DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #20

[corundogs]

It's in the transcript of the prelim.

I know the doggie door with the duct tape was. I am talking about the dogs being outside. I honestly don't ever remember ACTUALLY reading that in reports. I know it was speculated a lot here. I am not saying it wasn't said, but I just don't remember.

 

[corundogs]

Judge sounds pretty tough "You will not make speeches in my courtroom"

I finally got to that point. Yes, that was pretty harsh. But I am not sure I got why he said it. Why was he accusing her of making speeches when she was telling him about the open search warrants? At a bench conference? LOL!!

Anyway, that open search warrant that is about to be executed is actually really interesting to me! Where do they think they are...after all this time? And do they really think that someone would ACTUALLY still have them, again, after all this time?? If they are found, that person needs to be top of the list of stupid criminals. Just sayin'!!!

 

[WilsonVB]

I finally got to that point. Yes, that was pretty harsh. But I am not sure I got why he said it. Why was he accusing her of making speeches when she was telling him about the open search warrants? At a bench conference? LOL!!

Anyway, that open search warrant that is about to be executed is actually really interesting to me! Where do they think they are...after all this time? And do they really think that someone would ACTUALLY still have them, again, after all this time?? If they are found, that person needs to be top of the list of stupid criminals. Just sayin'!!!

I know. I thought this was one of the most interesting things in the transcript. I feel like they are really looking for something bigger than DW

 

[jjenny]

I know the doggie door with the duct tape was. I am talking about the dogs being outside. I honestly don't ever remember ACTUALLY reading that in reports. I know it was speculated a lot here. I am not saying it wasn't said, but I just don't remember.

"One neighbor told the Washington Post that he had not seen anything unusual at the home. A grass cutting crew had been there that morning as usual and the couple's dogs were in the yard at the time of the fire, he said."



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[blessedlife]

Exactly.
Ago trying to argue the pizza DNA would only prove DW was there on the 13th. Said there still is no proof he was there on the 14th...well except there's his DNA on the green vest in the getaway Porsche on the 14th..

Also, sounds like W3 had a pretty good look at whoever was driving that car. Maybe good enough to identify in a photo lineup which is why LE is so convinced it was DW in the horrible-couldn't-see-crap-or-identify-myself video.


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[rkf]

Whoa!!!! There is no reason for him to have that letter. Very shady!!!

Unless he was going to renew the Mosler registration. Makes a lot more sense than having the actual registration IMO. JW could renew the registration online, but he'd either need SS' email and password or could create his own for the purpose of renewing the reg. Wonder why he never got around to it. It is a 2 minute process.

 

[rkf]

Would techs working crime scene at S home after murders have ordered Domino's and a LE photog mistakenly photograph it?

That's apparently what happened. Bach said it was pizza ordered by ATF while they were working at the scene. Photos were not taken by mobile crime, but possibly by the ME on May 15th or 16th. Not crime scene photos.

 

[rkf]

I don't get why they didn't arrest the brother.

Sounds like he was turning his own brother in!

 

[rkf]

Wint was turning himself in and the police were directing him to the right place? But the marshals swooped in? If this is so... why all the extra people (he didn't know) and the money orders? Why would he have the money at all, or knifes?

Maybe they weren't really turning him in, or DW wasn't really turning himself in, but as Katydid23 said, the brother was smart enough to have reason to be near the proceeds of the crime if he was to be picked up while in its presence! Pretty smart if that's what he was doing...

 

[katydid23]

Wint was turning himself in and the police were directing him to the right place? But the marshals swooped in? If this is so... why all the extra people (he didn't know) and the money orders? Why would he have the money at all, or knifes?

I think my husband's theory is correct. What would you do if you were going to drive your brother to jail, probably for the rest of his life? My hubby said he'd get his brother a hotel room and a couple of escorts....:giggle:

 

[katydid23]

They had to pick a number between 35 and 50. So they picked 40.

I think it has to do with how much cash the bank has on hand on such short notice. I am sure SS would rather have 50k delivered but 40 was all they could do?

 

[rkf]

Sooooo, I'm really hoping they have a bit more evidence during trial. It sounds as if the Defense is going to make argument that the pizza they recovered with the Wints DNA was actually outside in the garbage can. I know LE knows it was in the house but geez man, could that create reasonable doubt to a jury???? Pleeeeze let there be more. [emoji120]


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The pizza photos that Ago wanted to introduce were taken days after people had been traipsing through the crime scene and ATF had been on the scene working. The pizza was eaten by the ATF guys and thrown in the trash. The judge didn't allow the photos because Ago was insinuating that the pizza that had DW's DNA on it was found in the trash, when in reality, that pizza was found in the bedroom with the adult victims. After the crime scene photos were taken on the 14th, the ME came in and took photos on the 15th or 16th. Ago wasn't sure of the date and didn't appear to even be sure where he got the photos. He seemed to settle on the ME after trying to call them crime scene photos because there was an MPD in one of the photos. Seems to me there was MPD all over the scene for weeks, but that's just how it appeared to me from the outside. Bach initially tried to say that the photos were taken 2 1/2 weeks after the fire by defense investigators, but backed off when she learned of MPD in the photos.

Anyway, Ago was trying to pull a fast one, but Bach jumped in and explained that there was no way those were crime scene photos and anything could have happened at the scene in the interim between the FD,LE and mobile crime arriving on scene and the ME taking her photos. Apparently after the crime scene photos were taken, it was no longer a pristine crime scene. I've never heard of people eating pizza in the middle of investigating a crime scene, but why would I? Seems rather unappetizing. I am somewhat confused about whether the knife found in the trash was mixed in with the ATF pizza or if it was found separately and Ago tried to throw the pizza in with it. Also, what's with the bag of clothes found in the trash bag? Was that with the knife or with the pizza?

 

[katydid23]

I totally get what you are saying! I mean, if my boss told me to take out "between 35 and 50 THOUSAND DOLLARS"...I am not even sure how I would handle that request. OK, wait...yes, I am. I would take out $50,000. I have always been one to be on the safe side. LOL!! If my Mom asked "Do you need $10 or $20"...$20 it was! LOL!!

I guess I would just take the $50K and say we can redeposit any extra. So yeah, $40K is weird to me. Always has been. And we still don't have a rational explanation for it. Oh well...like you said.

But if you are going to an auction then you don't know exactly how much you need. And I think he was just saying I need at least 35k, more if you can...

ETA: I know he wasn't really going to an auction, but that would be the way he would explain to the accountant, JMO

 

[rkf]

I don't think Ago said that.

Bach said "I don't think that he needs to specify for the defense exactly how we have confirmed that they're (sic) Winfield defendant if that's what he is, is not truly a Winfield defendant."
Then later Ago backs up from trying to portray JW as a viable alternative defendant and says he's just trying to establish JW's credibility, or lack thereof: "W-1 is a crucial witness in this case, Your Honor, and if we can -- there are statements that W-1's made to the police, and what we are trying to do is explore W-1's credibility. And I think we're allowed to do that. It's not a Winfield -- we're not --"

Sounds like Ago was fishing for information, floating JW out there as coming into the house to commit the murders after DW left after his pizza dinner, but once he got called on that, he switched to discrediting JW as a witness. Doesn't the prosecution have to turn over evidence that confirms JW's whereabouts during the crime, or no? Why the fishing expedition if the defense will receive all this information anyway? Legal Eagles? Help?

 

[rkf]

I know the doggie door with the duct tape was. I am talking about the dogs being outside. I honestly don't ever remember ACTUALLY reading that in reports. I know it was speculated a lot here. I am not saying it wasn't said, but I just don't remember.

One neighbor told the Washington Post that he had not seen anything unusual at the home. A grass cutting crew had been there that morning as usual and the couple's dogs were in the yard at the time of the fire, he said.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...om-killed-father-brother-Washington-home.html

 

[rkf]

I think my husband's theory is correct. What would you do if you were going to drive your brother to jail, probably for the rest of his life? My hubby said he'd get his brother a hotel room and a couple of escorts....:giggle:

He just left his girlfriend's house! I know - I'm naive. LOL

 

[rkf]

TRANSCRIPT RECEIVED!!!!!!! So, is it against TOS to post it here? MUST READ!!!!! [emoji3][emoji3][emoji3][emoji3][emoji3]


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Blessedlife, I'm sorry I wasn't paying attention this morning. I would have been happy to put the transcript on dropbox. I'm glad you found a solution. Thank you so much for doing this for all of us!

 

[katydid23]

I don't think Ago said that.

Bach said "I don't think that he needs to specify for the defense exactly how we have confirmed that they're (sic) Winfield defendant if that's what he is, is not truly a Winfield defendant."
Then later Ago backs up from trying to portray JW as a viable alternative defendant and says he's just trying to establish JW's credibility, or lack thereof: "W-1 is a crucial witness in this case, Your Honor, and if we can -- there are statements that W-1's made to the police, and what we are trying to do is explore W-1's credibility. And I think we're allowed to do that. It's not a Winfield -- we're not --"

Sounds like Ago was fishing for information, floating JW out there as coming into the house to commit the murders after DW left after his pizza dinner, but once he got called on that, he switched to discrediting JW as a witness. Doesn't the prosecution have to turn over evidence that confirms JW's whereabouts during the crime, or no? Why the fishing expedition if the defense will receive all this information anyway? Legal Eagles? Help?

I will wait for the real legal eagles to give a more professional response. But I can say that my Dad fished for as much info about the state's case as he possibly could during the prelims. The sooner you have an idea of where they are going, the sooner you can begin digging for defensive counter arguments.

They were going hard at JW to see if he was vulnerable and would make a good 'plan B' during the trial. I think they might be giving up on that for now. They are going for the unreliability of the forensics, incompetence of the techs and detectives, and looking for a new 'plan B.' Maybe a brother or cousin?

 

[Skigirl]

Sounds like he was turning his own brother in!

Reward money.

 

[Skigirl]

Another possibility I was thinking is that maybe the fact that the dogs weren’t killed speaks to no gun on the premises and involved in the crime at all. He may have been certain to want the dogs contained and maybe getting them in the basement may have been something the monster accomplished by forcing one of the victims to do. He may not have realized there was a door to the outside from the basement, if there was as Skigirl mentioned might be possible, as she has one for her cats I believe. Maybe that's why the dogs were found outside. IDK??

Yes, perhaps my set-up for the cats is what the S family had for their dogs. I didn't want to cut a hole in any of the exterior doors on our first floor because they are in conspicuous locations and some of the doors are pretty decorative, so I had a cat door put in the door to the basement from the kitchen, and then a door through the exterior wall in the basement to the outdoors because for reasons too boring to get into, it was easier than going through the exterior basement door. The cats can get to the basement (which is nice because we put their food bowls down there so we don't trip over them in the kitchen) and then from the basement they can get outside. We contemplated dog-sized doors so that both the cats and the dogs could use them, but decided we didn't really want the dogs outside unattended when no one was home.