to conclude that she was already dead before the CO2 could have been harmful. But I like this theory. Maybe he didn’t actually have a disposal place planned if he wanted an apparent suicide. Hmm.

 

[On It]

was reading over the media thread.

JD's house had security cameras.
they even seem to cover the driveway in front of the garage.
was anything ever said about them?

You never know maybe her cameras at Welles captured FD there and they haven’t arrested him yet hoping he would lead them to the body...one can only hope.

 

[DetectiveFoyleWannabe]

You never know maybe her cameras at Welles captured FD there and they haven’t arrested him yet hoping he would lead them to the body...one can only hope.

I wondered about this. Is that established? If so I would think they’d have him arrested by now and wouldn’t have had to piece together the bus cameras etc so painstakingly. But who knows. Maybe he shut the system down somehow. Hmm.

 

[Chicago54]

OK, thank you.

I added to my previous post to clarify the last part, per your info.

Per Chicago54's post (which I had quoted) I took for granted that it had been established that he wasn't allowed to have the children at his home.

ETA: According to the media, he was apparently allowed to see them every other weekend in addition to the Wednesdays and also would have seen them the very next day:
"Most recently he was spending time with them on Wednesdays and every other weekend and he was scheduled to see them on Memorial Day weekend, just one day after Jennifer was reported missing."
Blood found in New Canaan home, garage amid search for missing mom

Sorry if I wrote the post poorly and caused confusion! I was only referring to Wednesday; he was not allowed to have the children at his home on Wednesdays. The court order has visitation in NC on Wednesday. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess it was written this way because if he picked them up at home, drove to his house, and then returned them, the entire visit would have been in the car. I was clarifying why FD was at JDs house on May 22. I speculated that JD may have had him at the house to make it comfortable for the children. Some had speculated earlier that it was also to celebrate a “naming” day.

And yes, the new order gave him one day in NC and one in Farmington, when he had them for the weekend! But I was only talking about the Wednesday visit!! Sorry.

Edited to add my original post:
The court order gave him supervised visitation IN NC on Wednesdays. He was not allowed to have them at his home. I imagine JD went out of her way to make these visits as easy and “normal” for the children as possible.. Having Dad part of their normal routine is often advised. She probable planned the bbq for their comfort. FD also stated he played basketball with the kids. It sounds like she arranged a nice evening and left to let them share it alone.

 

[afitzy]

OK. Perhaps I fell for it. While the info about the knife seems credible, there is no proof it's true at all. It's just something that seems odd that a defense would bring up if it were NOT true, so - as much as I try to remain aloof to any sensationalism, I might have fallen for this as well.

We don't know if it's true, but then why would NP make it up - how would it help his client?

Well, putting myself into the mind of Pattisville is rough, but maybe if the murder weapon was a knife and No Case Norm knows the knife has gone into the wind on/around Albany and will never be found perhaps he thought it weakens the States case against FD as there is no body and no murder weapon. No Case Norm did say in court early on that his goal was to make sure that a murder charge was never filed. Just a guess and pure speculation. MOO

 

[Alathea]

Sorry if I wrote the post poorly and caused confusion! I was only referring to Wednesday; he was not allowed to have the children at his home on Wednesdays. The court order has visitation in NC on Wednesday. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess it was written this way because if he picked them up at home, drove to his house, and then returned them, the entire visit would have been in the car. I was clarifying why FD was at JDs house on May 22. I speculated that JD may have had him at the house to make it comfortable for the children. Some had speculated earlier that it was also to celebrate a “naming” day.

And yes, the new order gave him one day in NC and one in Farmington, when he had them for the weekend! But I was only talking about the Wednesday visit!! Sorry.

BBM No problem - I'm easily confused these days, haha! I'm just not clear/missed the written info that he definitely had visitation in Farmington - was it in a court doc?

 

[Alathea]

Well, putting myself into the mind of Pattisville is rough, but maybe if the murder weapon was a knife and No Case Norm knows the knife has gone into the wind on/around Albany and will never be found perhaps he thought it weakens the States case against FD as there is no body and no murder weapon. No Case Norm did say in court early on that his goal was to make sure that a murder charge was never filed. Just a guess and pure speculation. MOO

OK, now it's (the reason you doubt that info) making more sense.

 

[afitzy]

And may all prove to be true.

You are correct. My dilemma though is how much time do you spend on a speculative piece of information? Do you incorporate it into your murder theory? Does it deserve a place in your timeline?

Perhaps you give a knife possible murder weapon more weight as being possible due to the fact that FD came from a family of tanners and presumably could handle a knife.

I absolutely do not know the answers to any of these questions.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

Ah, I had wondered about that - it makes sense, as she was afraid of him. I'll bet AW3 will be full of photos from them!

When GH did his analysis of AW2 he took great pains I thought to identify the source of the AW photo based on where the camera was that took the picture. The Welles shots in AW2 came from a neighbours CCTV. So far as GF could tell there were no shots of Welles from any camera at Welles/security system etc. I found this interesting. We don't know if JD system had cameras (we suspect it did but we DON'T know) but yet LE didn't tip their hand on CCTV from Welles. Perhaps as others have said that this will be in AW3 or 4? IDK. MOO

 

[Alathea]

When GH did his analysis of AW2 he took great pains I thought to identify the source of the AW photo based on where the camera was that took the picture. The Welles shots in AW2 came from a neighbours CCTV. So far as GF could tell there were no shots of Welles from any camera at Welles/security system etc. I found this interesting. We don't know if JD system had cameras (we suspect it did but we DON'T know) but yet LE didn't tip their hand on CCTV from Welles. Perhaps as others have said that this will be in AW3 or 4? IDK. MOO

I'm hoping that if it is so, it's left out because it's related to the likely upcoming murder AW and not relative to the tampering with evidence charges.

MOO, of course.

 

[afitzy]

OK, now it's (the reason you doubt that info) making more sense.

Just to be clear, the reason I doubted it was because of the original source of the information not because I had any theory about murder weapon or Pattis etc. Someone asked why defence might have put out the story I believe and I was trying to answer that question.

I also initially discounted similar stories with Suburban mat, JD VV shirt and the other found items as we haven't seen them in the AW. On the VV shirt though it was interesting that Pattisville seemed to blame this 'leak' on JD family sources. With everything going on in this case in 3 courts etc. I'm struggling to figure out how much time to spend on the more 'speculative' aspects of the case? It seems like all involved have 'leaked' stories to the press.

Are these 'speculative' items important or are they being introduced as a distraction?

IDK.

MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

BBM. A knife attack seems likely IMO, particularly since they found "a knife," but I don't know most of the facts that LE know. It could have been a gun, or strangulation "gone wrong", for all I know - the knife could have been used after the fact, no?

I have not yet seen evidence or statements yet that claim "they believe the murder weapon was a knife," nor about 'cuts or tears in the shirt she was wearing" - please let me know if I missed something about this, as there is SO much info on this case. Thanks!

PS Not criticizing, just looking for clarification

Oh, sorry, I thought I read that LE believed a knife was used. I know there was one found and that LE does not have it, but I thought I read a post summarizing a document or an article that said police thought a knife was used in the attack. It wasn't an article that I read, just a summary, so I guess I could have thought it was stated as a fact. There is so much information in this case to remember.

That's why I was trying to think of reasons that they may have believed this.

I don't think I said they definitely found cuts in her shirt, just that maybe they could tell by the condition of the shirt if she had been stabbed.
Unless I'm wrong about that and they never found a shirt that belonged to her. Imo

 

[acutename]

....More detail-oriented and wiser WS posters have explained the details after this so I'll defer to them and
get back to your question.

Why do I think MT would have been in FD's rearview mirror? Why would he have planned to dump her?

Simply because her purpose had been served and she now brought little to the table. (Having knowledge of Jennifer's murder might put a kink in her longevity though, right?)

[/QUOTE]
SBM

FWIW, I think FD liked that MT was a ski athlete. JD, of necessity, or by nature, had become "Mom," taking care of the kids, being domestic, etc. MT could help him encourage his kids to excel in risky sports which JD was not even convinced were good. No guess here how long he might have wanted to "keep" MT or when he might have wanted to get rid of her as well, because he might wake up on any given day and have a new idea of love, beauty or success. IMO. Also, FWIW, when I see pictures of MT in court, I do not see regret or sorrow in her face- more like irritation that FD failed in his mission, and I do not get the impression that she has ever thought that she might be next. IMO.

 

[Love Never Fails]

....More detail-oriented and wiser WS posters have explained the details after this so I'll defer to them and
get back to your question.

Why do I think MT would have been in FD's rearview mirror? Why would he have planned to dump her?

Simply because her purpose had been served and she now brought little to the table. (Having knowledge of Jennifer's murder might put a kink in her longevity though, right?)

SBM

FWIW, I think FD liked that MT was a ski athlete. JD, of necessity, or by nature, had become "Mom," taking care of the kids, being domestic, etc. MT could help him encourage his kids to excel in risky sports which JD was not even convinced were good. No guess here how long he might have wanted to "keep" MT or when he might have wanted to get rid of her as well, because he might wake up on any given day and have a new idea of love, beauty or success. IMO. Also, FWIW, when I see pictures of MT in court, I do not see regret or sorrow in her face- more like irritation that FD failed in his mission, and I do not get the impression that she has ever thought that she might be next. IMO.[/QUOTE]
This is such a good post and exactly the way I see MT.

 

[MemPat]

....More detail-oriented and wiser WS posters have explained the details after this so I'll defer to them and
get back to your question.

Why do I think MT would have been in FD's rearview mirror? Why would he have planned to dump her?

Simply because her purpose had been served and she now brought little to the table. (Having knowledge of Jennifer's murder might put a kink in her longevity though, right?)

SBM

FWIW, I think FD liked that MT was a ski athlete. JD, of necessity, or by nature, had become "Mom," taking care of the kids, being domestic, etc. MT could help him encourage his kids to excel in risky sports which JD was not even convinced were good. No guess here how long he might have wanted to "keep" MT or when he might have wanted to get rid of her as well, because he might wake up on any given day and have a new idea of love, beauty or success. IMO. Also, FWIW, when I see pictures of MT in court, I do not see regret or sorrow in her face- more like irritation that FD failed in his mission, and I do not get the impression that she has ever thought that she might be next. IMO.[/QUOTE]
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FWIW from me too:

Not that I have an eye into FD's psyche (thank goodness!) but in light of how little thought he gave to the well-being of his children, I don't see him choosing a mistress for her sports-encouragement tendencies.

Taking a mistress in the first place seems the antithesis to caring for his children and wanting to move her in with their mother is off the charts bad for them in anyone's book.

Whether MT expected to be next I do not know but it might be just about time to wake up and smell the poison ivy!

MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

BBM. Totally agree except one small point: the homeless man (future witness) who said he found the knife and traded it for crack said (according to media, see below) it appeared to be a hunting knife/switchblade, which would be worth considerably more than a kitchen knife.

Most importantly, it clearly would be something FD would have brought with him only as part of a premeditated murder.

Hunting switchblade eyed as possible murder weapon in case of missing Conn. mom: report

Well, this article says that police "reportedly believe" that the knife found in the garbage was used in the murder.
So has it been clarified or not? Was it just the homeless person who reported that they thought the knife was used in the murder?
Has anyone else indicated that a knife was used besides the guy they interviewed?
Or are reporters just assuming this?
If it's true that the knife was found in the same area and at the same time they found all the other things, such as the carpet in front of the building, it seems likely that it could be the murder weapon, or at least one of the weapons used in the attack.

I also thought it was reported that a man who looked like FD was seen throwing it away, but that could have been the mat I'm thinking of. I thought it was both, though. Imo

 

[Outforjustice]

Well, you may be exactly right on the ramming.
And you sure are on the public acts of defiance.

But I do wonder if taking care of that bond which is keeping MT out of jail might give her parents a teeny bit of growing power. Let us hope!

It’s too bad MT’s parents didn’t, wouldn’t, couldn’t but, wish they should’ve rammed home if they had only known .
1. Do not remove and displace your daughter from her school in Florida where she was most likely happy and thriving for a man you are having an affair with.

SBM

FWIW, I think FD liked that MT was a ski athlete. JD, of necessity, or by nature, had become "Mom," taking care of the kids, being domestic, etc. MT could help him encourage his kids to excel in risky sports which JD was not even convinced were good. No guess here how long he might have wanted to "keep" MT or when he might have wanted to get rid of her as well, because he might wake up on any given day and have a new idea of love, beauty or success. IMO. Also, FWIW, when I see pictures of MT in court, I do not see regret or sorrow in her face- more like irritation that FD failed in his mission, and I do not get the impression that she has ever thought that she might be next. IMO.

This is such a good post and exactly the way I see MT.[/QUOTE]

 

[thekirbyfamily]

@thekirbyfamily, safe travels and prayers for you and your family on your trip to your new 'home'!

Please keep us all in your thoughts and let us know when your new destination is reached!

MOO

Thank you!

 

[Myvice]

Prayers and best wishes @thekirbyfamily!

 

[NWLady]

Hopefully that will be the last of my spy missions...I am leaving Tuesday...woohoo!

Safe travels and please keep us posted @thekirbyfamily and thanks for all you have done for us here and hopefully you will continue to follow along with us!