DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #6

[kammiemc]

Just noting that I am not aware of any independent evidence that corroborates W1's statement that he dropped $40,000 at the house. I think we only know that more than 10,000 was found when DW was arrested. JMO.

One mind-boggling thing that people have not discussed much is that news accounts say that NG was contacted by the driver Thurs AM to confirm that he dropped off $40k to SS. I guess there is a chance that they got mixed up between NG and the driver's girlfriend, but the news articles said that NG said that she was contacted by the driver. Why would he contact her to let her know that? Did SS say something to him to try and get him to clue in NG so that she would know something was suspicious? (Unfortunately, I am sure the abuser would have made him pay for that.) If she's not involved, and I am having a hard time imagining that she would be, did she also know ahead of time about the $40k?

One other way that LE might know about the dollar amount is if texts and voicemails were exchanged confirming that amount.

 

[kammiemc]

Someone posted here that he had an upcoming race (I think in CA) this summer. So he also could have meant that. Or he could have meant his $20k cut. But the former seems more likely.

 

[al66pine]

This made me think -- maybe the security system tracks when all doors/windows open. If there's no record of the garage door opening, it would mean W1 could have only gone through the house to put the money in the car. And if he'd done that, he might have noticed something fishy going on. Is it possible LE has access to the security log and that's why they're grilling him on these details? Maybe they think he never dropped off the money at the house. ?

bbm

Yes, good thinking.
Not familiar w home sec. systems & access log for garage door.
Maybe a feature ins. carriers w/ require for coverage for vehicles like some of S fam-
exotic, vintage, race cars. IIUC, Gecko, Flo, et al don't provide coverage for the Mosler or its close kin.


A few yrs ago when a friend bought a 35+ y/o imported car, application for car ins. w a 'specialty carrier' asked detailed questions about storage. I don't recall anything specific about home sec. logs, but then again the car was not $700,000 exotic. . Not close. Not even 6 figures. LOL

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Interesting. I just thought of a legit reason for the photo of the money.

I kept thinking of how uncomfortable I would be if my employer called me and told me to pick up some money, then to drop off the money in a car at their home. Esp. if it was a fairly new employer and/or if this was something new.

Could he have taken photos to show yes he picked the money, that he put the money in the car. Could he have been trying to cover his rear? Then sent the photos to the gf trying to get a 'witness'.

Though I still haven't figured out why he wouldn't have told LE about it.

I think not showing the 4 stacks in the photos is what is so suspicious to LE. He could have been doing it to show proof that he was given $20K or at least given the appearance to LE that's what he was doing that caused LE to make such a big deal of only 2 stacks pictured.

 

[corundogs]

One mind-boggling thing that people have not discussed much is that news accounts say that NG was contacted by the driver Thurs AM to confirm that he dropped off $40k to SS. I guess there is a chance that they got mixed up between NG and the driver's girlfriend, but the news articles said that NG said that she was contacted by the driver. Why would he contact her to let her know that? Did SS say something to him to try and get him to clue in NG so that she would know something was suspicious? (Unfortunately, I am sure the abuser would have made him pay for that.) If she's not involved, and I am having a hard time imagining that she would be, did she also know ahead of time about the $40k?

One other way that LE might know about the dollar amount is if texts and voicemails were exchanged confirming that amount.

They would have known about the $40K from the AIW employee that took it out of the bank.

 

[kammiemc]

Yes, agree, they absolutely know how much was taken out. The question posed by the poster was whether there is proof that the driver DROPPED OFF that amount. I don't think we know of any proof aside from his presumed admission or things that were stated in texts and voicemails that LE might know about. They do seem to believe that $40k was dropped off. I am still curious as to why the driver would contact housekeeper #2 (NG) to let her know. There has to be a reason, whether or not the driver was acting innocently or nefariously.

 

[Dushi]

Yes, agree, they absolutely know how much was taken out. The question posed by the poster was whether there is proof that the driver DROPPED OFF that amount. I don't think we know of any proof aside from his presumed admission or things that were stated in texts and voicemails that LE might know about. They do seem to believe that $40k was dropped off. I am still curious as to why the driver would contact housekeeper #2 (NG) to let her know. There has to be a reason, whether or not the driver was acting innocently or nefariously.

Is that for sure?
Is there a link?
I don't recall the source for that.

 

[kammiemc]

I read it in more than one place. I'll try to find!

Here is a snippet from the article: "The Savopoulos' housekeeper, Nelitza Gutierrez, told FOX 5's Paul Wagner that this employee told her that he dropped off the cash on Thursday morning. Sources say he picked up the cash earlier that morning from the American Iron Works company owned by Savopoulos."

Here is the link if it works http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/29129466/savopoulos-assistant

 

[Dushi]

I read it in more than one place. I'll try to find!

Could we have assumed that before we knew W2 wasn't the HK?

And thanks

 

[birpu]

Interesting. I just thought of a legit reason for the photo of the money.

I kept thinking of how uncomfortable I would be if my employer called me and told me to pick up some money, then to drop off the money in a car at their home. Esp. if it was a fairly new employer and/or if this was something new.

Could he have taken photos to show yes he picked the money, that he put the money in the car. Could he have been trying to cover his rear? Then sent the photos to the gf trying to get a 'witness'.

Though I still haven't figured out why he wouldn't have told LE about it.

But he already had corroboration from the employee that $40k went into the red bag. It's in his statement (and the employee put the money in the red bag, not W-1 as someone else just stated). What would the GF be witness to? A picture of some of the money in the bag where? He is having trouble with what happened AFTER it was no longer in the bag, IMO.
The picture in the bag wouldn't give him proof of delivering it.

 

[Cassie P]

Me neither, but IF I was the type to take a photo of it, I'd take a photo of ALL of it. Why show $20,000 when you could show $40,000? Doesn't make sense.

Good point, if he was showing off for the gf, why not show the whole amt.
Brings us back to St. Mary's explanation.

 

[rkf]

Interesting. I just thought of a legit reason for the photo of the money.

I kept thinking of how uncomfortable I would be if my employer called me and told me to pick up some money, then to drop off the money in a car at their home. Esp. if it was a fairly new employer and/or if this was something new.

Could he have taken photos to show yes he picked the money, that he put the money in the car. Could he have been trying to cover his rear? Then sent the photos to the gf trying to get a 'witness'.

Though I still haven't figured out why he wouldn't have told LE about it.

Wouldn't you take a photo of ALL the money, if that was the reason? Half doesn't seem like it would prove you had delivered all of it. That's what gets me - why half instead of all?

 

[kammiemc]

I was thinking the HK/W2 thing might have mixed up the reporter. However, I've read a couple times that NG told the reporter that the driver told her he delivered $40k to the house for the martial arts studio opening. I guess there is a possibility that they spoke to each other after learning about the murders and he told her then. However, the way it has been written in articles, it sounded like he had called her after delivery to let her know. (Maybe I am just assuming that because other reports made it sound like he had no contact with the victims close circle of family and friends after learning of the murders.)

 

[Cassie P]

I think not showing the 4 stacks in the photos is what is so suspicious to LE. He could have been doing it to show proof that he was given $20K or at least given the appearance to LE that's what he was doing that caused LE to make such a big deal of only 2 stacks pictured.

I agree, if he is showing off to his g/f or if he is showing proof of the transaction, why show half the amount? There must be another explanation.

 

[rkf]

I was thinking the HK/W2 thing might have mixed up the reporter. However, I've read a couple times that NG told the reporter that the driver told her he delivered $40k to the house for the martial arts studio opening. I guess there is a possibility that they spoke to each other after learning about the murders and he told her then. However, the way it has been written in articles, it sounded like he had called her after delivery to let her know. (Maybe I am just assuming that because other reports made it sound like he had no contact with the victims close circle of family and friends after learning of the murders.)

I remember reading that, too. But then later NG backtracked and said she didn't know anything about the money. I kind of wonder if she heard about it elsewhere and then tried to sound like she knew about it until she realized it didn't look good to know...

 

[Dushi]

I remember reading that, too. But then later NG backtracked and said she didn't know anything about the money. I kind of wonder if she heard about it elsewhere and then tried to sound like she knew about it until she realized it didn't look good to know...

^^^ This

I think so

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Wouldn't you take a photo of ALL the money, if that was the reason? Half doesn't seem like it would prove you had delivered all of it. That's what gets me - why half instead of all?

There's also more the one picture...we don't know how many pictures he took, but it's more than one.

 

[katydid23]

Well LE certainly knows more about the red bag with money than we do. In the charging docs, it says "...the text contained dialogue and photos of a red lined bag..."

So that's "photos" - plural. And dialogue.
The dialogue would sure be handy to figure out why he sent it to his gf.

True. And IF the text said something like:

"We R in da $$$$ Bae"


then he would have been arrested already, imo. JMO

 

[Dushi]

True. And IF the text said something like:

"We R in da $$$$ Bae"


then he would have been arrested already, imo. JMO

O/T

Made me laugh

 

[Cassie P]

If W1 was involved... There would be know need for him to drop the money at the house. And... He couldn't be so STUPID as to take picture of the money if he really was involved. Right?

Just like no one would be stupid enough to return to the scene of the crime (a quad murder) with an entourage and huge truck.