GUILTY DC - David Messerschmitt, 30, murdered in Washington hotel room, 9 Feb 2015 #2

[colette]

Oh she needs life in prison.

 

[popsicle]

This is DC not VA.

 

[Miss Muffet]

And so many people were wrong about it being a male, too, you included.

But I'm not trying to continue a male-suspect theory after this new information was released today.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Wonder if there will end up being a plea for 2nd degree...if confession holds up, no point in wasting hundreds of thousands on a trial. Life in prison is still possible in VA for 2nd degree, I think.

I think I read her lawyer is claiming "imperfect self defense" and said her statements don't indicate guilt.

 

[Happyshoes]

But I'm not trying to continue a male-suspect theory after this new information was released today.

I think others (myself included) just want to know if anyone else was involved. New information didn't say she acted alone, or did it? I may have missed something. I don't think she was hired, though. This is a sad story all the way around.

 

[FindHG]

Police: Woman held in D.C. lawyer’s slaying planned only to rob him
By Matt Zapotosky, Keith L. Alexander & Dana Hedgpeth, The Washington Post, Apr2, 9:10 pm

[...]

“I literally asked her — I said, ‘Jamyra, you look like that lady in the camera,’ ” the friend said in a telephone interview. “She said, ‘Girl, no, that’s not me. I’m trying to go into the Army.’ ”

[...]

“It’s just not settling to me that she killed somebody,” [friend said] “It probably was a coincidence that she was there.”

[...]

Donovan Hotel suspect responded to victim's Craigslist ad
Debra Alfarone, WUSA 9, 12:24 am edt, Apr 3, '15

Prosecutors: Murdered D.C. lawyer, accused killer had sexual tryst gone bad
by Stephen Tschida, ABC 7 News, Apr 2, '15, 10:06 pm


21-year-old murder suspect met DC lawyer through Craigslist, court documents say
Sarah Simmons, Fox DC, Apr 3 '15, 12:19 am edt 10 pm tonight

 

[radiator]

I totally disagree. As I mentioned in the first thread a few months back, I operated an out call service over a decade ago and I am well aware that women play games with these guys. Nobody intends on killing anyone, things just go wrong and my feeling is that at 21 and new to her scamming game, she lost control. Her motive was cash and dash, but DM wasn't having it and most likely tried to yank the money out of her hands.

RBM, I think this is what happened. And I wouldn't be surprised if this was the first time she ever tried this. I definitely don't think she was hired and don't think there are co-conspirators. And I don't think she had a driver, she probably used his metro card to get home. Sad story all around.

 

[Cuoco7]

The part I'm confused on, and I am probably missing something, is the link of her actual phone number to her false email. Why would she link an actual number with an account in her name? Something very traceable?

 

[Miss Muffet]

This makes sense, thank you clu. By the same token, it could have happened to anyone opening their door at Donovan that night, if that's what she had on her mind, to randomly go stab a guest and steal, I imagine. They should have security to match what rep they aspire to.

She didn't intend to randomly stab a guest and steal. She targeted one specific type of guest by making arrangements to meet with him. This was really only random among the CL gay community (because any one of them could have been randomly chosen by the suspect), and that's why the commenter went to the police and provided DM's email address. He was doing it for himself and the CL gay community in addition to helping LE solve DM's case.

 

[FindHG]

She didn't intend to randomly stab a guest and steal. She targeted one specific type of guest by making arrangements to meet with him. This was really only random among the CL gay community (because any one of them could have been randomly chosen by the suspect), and that's why the commenter went to the police and provided DM's email address. He was doing it for himself and the CL gay community in addition to helping LE solve DM's case.

Hope he gets awarded. Agreed. It worked out, fortunately. She didn't get rid of evidence as effectively as she may have, she felt safe, hopefully on her heals. She didn't take off, at least. The Washington Post found friends who questioned her looking like the POI, but the friends never called LE. So, whoever sent the tip was brave to do it, considering the fallout.

 

[Miss Muffet]

The part I'm confused on, and I am probably missing something, is the link of her actual phone number to her false email. Why would she link an actual number with an account in her name? Something very traceable?

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I wouldn't call it a false email. It's just an email account she uses. She probably responded to one of those lock-out enticements yahoo has asking people to provide their cell phone numbers. I believe sometimes you can't get back into an existing account unless you provide it if you've forgotten your password. I have yahoo, and it's a PITA that yahoo is always trying to get my cell phone number from me. I've never provided it, but not providing it requires me to click two screens before I can log into my email every single time. Some people probably cave eventually to eliminate those two clicks.

It wouldn't have been traceable to her if she hadn't used the same email account to make a purchase via paypal. Well, it would have eventually been traceable via her internet provider, but she could have sidestepped that by only using that specific email when going to an internet café. She obviously didn't think this through, and it's sort of frightening to realize how anonymous someone can be if they do think it through.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Hope he gets awarded. Agreed.

I doubt he wants that. Did you read the additional comments? He's some type of software professional IIRC. I'm sure he wants to remain as anonymous as possible.

 

[FindHG]

I doubt he wants that. Did you read the additional comments? He's some type of software professional IIRC. I'm sure he wants to remain as anonymous as possible.

They could donate it in his name.

 

[Miss Muffet]

RBM, I think this is what happened. And I wouldn't be surprised if this was the first time she ever tried this. I definitely don't think she was hired and don't think there are co-conspirators. And I don't think she had a driver, she probably used his metro card to get home. Sad story all around.

I agree with you completely on all points, except I'm wondering if she drove there by herself in her own car. I have no idea if she owns a car or not though.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Here are some things that didn't add up for me.

He got a room two hours earlier than when the suspect arrived. Initially, I thought he might have gotten the room early to take a shower and be clean for the appointment. But then I wondered why he call his wife and say he'll be home in an hour just minutes before the suspect arrived. I'd imagine an enema/submissive/sex session would take at least an hour. I thought he was just pacifying his wife so she wouldn't question where he was, but she stated he was an incredibly punctual person.

Perhaps those two points indicate the suspect was late for the appointment, and DM called his wife and said he was coming home because the suspect hadn't shown up. If he had left just a few minutes sooner, he might have evaded the suspect entirely.

 

[Midge Montana]

I doubt he wants that. Did you read the additional comments? He's some type of software professional IIRC. I'm sure he wants to remain as anonymous as possible.

Tip lines are often set up where the tipster is given a code number to use to collect the reward so they can remain anonymous. This is actually a good system, as many people are worried about their identity being revealed, for several reasons. Hopefully the tipster used a tip line like that. They are often linked to in news articles asking for those with any helpful information to come forward.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Tip lines are often set up where the tipster is given a code number to use to collect the reward so they can remain anonymous. This is actually a good system, as many people are worried about their identity being revealed, for several reasons. Hopefully the tipster used a tip line like that. They are often linked to in news articles asking for those with any helpful information to come forward.

Based on his collective posts, it didn't sound like he reported anonymously. He's probably satisfied he did his civic duty and got a killer off of the street, but it's good to know there is a system set up for society/LE to express gratitude via a reward without ruining someone's life.

 

[FindHG]

Miss Muffet['s post] Here are some things that didn't add up for me.

He got a room two hours earlier than when the suspect arrived. Initially, I thought he might have gotten the room early to take a shower and be clean for the appointment. But then I wondered why he call his wife and say he'll be home in an hour just minutes before the suspect arrived. I'd imagine an enema/submissive/sex session would take at least an hour. I thought he was just pacifying his wife so she wouldn't question where he was, but she stated he was an incredibly punctual person. briefed and colored, respectfully

He was said to have been emailing her back and forth for a about five hours prior, that may explain some of what he may have been doing at the hotel, since around 5:30 pm.

 

[Miss Muffet]

He was said to have been emailing her back and forth for a about five hours prior, that may explain some of what he may have been doing at the hotel, since around 5:30 pm.

I think the suspect was late. There's no other explanation for him notifying his wife he'd be home in an hour when he wouldn't likely be done with his appointment in an hour.

I don't believe the suspect texted his wife for a few reasons. 1) It's unlikely she even knew the suspect had a girlfriend/wife. The commenter said it came out in conversation while DM was at his house. Even then DM lied and said girlfriend, not wife. I doubt he told the suspect anything about a girlfriend/wife via email. 2) If she did know he had a girlfriend/wife, it's unlikely she could figure out which contact was DM's wife in his phone. 3) It makes no sense whatsoever for the suspect to send a text saying he'll be home in an hour because that will just cause the wife to expect him sooner. Sending a text prolonging how long he'll be away from home would make more sense. 4) I believe LE established the text was sent to his wife a few minutes before the suspect arrived.
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[FindHG]

I think the suspect was late. There's no other explanation for him notifying his wife he'd be home in an hour when he wouldn't likely be done with his appointment in an hour.

I don't believe the suspect texted his wife for a few reasons. 1) It's unlikely she even knew the suspect had a girlfriend/wife. The commenter said it came out in conversation while DM was at his house. Even then DM lied and said girlfriend, not wife. I doubt he told the suspect anything about a girlfriend/wife via email. 2) If she did know he had a girlfriend/wife, it's unlikely she could figure out which contact was DM's wife in his phone. 3) It makes no sense whatsoever for the suspect to send a text saying he'll be home in an hour because that will just cause the wife to expect him sooner. Sending a text prolonging how long he'll be away from home would make more sense. 4) I believe LE established the text was sent to his wife a few minutes before the suspect arrived.
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According to the charging docs, the appointment was for 7 to 7:30 pm, IIRC. Once he was set up with her, he may have intended to leave soon after the appointment. It may have taken him that long to set it up?

from here and http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/dc/2015/04/01/woman-arrested-donovan-hotel/70794584/
Debra Alfarone tweet refers to the contacts