DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #15

[Keefer]

What confuses you? DW has spent time in jail, was unemployed, has a history of domestic violence directed not just at women but also to members of his own family and is currently in jail for murder. Yes, I believe he is a hardened criminal who has associated with other hardened criminals for a long time.

JMO

Well, I can see someone learning a few ideas in county jail but not anything very sophisticated. Do you think that criminals specialize in the types of crimes they do?

 

[TexMex]

=Keefer;11884810]Well, I can see someone learning a few ideas in county jail but not anything very sophisticated. Do you think that criminals specialize in the types of crimes they do?

Nothing sophisticated about kicking in a door, terrorizing women and children and demanding money

 

[Bootsctr]

BBM. I believe the information is being withheld in order to protect the investigation and to ensure a fair trial.

I think the investigators need to look at every burglary/robbery reported throughout that huge metro area and compare the household support staffs to see if there are links. I doubt this crime started with the S family and it is more far-reaching than any of us realize. The murders very well could be racially motivated or terrorist related. We just don't know at this point.

JMO

:yeahthat: :goodpost: I think Wint was learning the "crime" of home invasion and someone with higher knowledge than he in the gang had the know how to take down the security system. Their DNA also is not in the system yet. I think it was a collaboration of more than one person as LE has said from the beginning. Maybe head honcho wear gloves and didn't eat pizza. Wint was only the protégé, but indeed the most evil of all.

Wint was responsible for finding homes that would likely be easy to invade. Case the joints and learn people's routines. Savopoulos' home high on his list to invade. Little did the rest of the gang know that Wint was going to go psycho slasher with the family. I think Wint was the punk tasked with cleaning up after this crime. He probably learned how to take down a security system with this crime and the rest that are involved learned he wasn't afraid to burn someone alive and beat and stab others to death.

What a waste! This guy had all the opportunities at his fingertips in the Land of Opportunity starting with Mr. Savopoulos, and this dirt bag chose to use his powers for evil instead of good.

 

[Keefer]

Nothing sophisticated about kicking in a door, terrorizing women and children and demanding money

How about not leaving any evidence behind beside the pizza crust? Not being seen or heard coming or going and controlling that house? Skirting the alarm and cameras that SS had? Their are tricks to every trade.
Have you learned or mastered any trade, craft or art before?

 

[Keefer]

So this was not a premeditated murder?

:yeahthat: :goodpost: I think Wint was learning the "crime" of home invasion and someone with higher knowledge than he in the gang had the know how to take down the security system. Their DNA also is not in the system yet. I think it was a collaboration of more than one person has LE has said from the beginning. Maybe head honcho wear gloves and didn't eat pizza. Wint was only the protégé, but indeed the most evil of all.

Wint was responsible for finding homes that would likely be easy to invade. Case the joints and learn people's routines. Savopoulos' home high on his list to invade. Little did the rest of the gang know that Wint was going to go psycho slasher with the family. I think Wint was the punk tasked with cleaning up after this crime. He probably learned how to take down a security system with this crime and the rest that are involved learned he wasn't afraid to burn someone alive and beat and stab others to death.

What a waste! This guy had all the opportunities at his fingertips in the Land of Opportunity starting with Mr. Savopoulos, and this dirt bag chose to use his powers for evil instead of good.

 

[Keefer]

How about the torture of Philip? Do you know why he was tortured too.??

Agreed. There is nothing masterful or artful about any part of this crime. There is nothing to suggest anything other than an ordinary house burglary that turned into a clumsy kidnap and murder. Nowhere is it reported that LE thinks this was planned beyond him thinking the house would be empty. Nowhere is it claimed that he circumvented the security system that may or may not have been utilized with regularity or consistency.

DW exhibited no behavior or special knowledge (or super duper secret skills that only seasoned criminals know and dole out to other criminals taken under their wings) that showed any mentoring or special education beyond what we've all seen in fictional books, movies, tv shows, MSM including news reports and articles, interviews and what we can all find on the internet.

In other words, nothing special.

In my dull-witted opinion, of course.

 

[TexMex]

How about not leaving any evidence behind beside the pizza crust? Not being seen or heard coming or going and controlling that house? Skirting the alarm and cameras that SS had? Their are tricks to every trade.
Have you learned or mastered any trade, craft or art before?

He also had blood on his shoe and iirc there are fingerprints on a water bottle.

Alarms only work if they are armed. Most aren't at 3pm with kids, pets, housekeepers coming and going.

He needed a boot, duct tape and a knife. He probably found the baseball bat and a gas can at the home

IMO there was no sophistication whatsoever in this crime.

 

[Bootsctr]

Nothing sophisticated about kicking in a door, terrorizing women and children and demanding money

Certainly cannot disagree with your assessment either! I think LE has just pounded into my head that more than one person HAS to be involved in this crime that I believe it. :banghead:

 

[Keefer]

I guess I will have to agree to disagree with most of the posters on here today. Nothing special or unusual about this crime is there? They have the bad guy. Nothing to see please move along...
Since no one wanted to answer my question about learning an art, trade or craft I will answer myself. One cannot learn such things in a book or movie, TV. One cannot learn such things orally. One must be a journeyman and learn from the pros on the job.
I will shut up now and go away. M

 

[Bootsctr]

So this was not a premeditated murder?

I have no clue.

 

[BondGirl]

BBM. I believe the information is being withheld in order to protect the investigation and to ensure a fair trial.

I think the investigators need to look at every burglary/robbery reported throughout that huge metro area and compare the household support staffs to see if there are links. I doubt this crime started with the S family and it is more far-reaching than any of us realize. The murders very well could be racially motivated or terrorist related. We just don't know at this point.

JMO

Terrorist related? ISIS would have been thrilled to claim responsibility. They weren't decapitated. I can't imagine this being terrorism.

 

[BondGirl]

The "saved my life" makes me crazy. She was working for another client on Thursday because she had already made plans to work at the dojo Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday instead of at the S house on Thursday. From the beginning NG has spun the story for maximum drama, and it has changed moment to moment. Working for a family for 20 years is a long-term business relationship, but it doesn't make them friends. I believe she tried to make it sound like they were personally close because it made her (NG) seem more central to the tragedy.

ETA: I have no doubt they have looked at her closely. That is why it's interesting to me that SWs, etc., related to her, which would be needed for the case and also to clear her, haven't been released like some of the others.

I remember NG said "I saved my life" several times. I think that should be noted and is odd.

 

[BondGirl]

What confuses you? DW has spent time in jail, was unemployed, has a history of domestic violence directed not just at women but also to members of his own family and is currently in jail for murder. Yes, I believe he is a hardened criminal who has associated with other hardened criminals for a long time.

JMO

Honestly i think of the NY Escapees as hardened criminals. DW had just stabbed someone. Do you know how many teens take knives to school in this country and get into fights with knives. This has been happening for decades in this country. Beating a wife/girlfriend or threatening her - sadly, also happens all the time.

 

[jjenny]

So far the only trace evidence we know about is the pizza crust. If this remains the case it is fair to assume that perhaps DW was not the last one to leave the house. Maybe someone else was tasked with final cleanup? It also means that this was a very methodical crime. DW graduated from traffic violations beating up girls, and attacking someone with a knife to this crime??
I believe this crime was planned and perpetrated by someone with knowledge of sophisticated criminal craft. Where could DW have learned such things?

What sophisticated criminal craft? DW wasn't even smart enough to finish his pizza, thus leaving his saliva on the crust.

 

[BondGirl]

:yeahthat: :goodpost: I think Wint was learning the "crime" of home invasion and someone with higher knowledge than he in the gang had the know how to take down the security system. Their DNA also is not in the system yet. I think it was a collaboration of more than one person as LE has said from the beginning. Maybe head honcho wear gloves and didn't eat pizza. Wint was only the protégé, but indeed the most evil of all.

Wint was responsible for finding homes that would likely be easy to invade. Case the joints and learn people's routines. Savopoulos' home high on his list to invade. Little did the rest of the gang know that Wint was going to go psycho slasher with the family. I think Wint was the punk tasked with cleaning up after this crime. He probably learned how to take down a security system with this crime and the rest that are involved learned he wasn't afraid to burn someone alive and beat and stab others to death.

What a waste! This guy had all the opportunities at his fingertips in the Land of Opportunity starting with Mr. Savopoulos, and this dirt bag chose to use his powers for evil instead of good.

Uh, we aren't sure that they took out the alarm system, are we? The S family likely didn't have it turned on. And even if DVR was taken, that doesn't mean the system wasn't sophisticated enough to store data in the cloud. We don't have the facts so i wouldn't assume that DW and gang were clever/successful.

 

[jjenny]

Honestly i think of the NY Escapees as hardened criminals. DW had just stabbed someone. Do you know how many teens take knives to school in this country and get into fights with knives. This has been happening for decades in this country. Beating a wife/girlfriend or threatening her - sadly, also happens all the time.

Pretty bizarre assertion, considering you can kill someone by "just stabbing them."

 

[MyBelle]

:yeahthat: :goodpost: I think Wint was learning the "crime" of home invasion and someone with higher knowledge than he in the gang had the know how to take down the security system. Their DNA also is not in the system yet. I think it was a collaboration of more than one person as LE has said from the beginning. Maybe head honcho wear gloves and didn't eat pizza. Wint was only the protégé, but indeed the most evil of all.

Wint was responsible for finding homes that would likely be easy to invade. Case the joints and learn people's routines. Savopoulos' home high on his list to invade. Little did the rest of the gang know that Wint was going to go psycho slasher with the family. I think Wint was the punk tasked with cleaning up after this crime. He probably learned how to take down a security system with this crime and the rest that are involved learned he wasn't afraid to burn someone alive and beat and stab others to death.

What a waste! This guy had all the opportunities at his fingertips in the Land of Opportunity starting with Mr. Savopoulos, and this dirt bag chose to use his powers for evil instead of good.

BBM. One of the problems I have with Wint doing the slashing is that, while it seems blood was found on his shoe, it seems to have been little to the point he didn't see it. Which makes me think he may have stepped into the blood at some point and didn't realize it. I would think a slasher would have blood on top of his shoes.

JMO

 

[BondGirl]

How about not leaving any evidence behind beside the pizza crust? Not being seen or heard coming or going and controlling that house? Skirting the alarm and cameras that SS had? Their are tricks to every trade.
Have you learned or mastered any trade, craft or art before?

You don't know that they skirted anything. LE said they had a lot of video. They certainly didn't skirt the embassy, the church parking lot and we don't know what S's alarm system sent to the cloud or monitoring service. We also don't know they weren't seen - the Porsche was seen on NY Avenue and a neighbor saw something that made him stop his car. You are assuming a lot here.

 

[jjenny]

How about not leaving any evidence behind beside the pizza crust? Not being seen or heard coming or going and controlling that house? Skirting the alarm and cameras that SS had? Their are tricks to every trade.
Have you learned or mastered any trade, craft or art before?

No evidence beside the pizza crust? First of all, that doesn't appear to be true at all, at least if you believe what is being reported. Second of all, even if he left just the pizza crust, that by itself is plenty.

 

[MyBelle]

Honestly i think of the NY Escapees as hardened criminals. DW had just stabbed someone. Do you know how many teens take knives to school in this country and get into fights with knives. This has been happening for decades in this country. Beating a wife/girlfriend or threatening her - sadly, also happens all the time.

Yes and when murders result, prosecutions usually follow so I'm not sure of your point.

The young son was reportedly tortured. That is a step well beyond taking a knife to school stage.

JMO