DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #15

[katydid23]

Why would JW say he would let him know when he had package. Wouldn't he say "Got your message. Happy to help. Let me know where and when when you have details." I feel like this text is about something else.

No. In my opinion, an assistant uses as few words as possible in reply. He is paid to follow orders. Why would a paid assistant text back: ' Got your message, Happy to Help...Let me know the details and when and where etc...' The boss would roll his eyes. ALL of that is needless and time consuming with no point.

I was an assistant and I was trained to reply CONCISELY. They send you a directive and you reply in a short and precise manner. You don't text back that you'd be 'happy to help.' YOU ARE PAID TO HELP. LOL

 

[katydid23]

"Originally Posted by katydid23 If he did not deliver the $, where did all the cash that DW had come from?"



Other poss for sources of currency & proceeds like M/O's, that DDW & chums had at time of his DC arrest? IDK. For ex:
Is it poss DDW left S home w
- $40,000 currency JW delivered, i.e., only $40,000 currency?
- $40,000 currency, $40,000 currency plus more currency alreadyin home, pre-JW delivery (maybe from safe, etc.)? or
- $40,000 currency plus prop. from S home, which he sold or pawned before his DC arrest? or
- any of above plus $ from drug sales or illegal sources? or
- welding work or other lawful job? Put me down for doubtful on this poss.

One poss scenario I find extreeeeeeemely unlikely is JW delivering >$40,000 to S home.


Q: Was $40,000 amt - discussed as amt acct'ant provided to JW - actually stated in SW or LE presser?
AIW acct'ant ---> $40,000 ---> JW, who delivered some or all to S home, where DW picked up what-ev amt, & took it w him.
Acct'ant's act in providing this to JW seems to be last reliably known/reported $ amt provided to JW.
Reliable if based on -
- BoA hard copy & e-records of w/drawal $ amt, and
- BoA surv cam of teller transaction w acct'ant - handing over, and
- acct'ant's truthful stmt to LE.
If acct'ant provided < $40,000 to JW, then when GF texted JW 'how much?' JW's text w/not have said 40 ($40,000), imo.

JM2cts, could be all wrong.

I think the text to the gf PROVES that JW got 40k and delivered it ALL to the S house. If he was keeping 20k he would not have mentioned 40k to hi girl by text, imo.

 

[Nikk]

I've been reading along. This is my first post to this thread. I appreciate all of you and your devotion!

TexMex, you posted:

but it's very possible DW was looking for money to flee (back to Guyana?)

I'd given that some thought, but I don't think that was his motivation or he wouldn't be so concerned about deportation that he'd have his family hire an immigration attorney versus a very experienced criminal defense attorney.

We may never know the killer's/killers' motivation, but it feels more personal than financial.

I've even thought that maybe killing SS & AS was really the primary motivation and perhaps SS tried buying time by offering the $40,000 and the killer thought, "why not?". But, maybe the money wasn't ever the primary motivation. If it were, you'd think the killer would have held out for far more.

 

[rkf]

Every time I read these, I see something new. For those who haven't had the chance to read the documents, I'm attaching links below. Many of the questions we are asking each other can be answered by reading these docs. In fact, they are really the only concrete information we have. MSM is working off same.

DW Arrest Warrant/Affidavit - https://www.scribd.com/doc/266278174/Daron-Dylon-Wint-Charging-Documents
DW Arrest Warrant Supplement - https://www.scribd.com/doc/266280402/Wint-Daron-Dellon-Dennis-Supplement-May-2015
SW - Woodland Drive - https://www.scribd.com/doc/268311018/Search-Warrant-Mansion-Murder-Case-061015
SW Return - Woodland Drive - https://www.scribd.com/doc/268309168/DC-Mansion-Warrant
SW Return - Woodland Drive - https://www.scribd.com/doc/268392394/Mansion-Murders-evidence-recovered
SW - JW's BMW - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267687232/Wint-Search-Warrant-Affidavit
SW Return- JW's BMW - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267776483/Search-Warrant-for-BMW
SW - AS cell phone - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267776484/Affidavit-Amy-Savopoulos-Cell-Phone
SW - AS cell phone - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267576751/Wint-Warrant
SW - VF cell phone - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267576751/Wint-Warrant
SW - SS cell phone - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267576749/Wint-Warrant-3
SW JW cell phone - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267576746/Wint-Warrant-2
SW JW cell phone - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267576746/Wint-Warrant-2
SW - Chevy Cruze/Ford Amerit Truck - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267779255/Return-After-Search-of-Ford
SW JW cell phone - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267599824/Wint-Warrant-6

 

[TexMex]

I've been reading along. This is my first post to this thread. I appreciate all of you and your devotion!

TexMex, you posted:




I'd given that some thought, but I don't think that was his motivation or he wouldn't be so concerned about deportation that he'd have his family hire an immigration attorney versus a very experienced criminal defense attorney.

We may never know the killer's/killers' motivation, but it feels more personal than financial.

I've even thought that maybe killing SS & AS was really the primary motivation and perhaps SS tried buying time by offering the $40,000 and the killer thought, "why not?". But, maybe the money wasn't ever the primary motivation. If it were, you'd think the killer would have held out for far more.

Welcome!

 

[kammiemc]

Repeating again and again that because someone lied it implicates them in a quadruple murder also does not make it so. JMO but if LE had found any evidence of any connection btwn JW and DW or that he did anything but deliver $40K on instructions of his boss on top of lying...he would be in jail alongside DW.

Of course LE has arrested people much longer than six weeks after a crime but iirc it's usually not in a conspiracy. For example the Scott Peterson or McStay cases. The people arrested were the prime suspects from the start but police didn't have enough evidence to arrest.

I might have expressed myself less diplomatically than I intended to, or should have. I'm sorry. There are a lot of opinions here and I know mine is different from some others who suspect JW is involved. But because I am highly suspicious of him, my posts might be lumped into one big category.

I have not been of the mind that JW was a willing participant in a quadruple homicide. My guess/assumption/speculation is that someone who deliberately lied to LE in an investigation of a fire resulting in multiple deaths, at the home where he dropped off an incredibly large chunk of change in an unusual manner hours earlier, was hiding something. Hiding knowledge. Hiding some level of awareness of a theft. Or hiding information. I could absolutely be wrong. But it's certainly not a stretch.

I don't chalk up his deception in such an important interview to him being a bonehead (as in, being stupid). It takes some savvy, creativity and purpose to make up stories, which he did. And my GUESS is that he is not MIA because he's been cleared, and yet is now horrified to show his face.

I will feel bad for him if it turns out that he had NO idea that anything was going on or that he just knew there was "heat" from DW + Co around the social media posts he was sharing, OR that he was voluntold by DW what he needed do to, or else. Especially if he is locked up for it.

But, as long as he not dead due to being stabbed and strangled, or being burnt alive. And as long as he made up stories in the course of such a serious investigation (even if he only knew that there was a fire and people died: see above). And as long as he doesn't take any of the available avenues to clear his name as a knowledgeable media guy, I just don't feel for him. And I am pretty empathetic. (To a fault, I am told.)

I just have a reallllllly hard time buying that because he is not behind bars, he's cleared. MY ASSUMPTION!

 

[Nikk]

Welcome!

Thank you!

 

[facundo]

It doesn't say what LE believes, it says what JW told them. Those are charging documents for Wint. Obviously, LE is not going to use a witness to keep Wint in jail without bond and then say publicly they don't believe the witness. Wint's attorney would have him on the street immediately.

JMO

Obviously Wint was arrested and jailed w/o bond because his DNA was on the pizza crust that he didn't like.

 

[FelicityLemon]

Every time I read these, I see something new. For those who haven't had the chance to read the documents, I'm attaching links below. Many of the questions we are asking each other can be answered by reading these docs. In fact, they are really the only concrete information we have. MSM is working off same.

DW Arrest Warrant/Affidavit - https://www.scribd.com/doc/266278174/Daron-Dylon-Wint-Charging-Documents
DW Arrest Warrant Supplement - https://www.scribd.com/doc/266280402/Wint-Daron-Dellon-Dennis-Supplement-May-2015
SW - Woodland Drive - https://www.scribd.com/doc/268311018/Search-Warrant-Mansion-Murder-Case-061015
SW Return - Woodland Drive - https://www.scribd.com/doc/268309168/DC-Mansion-Warrant
SW Return - Woodland Drive - https://www.scribd.com/doc/268392394/Mansion-Murders-evidence-recovered
SW - JW's BMW - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267687232/Wint-Search-Warrant-Affidavit
SW Return- JW's BMW - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267776483/Search-Warrant-for-BMW
SW - AS cell phone - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267776484/Affidavit-Amy-Savopoulos-Cell-Phone
SW - AS cell phone - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267576751/Wint-Warrant
SW - VF cell phone - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267576751/Wint-Warrant
SW - SS cell phone - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267576749/Wint-Warrant-3
SW JW cell phone - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267576746/Wint-Warrant-2
SW JW cell phone - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267576746/Wint-Warrant-2
SW - Chevy Cruze/Ford Amerit Truck - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267779255/Return-After-Search-of-Ford
SW JW cell phone - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267599824/Wint-Warrant-6

AWESOME of you to do this! A hearty Thank You!

 

[jjenny]

I agree except LE has never backed down from their assertion that DW did not act alone. We don't know who their other POIs are, so we don't know if those POIs have undergone the same scrutiny as JW. As far as we know, no one has been arrested except DW. Maybe LE changed their minds about DW acting alone, but if they haven't, the absence of an arrest doesn't mean someone has been cleared. No one from the convoy has been arrested, but that doesn't mean they won't be.

They haven't backed down, but they haven't arrested anyone else either.
Did they not find any other DNA on the scene? Supposedly DW's DNA was found in other places in addition to pizza crust. So why didn't accomplices leave DNA?

 

[Russian Blue]

They haven't backed down, but they haven't arrested anyone else either.
Did they not find any other DNA on the scene? Supposedly DW's DNA was found in other places in addition to pizza crust. So why didn't accomplices leave DNA?

I bet they found other DNA, but if they don't have a match they can't identify whose it is. DW was already in the system that is why it came up.

 

[suspicious1]

I bet they found other DNA, but if they don't have a match they can't identify whose it is. DW was already in the system that is why it came up.

So whoever else was there....was not already in the system.

I truly believe this because if there was a match....there would have been other immediate arrests. But there wasn't.

My husband believes JW dna was there but because he worked for SS his dna could be explained......

IMO, it's going to take more than dna evidence to get JW. They have to get more.

 

[MyBelle]

This is a direct quote from the Ford/Chevy SW: Your affiant believes all four decedents were held captive by Mr. Wint and others until the $40,000 forty thousand was delivered to the Savopoulos's residence by W-1. After all the money was delivered the four decedents were killed. BBM

LE can't give different stories on different docs - that would be a nightmare at trial time. The officer requesting the SW is saying that HE believes the money was delivered at the time he wrote the SW application. His opinion may be different by now, or not. IDK. I do know that LE would be doing the defense attorney's work for him if they say they believe different things in different docs, unless they have obtained new information that changed their beliefs in the interim. We don't really know what is in the detective's heart, but we do know that he's going on the record stating he believes the money was delivered. When I have time, I can check to see how it was worded in other docs. Or someone else can do it by going to https://www.scribd.com/doc/267779255/Return-After-Search-of-Ford and scrolling through the other docs to the right and at the bottom.

I'm pretty sure search Warrants are not evidence and won't be admitted at any trial. A Judge granted the search warrant. That part is over. Nothing for the defense to dispute at trial.

The SW clearly states what only the affiant believed at that point in time, not what all LE believed then or what any LE, including the affiant believes after conducting the search.

JMO

 

[rkf]

I'm pretty sure search Warrants are not evidence and won't be admitted at any trial. A Judge granted the search warrant. That part is over. Nothing for the defense to dispute at trial.

The SW clearly states what only the affiant believed at that point in time, not what all LE believed then or what any LE, including the affiant believes after conducting the search.

JMO

Any evidence collected during a search is admitted at trial. If the SW was granted under false pretenses, the evidence can be tossed. Affidavits are sworn statements. If LE is later found to have falsified a statement, by saying they believed something when they didn't for example, that can produce what is called "fruit of the poisoned tree". I think you must not have read the part of my post that was written in black. Also, I believe LE is working as a team, not every (wo)man for her/himself.

 

[RTC]

JW's every word is being obsessed over because he and the poor Hk are the only two people besides DW is allowed to be discussed on this forum. I have been a member here for a very long time, longer than my profile states. Everyone is hanging on every sentence this guy willing volunteered,yet we don't even know the names of DW close relatives and associates. The convoy, girlfriend, family member all get their identities and conversations protected. I don't care if it is a LE tactic,it looks political but there again, not allowed to talk politics, race on this case. what if this was a hate crime perpetrated by two family members? Is it ok to dissect and trash W1 yet not address the elephant in the room?

 

[rkf]

JW's every word is being obsessed over because he and the poor Hk are the only two people besides DW is allowed to be discussed on this forum. I have been a member here for a very long time, longer than my profile states. Everyone is hanging on every sentence this guy willing volunteered,yet we don't even know the names of DW close relatives and associates. The convoy, girlfriend, family member all get their identities and conversations protected. I don't care if it is a LE tactic,it looks political but there again, not allowed to talk politics, race on this case. what if this was a hate crime perpetrated by two family members? Is it ok to dissect and trash W1 yet not address the elephant in the room?

That elephant is at the front of the line in my circus...

 

[katydid23]

I'm pretty sure search Warrants are not evidence and won't be admitted at any trial. A Judge granted the search warrant. That part is over. Nothing for the defense to dispute at trial.

The SW clearly states what only the affiant believed at that point in time, not what all LE believed then or what any LE, including the affiant believes after conducting the search.

JMO

According to what I have found, a warrant is a judicial document, and an officer must swear to a judge, in an official document, that what he is saying is true, under oath. So your assertion that it is not necessarily the truth, imo, does not hold water.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/search+warrant
A search warrant is a judicial document that authorizes police officers to search a person or place to obtain evidence for presentation in criminal prosecutions. Police officers obtain search warrants by submitting affidavits and other evidence to a judge or magistrate to establish Probable Cause to believe that a search will yield evidence related to a crime. If satisfied that the officers have established probable cause, the judge or magistrate will issue the warrant.

An affidavit (/&#716;æf&#616;&#712;de&#618;v&#616;t/ A-f&#601;-DAY-v&#601;t) is a written sworn statement of fact voluntarily made by an affiant or deponent under an oath or affirmation administered by a person authorized to do so by law.

 

[AmazonianAbroad]

Every time I read these, I see something new. For those who haven't had the chance to read the documents, I'm attaching links below. Many of the questions we are asking each other can be answered by reading these docs. In fact, they are really the only concrete information we have. MSM is working off same.

DW Arrest Warrant/Affidavit - https://www.scribd.com/doc/266278174/Daron-Dylon-Wint-Charging-Documents
DW Arrest Warrant Supplement - https://www.scribd.com/doc/266280402/Wint-Daron-Dellon-Dennis-Supplement-May-2015
SW - Woodland Drive - https://www.scribd.com/doc/268311018/Search-Warrant-Mansion-Murder-Case-061015
SW Return - Woodland Drive - https://www.scribd.com/doc/268309168/DC-Mansion-Warrant
SW Return - Woodland Drive - https://www.scribd.com/doc/268392394/Mansion-Murders-evidence-recovered
SW - JW's BMW - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267687232/Wint-Search-Warrant-Affidavit
SW Return- JW's BMW - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267776483/Search-Warrant-for-BMW
SW - AS cell phone - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267776484/Affidavit-Amy-Savopoulos-Cell-Phone
SW - AS cell phone - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267576751/Wint-Warrant
SW - VF cell phone - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267576751/Wint-Warrant
SW - SS cell phone - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267576749/Wint-Warrant-3
SW JW cell phone - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267576746/Wint-Warrant-2
SW JW cell phone - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267576746/Wint-Warrant-2
SW - Chevy Cruze/Ford Amerit Truck - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267779255/Return-After-Search-of-Ford
SW JW cell phone - https://www.scribd.com/doc/267599824/Wint-Warrant-6

Bump. Because this post is heroic.

 

[MyBelle]

According to what I have found, a warrant is a judicial document, and an officer must swear to a judge, in an official document, that what he is saying is true, under oath. So your assertion that it is not necessarily the truth, imo, does not hold water.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/search+warrant
A search warrant is a judicial document that authorizes police officers to search a person or place to obtain evidence for presentation in criminal prosecutions. Police officers obtain search warrants by submitting affidavits and other evidence to a judge or magistrate to establish Probable Cause to believe that a search will yield evidence related to a crime. If satisfied that the officers have established probable cause, the judge or magistrate will issue the warrant.

An affidavit (/&#716;æf&#616;&#712;de&#618;v&#616;t/ A-f&#601;-DAY-v&#601;t) is a written sworn statement of fact voluntarily made by an affiant or deponent under an oath or affirmation administered by a person authorized to do so by law.

I never said the document wasn't the truth so please do misrepresent my posts. Police officers submit their requests based only on what they believe to be true at the time they submit the document. That was done in this case.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Any evidence collected during a search is admitted at trial. If the SW was granted under false pretenses, the evidence can be tossed. Affidavits are sworn statements. If LE is later found to have falsified a statement, by saying they believed something when they didn't for example, that can produce what is called "fruit of the poisoned tree". I think you must not have read the part of my post that was written in black. Also, I believe LE is working as a team, not every (wo)man for her/himself.

I never said evidence collected from a search warrant is not admitted at trial. What I said was that search warrants are not evidence. I have not stated that LE isn't working as a team.

JMO