Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #35

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Does anyone know how to alert Mods here about the arrests today for JFd's murder by FD?

I think it warrants to be on the top of the page "Headline" here in black & yellow, as well as a change to the thread title "Jennifer Dulos - Arrests/Charges for Murder - 8 months after Disappearance" to replace the "Silver Alert" next to her name.

TIA!!
 
IMO you are 100% correct. There are many signs that KM is an alcoholic, at the very least. Joining AA was mentioned as a condition of reconciling with his STBX as well. Also the online real estate photos of 4JX before and after the divorce shows the number of bottles on the bar doubling after JFD left.
Good eyes !

But I think this is some realtor's idea of a "classsss-ay" bar by adding more high-end liquor bottles and a tray underneath them (just like in English country manors!)

Which in itself tells you how bad these houses were and how DESPERATE everyone was to make a big sale.
 
@gitana1, My sense is that his life had been unraveling for awhile over the past 3 years or so. Substance abuse, blackout drinking, rages and benders, financial issues, multiple marriages that all had pmts due etc.

His legal partnership with Atty Markowitz dissolved under somewhat of a cloud too (Markowitz claimed retirement but I'm not sure that was true).

I'm not sure that he made all that much money as he switched his practice from civil to immigration law.

If you read the account of what he is alleged to have done to his wife in terms of the spousal rape allegation, to me it showed a man at the end and out of control and simply lashing out at someone that made the mistake of loving him and not wanting to leave at that moment.

KM IMO had anger issues on top of substance abuse issues and then you get into stalking and compulsive behaviour etc. and its a downward spiral with no bottom in sight. Fd no doubt knew all this an capitalised on all of these weaknesses. Further, KM seemed to be a magnet to other 'like minded' people in the form of clients and fellow legal professionals and this helped Fd to no end to in a variety of ways that I'm not sure we have yet heard all about!

MOO
Gitana is right. KM was making good money. Making a h3ll of a lot more money as an immigration lawyer. He is loaded but does not show on the books. You know what I mean.
 
IDK. I see what you are saying here but IMO MT wasn't a compelling liar. She is a piss poor liar. You know when you see a master liar in action and its total brilliance and they are total TEFLON? MT was not a compelling liar on this level at all. MT seems to be the kind of liar that creates more problems for herself than possibly telling the truth might have created! Why didn't she just say (or her atty say) that she wouldn't speak to LE. Does Atty Bowman really think what MT did in AW3 represented 'cooperation' on the level that it should get consideration in court down the line? I hope not!

As we have endlessly discussed here, MT is NOT a defendant that juries will think highly of to begin with and then you toss on these comments from AW3 that make no sense and it all just seems a recipe for a defense atty's nightmare. Can you imagine how these MT comments in AW3 will play out in court on recycle and how in the world will juries even understand what she meant?

I just hope EE is a credible witness as he might be the only way to understand what all happened at 4Jx and 80 MS on the disappearance date as good luck figuring out anything from MT pitiful testimony.

IDK. All I can think of is that one Press shot of Atty Colangelo we saw after the 8/13 meeting with MT where he looked harassed and simply fed up and hot an aggravated. Now, reading this MT testimony in AW3 I can understand why he looked like he did if he had to spend hours listening to this word salad that makes little sense in any language.

I'm saying this from the perspective of wanting to make sure she has adequate representation and so doesn't have that 'out' available to her down the line. I really wonder what the Atty Bowman plan is for MT defense as based on what we see in AW3, I'm confused as to what he is thinking.....

MOO
I'm curious, was there ever any video of MT speaking? Maybe as a representative of FD company? Or perhaps for Argentine lover for his world class ski resort?
 
@gitana1, My sense is that his life had been unraveling for awhile over the past 3 years or so. Substance abuse, blackout drinking, rages and benders, financial issues, multiple marriages that all had pmts due etc.

His legal partnership with Atty Markowitz dissolved under somewhat of a cloud too (Markowitz claimed retirement but I'm not sure that was true).

I'm not sure that he made all that much money as he switched his practice from civil to immigration law.

If you read the account of what he is alleged to have done to his wife in terms of the spousal rape allegation, to me it showed a man at the end and out of control and simply lashing out at someone that made the mistake of loving him and not wanting to leave at that moment.

KM IMO had anger issues on top of substance abuse issues and then you get into stalking and compulsive behaviour etc. and its a downward spiral with no bottom in sight. Fd no doubt knew all this an capitalised on all of these weaknesses. Further, KM seemed to be a magnet to other 'like minded' people in the form of clients and fellow legal professionals and this helped Fd to no end to in a variety of ways that I'm not sure we have yet heard all about!

MOO

Yes. Narcissist and sociopaths know very well how to identify those whom they can manipulate by all sorts of means.
 
Thanks for the shout-out and for remembering me...I've missed you so much @afitzy!!!! A tremendous weight was lifted off my shoulders in leaving that place. Now, I'm trying to deal with the PTSD I have after 12 years of living there. Although I have been away, I've never stopped thinking of Jennifer, her children, her mother, etc. and have been waiting patiently along with everyone here for this day to come.

Sadly the Texas Rangers are in Texas (wish they could be loaned out for a special mission in CT though!). There is no CT equivalent of the Texas Rangers unfortunately. The long awaited generation change to the CT State Police never happened as the 'new' senior management appear to be retreads retired from the Hartford PD by all accounts. Not sure there is much to be optimistic about with CT LE sadly. If you saw the CT Supreme Court when Atty. P. argued his 'gag order' appeal I'm not sure that was the most impressive group going either as it was unclear whether all the justices really understood the substance of the convoluted argument set forth by Atty. P. Not sure where there is a glimmer of bright light in CT judiciary? Perhaps Atty Colangelo who has brought some reform to his district and is now 1 of 6 being considered for the highest job in the States Atty Office? IDK.

Sadly the ball just keeps on rolling and rolling in the judiciary in CT as nobody seems to care about reform and squeaky Judges simply don't get renewed or so it seems! Judges don't seem to believe in censuring attys (based in part on the statements of the Judge in the Jones' case against Atty. P.).

The GAL system continues to get widespread criticism and so some fainthearted comments are made recently in judiciary about some changes coming down the pike. I'm not sure anything has or will be changed.

Judge Heller term was just extended last year I believe so absent some act of GOD she sadly remains on the bench IMO.

We've not heard from anyone in Hartford judiciary about the conduct of ANY of the cases in which Fd has been involved with. Not even a peep in CT House or Senate Judiciary committees either so far as I know too. Its sad.

I'm not sure how any system changes in CT? Most people simply end up leaving the State as its too expensive to retire in and so the games keep recycling in Hartford and nothing ever changes. Lots of money gets delivered to Hartford each year but sadly little of it returns from where it came IMO. The Hartford State tax cycle forces local tax increases to the point where retirement in CT becomes impossible for most. If you look at the dialog in House and Senate, even they can't seem able to do anything to help the financial health of CT other than most recently to argue about tolls.

Sad situation and IMO its simply easier to move and leave CT in the rear view mirror as we saw @thekirbyfamily do while this case was ongoing! Just pack up the RV and hit the road and know that if you ever return to CT things will be just as you left them!

MOO
 
Yes, that's what I recall too. Wonder if that is why Fd 'sister' is present now?

The financial house of cards that is now Fd/FORE makes this entire situation with getting cash for bail tricky. I do wonder though if the cash that Fd had been taking from the banks was conveniently placed into a custodial account with Atty. P. for just this situation so that they had the cash available and it couldn't be attached by the banks in a foreclosure action or other litigation?

I do wonder though how far the banks will go to get their cash back and whether the real estate will be sufficient for repayment? I doubt the real estate will be sufficient unfortunately.

Most concerned about GF status in Civil Case as it looked like Fd/FORE might have just created a financial house of cards that made it impossible for anyone to collect anything.

Its a big game of financial musical chairs unfortunately! I do though wonder if Atty. P. is sitting on money he got from Fd who simply took it from the banks and/or marital assets? This would be an interesting litigation I think and I can just imagine Atty. P. saying, "I had no idea where the money came from that Fotis gave me".......

I do wonder though if the bail people will care much about the origin of the cash if they are getting the cash from Atty. P.? Curious questions indeed......

Let the litigation games begin....

MOO
I would have to do some research to source it, but I was always taught that date order of debt is key. It’s why we always had promissory notes and mortgages within the family- even for relatively small amounts. Familial status and other conditions may affect that but I would bet that GF would be near the top of the list for any disbursements in case of liquidation although it probably won’t be much in the end. JMO
 
In KMs second interview on 6/25 he told police he had fallen down the stairs on 5/25 and had a concussion and damaged his cell phone and had to replace it. Said couldn’t remember meeting with MT or FD on 5/24. Said couldn’t remember an incoming from FD on 5/24 at 7:47 pm when FD and MT were on the trashbin odyssey of stupidity. Said had no idea why FD would call him. Said no memory of 5/24 phone call to FD phone from Greece friend and said he’d never have directed MT to answer FD phone.

I'd like to see some legitimate medical proof of this "concussion" because it seems like a pretty convenient excuse. What are the odds he fell down the stairs the day after JF was presumably murdered, damaged his cell phone so badly during said fall that he had to replace it and gee, has amnesia and can't remember anything that happened the day she disappeared? Uh huh.
 
Pattis.....sigh.....

"It is an extraordinary thing to charge a member of the bar with a crime, especially a crime as serious as conspiracy to commit murder," Pattis said. "Mawhinney was an important part of our defense, we believe he was with Mr. Dulos that morning."
Fotis Dulos Charged With Capital Murder in Missing Connecticut Mom’s Disappearance

Hmmm...yes we need him to say FD was there just like FD talked to Andreas when he called from Greece just to say hello for 17 seconds and hang up. so now we are back to FD was at 4Jax all day. We have some intel about where KM and MT were perhaps in the morning of 5/24 and even though KM is now saying his concussion from falling down the stairs on 5/25 prevents him from remembering even being at 4Jax on 5/24 let alone meeting with FD. He was more truthful in his first interview where he acknowledges he went to The Fore Group office at 4Jax got for about an hour on 5/24 between 7:30 and 8:30 basically and that FD wasn’t there.

KM is an important part of their defense? Uh huh? Care to explain the FD calling KM at 7:47 pm on 5/24 when MT and FD were completing their trashbin odyssey of stupidity. MT can’t tell us because she was busy on her phone with a friend no doubt word Salad-Ing Away and confusing her bud with gobble gobble phrasing. Lol.
Yes KM is an important part of the FDs case! Those mean police charged both MT and KM the only two people in all of CT who can vouch for FD. Two of the most trustworthy people with impeccable character who are urgently needed to save FD! Ha ha ha!!!!
 
He doesn’t strike me as the sentimental type. His priority was getting away with murder, and he couldn’t leave evidence laying around.

The fact that he left a mountain of evidence in his wake, notwithstanding.
Yeah I guess so. What do you think about the evidence they have on the lawyer, doesn't look like much does it?
 
Good eyes !

But I think this is some realtor's idea of a "classsss-ay" bar by adding more high-end liquor bottles and a tray underneath them (just like in English country manors!)

Which in itself tells you how bad these houses were and how DESPERATE everyone was to make a big sale.

Could be, but personally I think it was the work of someone who never even finished getting her real estate license. JMHO&MOO!
 
Yeah I guess so. What do you think about the evidence they have on the lawyer, doesn't look like much does it?
Don’t forget though, we’re only seeing a small portion. It’s enough to justify the charges, which is what matters. He may not be as involved as FD and MT, but he’s involved enough that he’s looking at significant time.

I think he flips.
 
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IDK but in reading AW3 yet another time, I'm starting to get a clear 'sociopath' vibe from MT as there don't seem to be lines between right/wrong, no problem lying to LE, no connection between actions/consequences, no affect other than possibly frustration under directed questioning, no consideration for anyone other than herself and her situation, zero remorse or interest in helping investigation, no consideration for her daughter or 5 Dulos children and focus on how Fd lied to her without looking I think at the heinous act committed by Fd. I do very much wish we knew more about why MT was sent away to the 'horse farm' in NY when she was 15 as perhaps it might give some insight here but there seems to be a disconnect IMO between MT and the rest of the world and other peoples feelings/emotions and its a bit scary to watch play out when she is questioned by LE.

Sure past experiences in life can possibly impact current behaviour but what we see from MT IMO looks to be cold and calculated in the way of someone that simply doesn't feel like most people do. Today I very much got the sense that MT know precisely what happened to JFd in minute detail and she is totally ok with what happened. Its a chilling thought to have about a person IMO. That one quote in AW3 about MT getting caught in a lie and then putting her face in her hands like a child about a simple question about whether she saw Fd on the morning of the 24th, really got me. Even Atty Bowman tried to clear up the answer to a simple question about Fd location and he too failed. Why couldn't she answer a simple question that she clearly knew the answer to about Fd? Self anger at getting caught? Fear? Frustration? IDK.

I do very much wonder if the person that suggested that Fd has something major on MT and is holding it over her might be correct? But fear from MT might explain some of her choices but IMO not all of them here. MT worked very hard to stay on message with the 'alibi scripts' IMO. The criminal genius' here left the 'alibi scripts' in the trash too for LE to find early in the process, so you would think that MT would realise early in the game that 'alibi script' wasn't the best path forward. But no, she persists until 8/13 (think this was 3rd meeting with LE).

Why persist so long with the 'alibi scripts'? And, why did Atty Bowman not stop MT interaction with LE once he realised she was spouting 'alibi script' responses?

MOO
 
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Yep. It should be mentioned that KM secured the land for the club and founded it approximately 12-15 years ago. Then about 5/6 years ago KM left the club. There are a total of 5 members for the Windsor Rod and Gun Club. Only they and they alone are allowed to access the property which is surrounded by a logging fence that can be opened with a secret key that only members of the club know about. KM called one member in March/April asking to renew his membership and wanting to know how to access the property. This member told KM about the secret key. Two other members stumbled upon the grave on 5/18 and spoiled the site. One of them returned on 5/22 and said lime bags were gone. The other of the two members came back in early June and said it was neat as a pin. KM cell pinged at this club on 3/29/19 for about 30 plus minutes and again on 5/31/19 that we know of from the KM AW. It’s clear he’s involved with the grave somehow. Jmo.

id be hoping if I’m LE that KM will talk to me kWIM? I think LE is done with MT unless she can provide some real information like where JD is or murder weapon or even what FD told her about what happened. But how can you trust it? Km is also a creep and a liar but the case against him while strong isn’t as powerful as the one against FD and MT. Maybe he knows enough of something. Wonder what he was doing on the night of 5/24? I think they purposely leave things out of the AWs because if LE gets to interview any of them again it’s important not to show them everything they have. So if you can catch them in a lie because the person may not realize everything LE has. They have a lot y’all. What we got was a bare bones water down version of just enough info to make sure charges are filed

Wow. Your sleuthing on this is impressive!
 
Forensic results from crime scene evidence (AW makes it clear that this is just a portion of the evidence found!):
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Note how her blood was found on the hood, bumper, AND rear fender of one of the cars (pretty much all over the car!), as well as the sink cabinet door, garage door, garage wall, and sink faucet.
Ugh.

Ugh is right :( Surprising he was so careless in his clean up.
 
Don’t forget though, we’re only seeing a small portion. It’s enough to justify the charges, which is what matters. He may not be as involved as FD and MT, but he’s involved enough that he’s looking at significant time.

I think he flips.
I agree.

KM is weakest link that we have seen so far in this tragic case.

I do wonder also if they have him on conspiracy to murder his wife too and whether this might play into the calculus of Atty Colangelo here to get KM to flip? 2 murder charges vs. 1 murder charge....might make a difference to KM, IDK.

If KM substance abuse issues are ongoing though (no reason to believe they aren't) I'm not sure how credible his testimony might be considered and that is a concern IMO.

KM seems to be an emotional train wreck with very serious personal legal issues that are now being compounded by criminal charges associated with this case.

KM also seems oddly fragile despite the massive destruction he has created for his entire family. So, I hope they have KM under watch as I'm not sure he is strong enough to withstand what is coming his way legally.

MOO
 
IDK but in reading AW3 yet another time, I'm starting to get a clear 'sociopath' vibe from MT as there don't seem to be lines between right/wrong, no problem lying to LE, no connection between actions/consequences, no affect other than possibly frustration under directed questioning, no consideration for anyone other than herself and her situation, zero remorse or interest in helping investigation, no consideration for her daughter or 5 Dulos children and focus on how Fd lied to her without looking I think at the heinous act committed by Fd. I do very much wish we knew more about why MT was sent away to the 'horse farm' in NY when she was 15 as perhaps it might give some insight here but there seems to be a disconnect IMO between MT and the rest of the world and other peoples feelings/emotions and its a bit scary to watch play out when she is questioned by LE.

Sure past experiences in life can possibly impact current behaviour but what we see from MT IMO looks to be cold and calculated in the way of someone that simply doesn't feel like most people do. Today I very much got the sense that MT know precisely what happened to JFd in minute detail and she is totally ok with what happened. Its a chilling thought to have about a person IMO. That one quote in AW3 about MT getting caught in a lie and then putting her face in her hands like a child about a simple question about whether she saw Fd on the morning of the 24th, really got me. Even Atty Bowman tried to clear up the answer to a simple question about Fd location and he too failed. Why couldn't she answer a simple question that she clearly knew the answer to about Fd? Self anger at getting caught? Fear? Frustration? IDK.

I do very much wonder if the person that suggested that Fd has something major on MT and is holding it over her might be correct? But fear from MT might explain some of her choices but IMO not all of them here. MT worked very hard to stay on message with the 'alibi scripts' IMO. The criminal genius' here left the 'alibi scripts' in the trash too for LE to find early in the process, so you would think that MT would realise early in the game that 'alibi script' wasn't the best path forward. But no, she persists until 8/13 (think this was 3rd meeting with LE).

Why persist so long with the 'alibi scripts'? And, why did Atty Bowman not stop MT interaction with LE once he realised she was spouting 'alibi script' responses?

MOO

I have to agree.

She will do well in prison.

Sociopaths abound there and survive
 
Yep. It should be mentioned that KM secured the land for the club and founded it approximately 12-15 years ago. Then about 5/6 years ago KM left the club. There are a total of 5 members for the Windsor Rod and Gun Club. Only they and they alone are allowed to access the property which is surrounded by a logging fence that can be opened with a secret key that only members of the club know about. KM called one member in March/April asking to renew his membership and wanting to know how to access the property. This member told KM about the secret key. Two other members stumbled upon the grave on 5/18 and spoiled the site. One of them returned on 5/22 and said lime bags were gone. The other of the two members came back in early June and said it was neat as a pin. KM cell pinged at this club on 3/29/19 for about 30 plus minutes and again on 5/31/19 that we know of from the KM AW. It’s clear he’s involved with the grave somehow. Jmo.

id be hoping if I’m LE that KM will talk to me kWIM? I think LE is done with MT unless she can provide some real information like where JD is or murder weapon or even what FD told her about what happened. But how can you trust it? Km is also a creep and a liar but the case against him while strong isn’t as powerful as the one against FD and MT. Maybe he knows enough of something. Wonder what he was doing on the night of 5/24? I think they purposely leave things out of the AWs because if LE gets to interview any of them again it’s important not to show them everything they have. So if you can catch them in a lie because the person may not realize everything LE has. They have a lot y’all. What we got was a bare bones water down version of just enough info to make sure charges are filed
Yep, you are totally correct! We got a few more bread crumbs today to fill in some of the puzzle pieces.

I was kinda working off my DA 'reposting' list to try and figure out what of any of this crazy 'reposting' was eventually going to be verified by LE in AW and did get a few more answers.

Got a few boxes ticked off on the DA 'reposting' list during the first six months of case:

1. JFd Suburban mat - left by Fd leaned up against restaurant (still waiting on knife issue though....)
2. Party at 4Jx the night before JFd murder - this was conjecture and now confirmed in AW3 - wonder who was at the party????? Who here can imagine throwing a party right before you and your partner plan to murder your wife?
3. Confirmation that multiple witnesses said Fd didn't go inside 4Jx (recall the big fuss made by Atty. P. about this issue in prior hearing in Stamford regarding Fd blood on kitchen faucet - just glad this issue has been cleared up - also absolute confirmation that Fd was no doubt not telling Atty. P. the truth either or that Atty. P. never lets the truth stand behind him and mouthing nonsense in Court before the Judge IMO). Glad to see LA and JFd knew to keep Fd OUT of the house and actually locked the door to patio.

Will keep working through my list and see if I come up with any more but these 3 popped out immediately. I remain angry that HC and DA have made no effort to clear up the reporting issues that were the result IMO of Atty. P. simply repeating the 'alibi script'. I would respect the paper and DA if they simply did a broad brush clean up of prior reporting to set the record straight after months of simply repeating the 'alibi script'.

Grrrr and MOO!
 
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