DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #9

[SpanishInquisition]

The forced entry may have been while only Vera was home. It does sound like that entry was on the back of the house.

JMO

AS was supposedly staying home with PS who skipped school due to his concussion, so there would have been at least three people in the home or two if AS stepped out and left PS in her care. This is why I wonder how long the kidnapping had been going on and if certain things were a ruse, like that PS didn't really need to miss school where for instance this could have been done on a Tuesday where if PS was at school he wouldn't be there and there wouldn't have been a reason for AS to have been home. Tuesday is the earliest I could see where only one person would be in the home.

 

[Skigirl]

I know a lot of LE officers. Let me say this: IF they were interrogating JW with the thoughts that he was involved in this brutal crime, AND he was sitting there holding his cell and showing them calls on the log, and IF they wanted his phone, THERE IS NO WAY JW LEFT WITH PHONE IN HAND. Just sayin....LOL

Good grief. I hope that's not true. Interrogations are usually taped, and an illegal seizure/search would be a sure fire way to get that evidence excluded.

 

[katydid23]

Several thoughts:

1. The search warrant goes back several days before the crime. Could be because it was early days and they wanted to err on the side of inclusiveness because they didn't know what they were dealing with.
2. The Secret Service guards the President/VP/families and investigates currency crimes. I assume they were there because of the money.
3. JW did not give them his phone, he showed them his phone. Whatever the persuasive powers of LE, if he had given them his phone it would have said so. This is the information going to the judge. It doesn't mean he is involved but it does mean he was not cooperating completely, at least in the first day or two.

BBM

Maybe they did not ask for him to leave it, at that time. And they got a warrant instead. They did get the chance to look at the recent call log and then they let him leave. IF THEY HAD TAKEN IT, without a warrant, it might have been denied at trail later on. JMO

 

[bostonstrong]

well i was making the conclusion that he didnt, since they went out and got a search warrent for it anyways.

now how does that make any sense? get the search warrent after you already got what you wanted?

 

[Paulas88]

The forced entry may have been while only Vera was home. It does sound like that entry was on the back of the house.

JMO

I would think that the dogs would have been going crazy, whether inside or out? Maybe while AS & PS were walking the dogs?

 

[yepitsme]

How do you know that the detectives asked to keep his phone?

It would be quicker and easier than getting a warrant. Their interaction with him was significant enough to be included in the charging documents. They wanted that phone.

 

[Joe Friday]

I wonder what JW's explanation is to where the red bag is. After all it was he who said he took the money out of the red bag and placed it in a manila envelope which was in his car at the time. That would mean that he should still have the red bag. Doesn't it? Apparently not if LE is still looking for it.

 

[katydid23]

Good Grief. I hope that's not true. Interrogations are usually taped, and an illegal seizure/search would be a sure fire way to get that evidence excluded.

They would have convinced him to give it to them,imo. I did not say they would have illegally seized it. They know they are on tape. But a 10 yr old was set on fire alive. So they would not let someone walk away with needed evidence without them getting a good look at it first. JMO

 

[yepitsme]

BBM

Maybe they did not ask for him to leave it, at that time. And they got a warrant instead. They did get the chance to look at the recent call log and then they let him leave. IF THEY HAD TAKEN IT, without a warrant, it might have been denied at trail later on. JMO

If he gave it to them they don;t need a warrant.

 

[Elley Mae]

I guess RA didn't see the damage.


The husband of Veralicia Figueroa, the housekeeper who was killed alongside her employers in their DC mansion last week, has described the moment he went in vain to find his wife.

Bernardo Alfaro went to his wife's place of work on Embassy Row last Thursday after she didn't return home on Wednesday night and his calls went straight to voicemail.

After banging on the door with no answer, and aimlessly calling her phone, he walked round to look through a back window.

http://www.floridanewstime.com/regi...from-inside-saying-his-wife-wasn-t-there.html

 

[kammiemc]

Did W1 turn over the now infamous "red bag"?

In the search warrant application for the vehicles, police said they were looking for a red bag used to hold the ransom money, clothing or shoes with blood on them, credit cards and other paperwork from the Savopoulos home, weapons “that could be used to inflict blunt force trauma,” duct tape used to bind hands and feet, digital recordings from surveillance cameras in the home and money wrappers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...1c5d44e_story.html?postshare=5361433357837407

Wait, are you saying that LE thinks a red bag was used to carry those things?! Holy smokes. Common sense would say that that COULD be the same red bag carried by Jordan Wallace and listed in the court doc and shown in the photo with exactly half of the ransom money in it.

Even if I am getting what you are saying right, someone out there will still say "that's just another coincidence that JW had a red bag just like the people doing the crime. That doesn't prove anything!" Committed fans all the way to the end of the game.

 

[MyBelle]

All that means is that the insider didn't escort the captors into the house. Unless it is the insider's boot. But assuming the insider wanted the crime to appear unrelated to an insider and for the family not to see him or her, it was in his or her best interest to make it look like (actually BE) a break in. If I made a deal with DW to hold my boss hostage so we could split the loot, I would definitely say, "Make it look like a break in." i always assumed the house was broken into by the intruders AND an insider was involved in the money part of it.

BBM. If an insider is involved in any way whatsoever, the blood is also on their hands.

JMO

 

[al66pine]

Q raised earlier today (sorry, forgot who asked), rephrased a bit.
Why take vics' phones and/or comm devices from home crime scene?
Why not leave there to be destroyed in fire perp was setting?
Poss answer = perp knew fire might not consume all phones & devices.

Other more likely poss, imo, = perp thought:
'Swell swag that my chums & I can use. Free air time, talk time, better quality, more features, newer v. of Angry-Birds.* When devices die, throw em away.'

As posters noted - DDW is not up to speed on e-trails & current forensics.
JM2cts, could be wrong.


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* I apologize for A-B stale example but as quasi-Luddite, LOL, it seems I am one of only 5 ppl west of the Mississippi River w'out iPhone, smartphone, or equiv.

 

[katydid23]

well i was making the conclusion that he didnt, since they went out and got a search warrent for it anyways.

now how does that make any sense? get the search warrent after you already got what you wanted?

To obtain cellphone location records, warrant is needed ...
www.washingtonpost.com/...cellphone...warrant.../a...
The Washington Post
Jun 11, 2014 - “We hold that cell site location information is within the subscriber's ... Cell tower location records were used to place Davis and five others near the ... expectation of privacy, it is our policy to obtain a search warrant,” he said.



If LE wanted the cell tower records then they needed more than one person consent, imo. It is safer for them to obtain a legal warrant.

 

[corundogs]

AS was supposedly staying home with PS who skipped school due to his concussion, so there would have been at least three people in the home or two if AS stepped out and left PS in her care. This is why I wonder how long the kidnapping had been going on and if certain things were a ruse, like that PS didn't really need to miss school where for instance this could have been done on a Tuesday where if PS was at school he wouldn't be there and there wouldn't have been a reason for AS to have been home. Tuesday is the earliest I could see where only one person would be in the home.

You know what?????

This post just gave me an "AH HA" moment!!

Let's just say AS was out running an errand while VF was home with PS.

And then DW kicked in the door. And the demanded that VF call AS to get her home to obtain whatever.

And THAT is when the Porsche was seen speeding wildly and erratically on Wednesday afternoon - trying to get home to her kidnapped son and housekeeper!!!!!

I could be way off. But this makes me think that is what happened...

As far as Tuesday being a possibility. NO! SS was at work normally all day Wednesday.

 

[Joe Friday]

Several thoughts:

1. The search warrant goes back several days before the crime. Could be because it was early days and they wanted to err on the side of inclusiveness because they didn't know what they were dealing with.
2. The Secret Service guards the President/VP/families and investigates currency crimes. I assume they were there because of the money.
3. JW did not give them his phone, he showed them his phone. Whatever the persuasive powers of LE, if he had given them his phone it would have said so. This is the information going to the judge. It doesn't mean he is involved but it does mean he was not cooperating completely, at least in the first day or two.

SW goes back several days to see who Mr. S, Mrs. S, JW might have been in contact with in the days prior to the crime. The cell phone records will list all calls and text messages made and received from each phone and whom these calls and text messages where made to and received from.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are many other SW that remain sealed. Likely SW for those found with DW at the time he was arrested.

JMO

 

[corundogs]

well i was making the conclusion that he didnt, since they went out and got a search warrent for it anyways.

now how does that make any sense? get the search warrent after you already got what you wanted?

To get the ping records and verify his story...makes perfect sense to me.

 

[katydid23]

I guess RA didn't see the damage.


The husband of Veralicia Figueroa, the housekeeper who was killed alongside her employers in their DC mansion last week, has described the moment he went in vain to find his wife.

Bernardo Alfaro went to his wife's place of work on Embassy Row last Thursday after she didn't return home on Wednesday night and his calls went straight to voicemail.

After banging on the door with no answer, and aimlessly calling her phone, he walked round to look through a back window.

http://www.floridanewstime.com/regi...from-inside-saying-his-wife-wasn-t-there.html

WOW; strange. I would think that id he saw a broken window and kicked in door that he would have called 911????? How could he miss that? Was it done later as a staging thing?

 

[corundogs]

It would be quicker and easier than getting a warrant. Their interaction with him was significant enough to be included in the charging documents. They wanted that phone.

They still needed the records to get his locations, and verify his story. They didn't need his phone for that.

 

[corundogs]

Wait, are you saying that LE thinks a red bag was used to carry those things?! Holy smokes. Common sense would say that that COULD be the same red bag carried by Jordan Wallace and listed in the court doc and shown in the photo with exactly half of the ransom money in it.

Even if I am getting what you are saying right, someone out there will still say "that's just another coincidence that JW had a red bag just like the people doing the crime. That doesn't prove anything!" Committed fans all the way to the end of the game.

Where are you getting the red bag held anything other than the ransom money?