DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #14

[jbk]

I hope this doesn't sound silly, but I wonder how 40K can fit in anyone's pockets. I have trouble keeping a few singles in my pocket without falling out. Seems like 4 bundles would not fit due to bulk.

I don't disagree with you about having trouble keeping cash in my pockets without it falling out. However, 40K split into 4 bundles of 10k each actually wouldn't be that difficult to fit in your pockets. Each bundle (100 $100 bills) would be about .43 inches thick, so all 4 could easily fit into most pockets.

 

[kammiemc]

Or none of them!

Very true. He could know none of them. But one thing I was thinking about is the DW seems like kind of guy who would draw attention to himself. I imagine there were some neighbors who thought he was scary as anything. Seems like he might be hard to miss and there might be chatter about him. A hard dude to miss IF he lived right by you for a time.


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[katydid23]

I agree that what she said was weird. It was almost as if (IMO) she was knew ahead of time that there was going to be a cash delivery, but she just didn't know how much--or even think JW would necessarily know how much. She said "I wonder how much..." instead of "Holy smokes? What on earth are you doing with wads of cash? How much is there. Be careful!" (Or, something funny, like "I'll take some of that!") However, there is a chance there was more dialogue that was just not reported. Soooooooo much that is not reported.

Maybe she did know ahead of time. She might have been with him the night before, or at breakfast that morning. He got a text saying he needed to do a delivery, and another saying to meet at the bank. So he probably told his gf. I don't see the big deal.

If there was any incriminating dialogue we would probably have heard about it. JMO Besides, she showed the pic to LE. I doubt there was anything suspicious or incriminating when she did that. I don't think we should bash this poor girl. JMO

 

[kammiemc]

I don't disagree with you about having trouble keeping cash in my pockets without it falling out. However, 40K split into 4 bundles of 10k each actually wouldn't be that difficult to fit in your pockets. Each bundle (100 $100 bills) would be about .43 thick, so all 4 could easily fit into most pockets.

I think the bigger question is why would a professional accountant keep $40k in his pockets. The envelope story makes way more sense. But then JW would have to account for why he transferred at least $20k (all that was visible) to his own bag.

And the idea that he brought his own bag big that was enough to pick up a package, but small enough to fit into an envelope that would be placed in the car doesn't compute.. Unless it was a bank bag. But you don't put a package in a bank bag. You put money in it! Will be interesting to find out the REAL story, if it is ever brought to light.


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[emmavoberry]

DW has three brothers. JW could have known any or all of them when they all lived in the Lanham complex.

Based on his "footprint", we have no idea who JW was for most of his life pre-Autobahn, only that he has lied to LE recently and fabricated his resume. He took a race car driving course. Has he had any other skills, training, career path? It's as though he sprung up out of nowhere, born, or re-born, legitimized by the Autobahn position (PR+ media specialist, trainer, program director), friends he made there and through a bit of amateur racing, a membership card in the karting culture, but that other than the made-up JW, no historical JW.
I doubt he was fired from Autobahn for fraternizing. It's not an uptight corporation. Even the way he got the job was informal and other than some driving background, he had no qualifications in promotion/media/program coordination--even working with kids as a tutor!
His claim to fame was his Autobahn stint, which he parlayed into "personal assistant to a CEO in Washington."
The real resume I piece together reads like a typical small-time scammer's bio. Huge chunks of the past are obliterated with a current identity forged through a kind of infiltration made possible by self-inflation, some applicable skill-set, and mainly bsing--getting to an influential person in a culture or organization, appearing to be "just the person" it needs right now!
From there, the charmer grows a circle of fans, customers, clients, co-workers who, until he burns them out, will proclaim him the nicest, most solid person in the world. His or her FB will sport photos, testimonials, job duties, groups he belongs to, names of "friends" who DO check out, all creating the illusion that he's on- the- level whoever he is at this time: Head of Save the Tigers in India or Most Promising Race-Car Driver of the Year.
It has never been so easy as it is today to craft a "paper identity" from bits and pieces, photos being key. One can purchase a press kit via PRweb, endorsements via online "consortiums/foundations/exclusive corporate mentors' clubs." One current job achieved with smooth talk, and voila! Next thing you know the local newspaper does a feature article...

So fitting that JW would have the Mosler registration on him. He might not have been sure what he would do with it, but these types like to nick real documents like arts and crafts hobbyists collect yarn and buttons. He didn't pinch the reg out of sentiment. He figured he could use it for something.

It is not legal for an employer to divulge the reason for firing an employee. The off-the- record tip is tricky too. In most cases of suspected workplace theft or fraud, no big legal production is made as it's costly, difficult to prove a case, and shines an unwanted spotlight.

I'm guessing Autobahn is not the first place to fire JW and regret ever having fallen for his bull.
I'm guessing "Personal Assistant" will be his last position before he's laundry detail.

JMO/GUT FEELING/PURE SPECULATION

 

[emmavoberry]

There is absolutely NOTHING that we could find out now that would make us "see him in a different light".

He was a before and nothing can change that.

The first order of biz will be to cut the dreads and ditch the hoodie. I hope the Wints have a budget for an image consultant.

 

[katydid23]

I still think it would've been MUCH more typical of JW to take a photo of $40k. Why only photograph $20k?? I think that's all he got originally or he had already given accomplice the other half.


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I don't thing he had any time to give his 'accomplice' any cash. That text was right after he picked up the $.

 

[AmazonianAbroad]

Based on his "footprint", we have no idea who JW was for most of his life pre-Autobahn, only that he has lied to LE recently and fabricated his resume. He took a race car driving course. Has he had any other skills, training, career path? It's as though he sprung up out of nowhere, born, or re-born, legitimized by the Autobahn position (PR+ media specialist, trainer, program director), friends he made there and through a bit of amateur racing, a membership card in the karting culture, but that other than the made-up JW, no historical JW.
I doubt he was fired from Autobahn for fraternizing. It's not an uptight corporation. Even the way he got the job was informal and other than some driving background, he had no qualifications in promotion/media/program coordination--even working with kids as a tutor!
His claim to fame was his Autobahn stint, which he parlayed into "personal assistant to a CEO in Washington."
The real resume I piece together reads like a typical small-time scammer's bio. Huge chunks of the past are obliterated with a current identity forged through a kind of infiltration made possible by self-inflation, some applicable skill-set, and mainly bsing--getting to an influential person in a culture or organization, appearing to be "just the person" it needs right now!
From there, the charmer grows a circle of fans, customers, clients, co-workers who, until he burns them out, will proclaim him the nicest, most solid person in the world. His or her FB will sport photos, testimonials, job duties, groups he belongs to, names of "friends" who DO check out, all creating the illusion that he's on- the- level whoever he is at this time: Head of Save the Tigers in India or Most Promising Race-Car Driver of the Year.
It has never been so easy as it is today to craft a "paper identity" from bits and pieces, photos being key. One can purchase a press kit via PRweb, endorsements via online "consortiums/foundations/exclusive corporate mentors' clubs." One current job achieved with smooth talk, and voila! Next thing you know the local newspaper does a feature article...

So fitting that JW would have the Mosler registration on him. He might not have been sure what he would do with it, but these types like to nick real documents like arts and crafts hobbyists collect yarn and buttons. He didn't pinch the reg out of sentiment. He figured he could use it for something.

It is not legal for an employer to divulge the reason for firing an employee. The off-the- record tip is tricky too. In most cases of suspected workplace theft or fraud, no big legal production is made as it's costly, difficult to prove a case, and shines an unwanted spotlight.

I'm guessing Autobahn is not the first place to fire JW and regret ever having fallen for his bull.
I'm guessing "Personal Assistant" will be his last position before he's laundry detail.

JMO/GUT FEELING/PURE SPECULATION

Have we seen a full name and DOB in public records or the media? I recall that someone found a court case for a vehicle registration or tags problem. I don't recall seeing his details.

 

[rkf]

This makes a lot of sense to me. He broke open the money and then covered that up.

I don't see how living 350 ish feet apart in a complex in which there are many residents is all that compelling, especially since we don't know how long they were ever there at the same time. There's a lot of speculation about them running into each other and striking up some kind of conversation but if you look at these guys I don't see them doing that. They are very different. If there was an actual connection I think we would know.

As for the Secret Service, I don;t know that they are all that involved at this point. I know they were there the day of the fire but maybe they just wandered over from the Veep's mansion out of concern there was something going on in the neighborhood. They have said they are analyzing SS' finances but without more this just doesn't sound like a currency crime. Financial crimes and currency crimes are two different things.

As for DW's lawyer talking about how he was set up -- yet another sign of incompetence. This guy has not reviewed the discovery, he hasn't had a chance to see what evidence the government has, but he's launching into a theory. Big mistake. You'll also notice DW's previous, much more professional, lawyers did not go running to the cameras to give interviews. I predict DW eventually fires these guys. if not, I predict he pleads out. I don;t see them actually taking the case to trial.

I don't think SeSe can just leave their posts because they think something interesting is happening across Mass Ave. They have to have (shared?) jurisdiction to traipse around the crime scene.

 

[emmavoberry]

I don't thing he had any time to give his 'accomplice' any cash. That text was right after he picked up the $.

JMO His take in the red bag; manila envelope for helpers.

 

[rkf]

This is why I believe he fired the public Defender and got new representation. So that the defense lawyers that work with him can do this type of spin. :moo: . This type of comment by a defense lawyer seems to me typical "oddi" ( other dude did it) deflection.

But if he admits he was there during the murders, he will still be convicted of felony murder. Guess he's looking for some plea-wiggle room. At least that puts to rest the idea that DW acted alone (assuming this isn't all made-up by defense att.)

 

[katydid23]

With very genuine respect, I do have to ask if you truly do dismiss what WS's found as a worthwhile connection. Do you believe that it is only a coincidence that JW's dad lived in an apt that was 348 feet from the apt where DW lived. (JW's dad lived in that particular apt for 5 years when JW was 17-22 years old.) This is in addition to the fact that their various family members still live in very close proximity in the same area. Sure, there is a chance that the two guys might have not crossed paths directly, especially because it seems like DW migrates amongst family members, but we're talking yards, not miles. People who live in that close proximity (and have big families in DW's case) really, really, really might know of each other or have mutual connections. That doesn't feel very loose to me. Does it you?

JW's parents were divorced. His Mom had a nice house that she got in the divorce. So JW might have lived with Mom instead of Dad. But even if he did live with his Dad, I thought I had read that his Dad was LE. Would his Dad want JW hanging out with a gangster in the neighborhood? Would they even have anything in common?

Also, 348 feet sounds very close. But how many other 'doors' were also within that 348 feet? Were there dozens of other apartments within that area? It looks like it is 2 huge apartment complexes. If it was two little houses just 348 feet apart, then I would assume they met each other. But if it is 348 feet full of other apartments, then it lessens the likelihood, imo.

 

[rkf]

Playing a minor role isn't going to help him much even if its true. He's still a part of the crime and equally culpable. It only helps if he makes a deal and snitches out the others involved. I think he's lying and that won't happen. None of the other people whose names have been floated (and I still don't think JW is involved but leaving him in for argument's sake) have shown the kind of sociopathy DW has over the years.

I just watched part of a crime show last night where a truck driver was a serial killer. When he was finally arrested for one of the killings, it was his first arrest ever. I don't think having no criminal record is necessarily an indicator of innocence, just like having one doesn't make someone guilty of the present crime.

I find it really interesting how many serious criminals first have a history of traffic violations. I'm not a big fan of broken window policing - I think most people who commit petty crimes don't go on to become felons, but IMO most felons have a history of petty crime. JW might have benefitted from his father being a policeman, in that if JW committed any petty crimes, he might have benefitted from some "professional courtesy". Of course, he could just be a law-abiding citizen - no conspiracy theories necessary.

 

[rkf]

Wonder how the blood got on his shoe?...

He borrowed the shoes when he got pizza sauce on his at dinner...

 

[AmazonianAbroad]

JW's parents were divorced. His Mom had a nice house that she got in the divorce. So JW might have lived with Mom instead of Dad. But even if he did live with his Dad, I thought I had read that his Dad was LE. Would his Dad want JW hanging out with a gangster in the neighborhood? Would they even have anything in common?

Also, 348 feet sounds very close. But how many other 'doors' were also within that 348 feet? Were there dozens of other apartments within that area? It looks like it is 2 huge apartment complexes. If it was two little houses just 348 feet apart, then I would assume they met each other. But if it is 348 feet full of other apartments, then it lessens the likelihood, imo.

A parent in LE can go either way. Kids can try getting out of trouble by name dropping and having trouble handled on a personal level. Courts can cut slack. It can feed sociopathy not to be held accountable when caught red handed for minor offenses again and again.

 

[katydid23]

What would've been there respective ages and that of DW's brother? Might have met at the pool or basketball court or flirting with neighborhood girls.


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DW was an ex con, gang member. JW was a college kid with a cop for a father. I doubt they hung out together at all. JMO

 

[FelicityLemon]

The first order of biz will be to cut the dreads and ditch the hoodie. I hope the Wints have a budget for an image consultant.

Don't forget the glasses. :/ Cracks me up every single time.

 

[rkf]

I wouldn't get too excited about this. My guess is that his lawyer is thinking of using the info thats out there to try to pin the blame on JW. I don't see DW cutting a deal and ratting out anyone else because LE thinks, for good reason, he's the bad guy even if others are involved. Plus the lawyer isn't talking about making a deal, he's talking about pinning the blame on someone else at trial. Thats very different from giving LE information.

The defense attorney will need evidence to back up any theories (like DNA and blood on a shoe). I doubt a jury will find reasonable doubt - that JW did the crime and DW did not. If DW was involved in any way in the crime, he will still face felony murder. JMO

ETA: I mean find reasonable doubt if given the choice between JW and DW to convict.

 

[katydid23]

A parent in LE can go either way. Kids can try getting out of trouble by name dropping and having trouble handled on a personal level. Courts can cut slack. It can feed sociopathy not to be held accountable when caught red handed for minor offenses again and again.

But JW has no criminal history. No one has come forward to suggest he was a problem kid or a troubled kid or anything of the sort.
He worked at the Autobahn for three years. And whatever he did to get 'let go'---was not serious enough for them to be concerned with keeping his long time girlfriend employed there. Or 'bad' enough for them to warn their friend SS not to hire him in a trusted position.

I see no connection with JW and DW. JMO

 

[rkf]

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