*DEVELOPING*CO Shooting at Movie Theater #1

[BetteDavisEyes]

Bomb squads disarm traps at Colo. suspect's apt
By MEAD GRUVER and GILLIAN FLACCUS, AP
14 minutes ago

AURORA, Colo. — Authorities on Saturday began disarming trip wires and explosive devices "set up to kill" inside the apartment of the suspect in the deadly Colorado movie theater shooting, hoping to find clues to his motive without destroying key evidence in a blast.

Federal authorities detonated one small explosive and disarmed another inside James Holmes' suburban Denver apartment, but several other explosive devices remained, said Aurora police Sgt. Cassidee Carlson...

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20120720/US.Colorado.Shooting/?cid=hero_media

 

[Reannan]

Here is a picture of JH that I had not seen before....

http://globalgrind.com/news/aurora-...k-knight-movie-38-wounded-photos?gpage=5#gtop

 

[JDB]

I have only heard CNN blurbs. Personally i would assume once the Victims were found deceased it became a crime scene to process and much work to do. It would take time to sweep and search the whole Theatre as well. One CNN report stated it took time to I.D. some as cell phones and personal items were strewn in a chaotic scene. Not all had I.D. on their person. For the Families it had to be horrible but LE had a crime scene. A large crime scene.

Bravo that is kind of what I was thinking myself. Along with having to wait for the tear gas to clear out.

 

[21merc7]

Aurora, Colorado Movie Theater Shooting: Prayer Vigils Planned

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...yer-vigils_n_1690167.html?utm_hp_ref=religion

 

[ggg]

http://ssristories.com/index.php

"Unexplained" violence linked to SSRI medication. Was the Colorado shooter being treated for depression?

 

[shadowraiths]

I think he had a lot more than what some call "issues". Most serious intractable mental disorders become apparent at right around his age. The fact that he chose neuroscience as his area of study makes me think it is possible he has been fighting demons privately for some time.

What saddens me is that as a society as long as we refuse to deal with mental illness as a disease and prefer to villianize it as a defense, minimize it as "issues" or claim it is an easy defense to be used to get out of legal responsibility, we will never overcome the stigma that prevents us from better treating it. Mental illness is so poorly dealt with in this society, and until we man up and deal with it like adults we will never be able to prevent these episodes.

Oh, I get what you're saying. He could be suffering from, say, schizophrenia. And, unlike what is often sensationalized in the media, he may, instead, be exhibiting negative symptoms. For example, paucity of speech, lack of affect, that sort of thing.

Even so, psychosis and violence are simply not highly correlated. Regardless of news breaking headlines that lead us to engage in the sort of sweeping generalizations that anyone who would engage in the sort of behavior this man has, must be crazy. In reality, there is a much higher correlation between drug abuse and violence (specifically alcohol, which makes up 60% of drug correlated violent crimes).

That said, I do agree that we, as a society, need to stop demonizing mental illness, and find more effective means to treat it. Even so, to believe that doing so will lead to identifying and preventing violently psychotic outbreaks, is unrealistic. Moreover, the means to prevent said outbreaks, arguably, flies in the face of our constitutional rights. That is, unless we want to revert to supporting compulsory medication and 60s-style institutionalization of anyone who subjectively "acts crazy."

In the end, while hindsight may turn out to be 20/20. And, should we learn that this man was suffering from some sort of mental illness. All that will do is to explain why he did what he did. Even if we (being the universal we) engage in discussing the shoulda, coulda, wouldas, until the cows come home.

 

[21merc7]

Good photos of today's apartment disabling of bomb activity (and more) here: Including a **graphic** photo, as noted by Benny08.


Colorado shooting: Aurora police disable booby traps; families and friends mourn victims



http://photos.mercurynews.com/2012/...urora-colorado-leaves-12-dead-dozens-injured/

 

[redsky]

I am still trying to figure out the Vicodin situation from a personal standpoint because I know that someone can quickly OD on it not just from the Hydrocodone but the acetaminophen.
Has anyone read this anywhere other than TMZ? I personally find them to be sensationalist often.
Possible combos for the vicodin to equal the 100mg he "took."
Vicodin pill could be (hydrocodone mg / acetaminophen mg)
1> 5mg/325 mg = he would have taken 20 pills to equal 100mg hydrocodone that would give him 6,500mg of acetaminophen. He wouldn't have been able to do anything even if he was a hardcore addict. acetaminophen overdose can happen at 4,000mg.
2> 5mg/500mg = he would have taken 20 pills to equal 100mg hydrocodone that would give him 10,000mg of acetaminophen. He would have overdosed quickly even if he was a hardcore addict. acetaminophen overdose can happen at 4,000mg.
3> 10mg/325mg - he would have taken 10 pills to equal 100mg hydrocodone that would give him 3,250mg of acetaminophen, acetaminophen overdose can happen at 4,000mg. This IS the mostly likely combination IF he actually took 100mg of Vicodin.
4> 10mg/500mg - he would have taken 10 pills to equal 100mg hydrocodone that would give him 5,000mg of acetaminophen. He would be very sick even if he was a hardcore addict. acetaminophen overdose can happen at 4,000mg.

Sorry for harping on it but I agree - I don't want drugs blamed for what he did. This isn't about drug control this is about the evil that that __________ had in heart and soul.

 

[matou]

I want to know what his thesis was according to his prof in charge of his PhD. I want to know if he was studying fear response and that he may have been conducting his own "experiment" on human subjects while at the movie theatre. I wish I was joking about this but I'm not.

 

[shadowraiths]

Just one example that a good person, within a pretty short amout of time, can develope an unvillig and strong urge to kill, evilness if you will, due to a specific located braintumor.
Just saying that it IS possible to turn evil against your will.

Oh, I agree. Consider the case of the 1960s texas sniper, Charles Whitman ( link ). While it is still hotly debated whether or not his brain tumor was a mitigating factor to his eventual violent outcome, I, for one, strongly feel that the tumor played a huge role in the result.

Wrt the pics you posted. I recall them but didn't save copies, unfortunately. Will still keep a look out, anyway.

 

[jaroba07]

Welcome to Websleuths DBREE!!!

So sad for all those who have lost their lives. Hoping the families who have lost someone during this tragedy can find some peace. I also hope all those who survived will be okay.

Their lives have been forever changed.

 

[nursebeeme]

mod note: Shelby2 is a verified insider (just in case this has not been posted yet)

 

[shadowraiths]

I want to know what his thesis was according to his prof in charge of his PhD. I want to know if he was studying fear response and that he may have been conducting his own "experiment" on human subjects while at the movie theatre. I wish I was joking about this but I'm not.

Well, if he was, his "experiment" certainly would not have passed IRB. Just sayin...

 

[mysterygirl]

I am still trying to figure out the Vicodin situation from a personal standpoint because I know that someone can quickly OD on it not just from the Hydrocodone but the acetaminophen.
Has anyone read this anywhere other than TMZ? I personally find them to be sensationalist often.
Possible combos for the vicodin to equal the 100mg he "took."
Vicodin pill could be (hydrocodone mg / acetaminophen mg)
1> 5mg/325 mg = he would have taken 20 pills to equal 100mg hydrocodone that would give him 6,500mg of acetaminophen. He wouldn't have been able to do anything even if he was a hardcore addict. acetaminophen overdose can happen at 4,000mg.
2> 5mg/500mg = he would have taken 20 pills to equal 100mg hydrocodone that would give him 10,000mg of acetaminophen. He would have overdosed quickly even if he was a hardcore addict. acetaminophen overdose can happen at 4,000mg.
3> 10mg/325mg - he would have taken 10 pills to equal 100mg hydrocodone that would give him 3,250mg of acetaminophen, acetaminophen overdose can happen at 4,000mg. This IS the mostly likely combination IF he actually took 100mg of Vicodin.
4> 10mg/500mg - he would have taken 10 pills to equal 100mg hydrocodone that would give him 5,000mg of acetaminophen. He would be very sick even if he was a hardcore addict. acetaminophen overdose can happen at 4,000mg.

Sorry for harping on it but I agree - I don't want drugs blamed for what he did. This isn't about drug control this is about the evil that that __________ had in heart and soul.

TMZ and others got it from one source and I can't remember who did the original article.

I really think it's just sloppy reporting.

If it isn't then he is a chronic opiate user with an epic tolerance and I just don't think that's the case..........could be.......but I doubt it.

You can take about 2500 to 3000mg of tylenol a day, up to 4000 if healthy. Some people take more but it is not good for your liver.

Liver failure from acetaminophen would probably take about 3 days.

Opiates taken in high doses all at once will trigger the chemoreceptors in your brian and you will vomit...........even addicts although less likely.

 

[elmomom]

Oh, I get what you're saying. He could be suffering from, say, schizophrenia. And, unlike what is often sensationalized in the media, he may, instead, be exhibiting negative symptoms. For example, paucity of speech, lack of affect, that sort of thing.

Even so, psychosis and violence are simply not highly correlated. Regardless of news breaking headlines that lead us to engage in the sort of sweeping generalizations that anyone who would engage in the sort of behavior this man has, must be crazy. In reality, there is a much higher correlation between drug abuse and violence (specifically alcohol, which makes up 60% of drug correlated violent crimes).

That said, I do agree that we, as a society, need to stop demonizing mental illness, and find more effective means to treat it. Even so, to believe that doing so will lead to identifying and preventing violently psychotic outbreaks, is unrealistic. Moreover, the means to prevent said outbreaks, arguably, flies in the face of our constitutional rights. That is, unless we want to revert to supporting compulsory medication and 60s-style institutionalization of anyone who subjectively "acts crazy."

In the end, while hindsight may turn out to be 20/20. And, should we learn that this man was suffering from some sort of mental illness. All that will do is to explain why he did what he did. Even if we (being the universal we) engage in discussing the shoulda, coulda, wouldas, until the cows come home.

While I agree with most of what you said, I would like to say I think there is a better middle ground between what we have now and what you call constitutional rights violating institutionalizing and forced medicating.
So many times parents beg to have their children treated, so many times it is quite obvious that people who are medicated are better, and less unstable. And so many homeless are out in the street Becasue there is no institution to house them any longer.
I do think that we need to be less cavalier as a society in saying we cannot force a person to take meds and we cannot institutionalize those that need to be for their own well being. In the sixties, institutions were demolished, but yet were never replaced with any cohesive system whatsoever. And, as far as meds go, the # of schizophrenics that Stop taking their meds is enormous. I am of the belief that there can be a way to compel certain people to take medicines, without violating their constitutional rights. We can compel citizens to be vaccinated for the good of society, why can we not require those with psychiatric illness to take their meds as this also is better for society, in multiple ways, (not just because a small number will become violent)

I wish the country could get over its current infatuation with debating liberal vs conservatism politics and get back to dealing with important issues. Seems to me like we as a nation don't do much of that anymore.

All this is just my humble opinions....

 

[mysterygirl]

http://ssristories.com/index.php

"Unexplained" violence linked to SSRI medication. Was the Colorado shooter being treated for depression?

Well at least one account I read said that he acted depressed.

So it's possible he was on antidepressants.

I think this is more than a medication issue though........

 

[elmomom]

I want to know what his thesis was according to his prof in charge of his PhD. I want to know if he was studying fear response and that he may have been conducting his own "experiment" on human subjects while at the movie theatre. I wish I was joking about this but I'm not.

He was not far along enough in his studies to have developed a thesis project. Usually it takes a couple of years of classes and a few rotates through different labs before a student picks a thesis advisor and a project.

 

[21merc7]

For those that missed it, this link has the video up from today's live feed at the apartment building, and written details below.
http://www.9news.com/news/article/278877/71/Police-continue-to-search-apt-for-explosives-

 

[QueenD]

trip wire was set up to detonate upon entry into the apartment. Was set up to kill that person. LE has successfully defeated the trip wire and first insidiary (sp?) device.

LE on CNN

Wonder how he got out of the apt.?

 

[matou]

Well, if he was, his "experiment" certainly would not have passed IRB. Just sayin...

Oh I know, I'm very curious about what his intentions were for his research in the first place and whether he would have been kicked out of school anyway. He clearly was not intending on dying during his killing spree and he may have been developing his own research. JMO I think he was really enjoying what he was doing.