Discussions on Formal Sentencing Hearing - Jodi Arias #5

[Boytwnmom]

about her ex ONLY getting in trouble AFTER they split. Totally untrue. It was while they were together that Juan was involved in a case that included 1st degree murder. That case went on for over two years until he was sentenced at the time of their wedding. She clearly wanted the court to believe she was never with any husband while they were involved in a criminal proceeding. False, her ex who she had been with for many years, had extremely serious charges being dealt with for over two years while they were togther.

To me, both elements are equally going to result in her being removed for cause during voir dire. Whether it's the fact Juan prosecuted her ex while they were together or her ex had the same charge 1st degree murder as in the JA case or just the fact that her ex had serious charges while they were together-not AFTER. Any/all of those were cause for removal.

The fact she watched the movie wasn't new information though was it? It was to the jurors I guess but I thought we already knew this. I think the proglem was her using the movie in her decision making.

The real issue seems to be that Juan prosecuted her former husband. I don't think the movie was a concern for Juan. But if he'd known about the connection to her he never would have let her on, nor would the judge. The question becomes did she know this. She will probably deny this or have an explanation for it. But I honestly don't believe she didn't know. IMVPO.

 

[FelicityLemon]

Justice4Travis ‏@Justice4TravisA 27m27 minutes ago
Troy Hayden @troyhaydenfox10

Joe Arpaio just told me #JodiArias will be allowed to continue receiving... http://fb.me/1BsNn9elo

Actually, it's okay with me now that we've seen she's being scrutinized and her fans will be under a microscope. Can't hide. This should be interesting.

 

[FelicityLemon]

LOL to accommodate all the deaf felons. JMO

Great. Video chat using sign language to circumvent audio recordings.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

In regards to the abuse BS I agree 100% She pulled it out of thin air as a way to try and save her butt. It also gave her an imaginary platform for her to get up on and be the symbol of abuse. Not only did she get to trash Travis with the story, but she also got to try and become a beacon of hope for all abuse victims(in her own mind) What she really did was cause a lot of damage to the cause of DV and abuse in general. But in her own mind she is a star.

Trying to hurt Travis's family goes back to even before the abuse story came out. Personally, I think her motivation there is more personal. She wants to hurt them, and has wanted to hurt them since the beginning because in her mind they are an extension of Travis. In the letter to Travis's grandmother, while still telling the ninja story, she took digs at Travis. Travis hurt her, and therefore everything Travis ever loved or cared about is fair game in Jodi's twisted mind.

I'm trying to remember where it was that Jodi had a court date and something was mentioned about self defense and about a week later - poof - Jodi started claiming self defense. I' think her first female attorney was in that process. Anyone else? I do remember reading about here on WS.

 

[steelman]

Judge Stephens must have felt a sh##load of heat the last few days.

They released the information about juror #17 in record time.

Things are usually a big secret in her courtroom, but not this time.

Kudo's to everyone that sent e-mails, left voice mails, and signed petitions.

The system DOES work if enough people force it to and hold others accountable.

I feel more confident now that Stephens may give her LWOP----the public demands it.

 

[Val1]

you are assuming there will be an investigation... i personally think they have reviewed the documents from 3/3-3/5 including the questions and jss analysis of the situation...probably looked at voir dire including questionaire and if nothing stands out there which it does not seem to it is done.

I was hoping we'd get to see the minutes about the first Juror Deliberation Questions too... the ones sent on the Thursday iirc. :/

 

[LAcres]

We all know it’s a done deal. She is going to prison for life, whatever life she make out of it. For Jodi, its not even about the murder anymore. She lives in the here and now, how to manipulate what is left to manipulate. She has long forgotten about the actual murder. Its nothing to her, so why should it be for everyone else? Her life is now in a small cell, and what she makes of it, and she will try to make the best of it for herself, through her manipulation or whatever else. She really is a non entity to everyone but herself. What is coming down on her now, is because the pertinent folks, I do believe, thought she would get the DP, so now they are finally cracking down, like Sheriff Joe. A little late, I may say, but good that it is happening. I wanted her to get the due sentence, but I also realize that with LWOP, her chances of this ever getting overturned, are non existent. So she knows, she has to live where she will live, in a tiny cell, and abide by the rules, if she wants her life tolerable, if that can be. She is now accustomed to being institutionalized, she knows the game, at least in jail. In prison, she is going to become every wardens worse nightmare. That will be her life from now on, how to get one over on something or someone, to get that "candybar". And trust me, she will not behave according to the rules!! I believe that is what she is so angry about right now, looking at her tweets. We will hear more about this murderers antics in the yrs to come.

 

[Madeleine74]

IDK about that, I've followed both trials pretty close and haven't watched that movie. I've passed it flipping channels and it creeped me out seeing TA portrayed, knowing what would happen, so I did not watch it.

I watched the movie and forgot I ever saw it. I was only reminded when I saw a blurb about the actress who played the JA part (she was on the TV show, LOST) and the blurb mentioned the Lifetime movie and I was like, "ooohhh right. Did I see that?" Then I looked at some pictures of her in her JA costume/makeup and was "yes I did watch it." And I remember almost nothing about the movie, which shows what an impression it made (none).

 

[TartLemon]

Isn't Arias on ANY kind of phone restriction, especially since she's in a secure solitary holding setting? I cannot imagine how she was allowed to have 27 video chats on Saturday, 20 minutes each. Good grief, she was on the phone/video half the day!! Appalling, to me at least!

I can't understand this, either. Personal visits, phone calls and mail are regulated, but video chats not? JA likes pushing everything to the max. I think she is bound to create a lot of bad blood among fellow inmates when the rules are tightened because of her shenanigans. Prisoners were most likely coasting along on the sketchy video chat rules. Now, here comes Jodi causing TPTB to clamp down on them.

 

[mydirtysecret]

Omg best news In a long time!!

 

[Mrs G Norris]

[h=2]And you have to add to that, the misleading[/h]about her ex ONLY getting in trouble AFTER they split. Totally untrue. It was while they were together that Juan was involved in a case that included 1st degree murder. That case went on for over two years until he was sentenced at the time of their wedding. She clearly wanted the court to believe she was never with any husband while they were involved in a criminal proceeding. False, her ex who she had been with for many years, had extremely serious charges being dealt with for over two years while they were togther.

To me, both elements are equally going to result in her being removed for cause during voir dire. Whether it's the fact Juan prosecuted her ex while they were together or her ex had the same charge 1st degree murder as in the JA case or just the fact that her ex had serious charges while they were together-not AFTER. Any/all of those were cause for removal.

Yes true, it still seems incredibly obvious (in hindsight) that at that moment someone (ie Flores, or Juan) would ask for his name and pull his record. She would have been removed on the spot. I bet this happens from now on with any juror who is married to someone with 'a past' in Arizona ..

 

[Caylee Advocate]

This is the explanation as to why we can no longer select a number of posts per page from Dave the IT guy on here:


Dave AHFB :


There are many reasons for the change. I understand, taking away an option that was previously granted is not going to sit well with a handful of people. There are a few things on WS that has been allowed, all with a cost on both the server as well as the users machines. It is the ole' action/reaction and the reaction has never been considered. Just because it can be done does not mean it should be. I get messages, "Dave, the page loads most of the page than freezes where are the other 50 posts! when I reboot it is fine". The forum was set to allow changes up to 1000 posts per page . It beats up the server, it beats up your own comp. The fact of the matter, especially on this forum with the (also poorly advised) lack of limits on photos and attachments, the default should be 10 posts with the max option setting at 25. This would allow the server to serve pages faster with less stress, and would be so much easier on your system as well.

 

[WhoaIsMe]

Since absolutely nothing can be done about the 'hung' verdict, what does everyone think the upcoming sentence will be?

I say natural LWOP or whatever they call it in AZ.

JA has shown no remorse. Chose not to have the presentencing interview with the Judge or make a statement to the jury. Didn't call any character witnesses at trial. Sat in the courtroom smirking and being as rude as she could be. Thumbs her nose at and shows not the slightest respect for the rules and authority in current prison.

I think you are right. I think JSS has seen all the manipulations we have all seen e.g. lowering chairs, smirking as soon as the jury leaves, headaches, cramps, peeking at the crime scene etc AND she has seen ones we have not observed in chambers and whatnot. I think she knows what JA is and will sentence her to LWOP. If she doesn't, I will be shocked.

 

[decemberbee45]

Quoting my now favorite book Slumber Party from Hell by Sue Ellen Allen:
"Perryville sits in a huge dirt field where dust witches are constantly on attack. Almost daily the wind swirls around us, covering everything in a fine layer of grime. One window is stationary and not designed to open, but the other is supposed to open about three inches for ventilation. It used to open and close but now it's frozen - won't open, won't close. the result is a one-inch crack that everyone tries to seal through various creative efforts. Ours is sealed with Kotex soaked in glue and toothpaste...but eventually it starts to shrink and crack and it's back to the drawing board....the room is all gray steel and cream concrete. There is no softness."

 

[ohreally]

Isn't Arias on ANY kind of phone restriction, especially since she's in a secure solitary holding setting? I cannot imagine how she was allowed to have 27 video chats on Saturday, 20 minutes each. Good grief, she was on the phone/video half the day!! Appalling, to me at least!

Jail chats are from 7:00 am and 9:30 pm. Fourteen and a half hours. Twenty seven video chats at twenty minutes each is nine hours. Plus the time it takes for her to be shackled and escorted down to the chat rooms. I think she gets an hour a day for rec and showering. Seems like she might of only been in her cell for lunch and dinner service. I can see why she was liking jail life so well. Sure isn't the 23 hours a day in solitary we thought it was. Disgusting. I sure hope that Perryville is really 23 hour solitary.

 

[MeeBee]

The PDF of the minute entry I read said that she told them she wished someone a happy birthday or something.

Once questioned. The other jurors weren't questioned about their social media use.

 

[Greater Than]

I don't like Civil cases as a second shot after a criminal one. To me that is the one that matters, I get that people don't agree with me, I just don't see an upside and in the end I think she hurts them over and over again. JMO

It is not a second shot. Criminal cases and civil cases are very different. A criminal case involves an offense against the state, or society as a whole... which is why crimes are prosecuted by the state, i.e. The State of AZ vs Jodi Arias. A civil case is a private dispute between individuals, i.e. The Alexanders vs Jodi Arias.

JA was found criminally responsible for Travis' death, for which she will be punished by spending the rest of her life in prison. That may be "the one that matters" to you, but her unlawful conduct also results in civil liability, for which the Alexander family is entitled to damages. If they choose to hold her accountable for her civil liability by bringing a wrongful death suit against her, that is their prerogative.

You may feel it will just bring them more pain, but maybe they want to do everything in their power to hold her completely responsible and fully liable, in every way the law allows. Maybe that is EXACTLY what they feel will ease their pain - continuing the fight for justice for the wrongful death of their loved one. Going to bed at night knowing they did everything within their rights to make her pay for unjustly ending Travis' life, robbing him of his future, taking him away from the people who loved him. Whether or not she has any of the money they will be awarded is irrelevant (Spoiler alert: she does). What matters is that they choose to leave no stone unturned in the pursuit of justice.

 

[Paintr]

I am having the same problem, and did nothing "myself" to change my number of posts per page. In fact, there is no way to change it in settings now.

Dave, the IT guy for WS said in a post that too many posts per page overtaxes the server and so the numbers available are reduced. Look on the thread for forum problems...he explains it much better.

 

[TexMex]

Quoting my now favorite book Slumber Party from Hell by Sue Ellen Allen:
"Perryville sits in a huge dirt field where dust witches are constantly on attack. Almost daily the wind swirls around us, covering everything in a fine layer of grime. One window is stationary and not designed to open, but the other is supposed to open about three inches for ventilation. It used to open and close but now it's frozen - won't open, won't close. the result is a one-inch crack that everyone tries to seal through various creative efforts. Ours is sealed with Kotex soaked in glue and toothpaste...but eventually it starts to shrink and crack and it's back to the drawing board....the room is all gray steel and cream concrete. There is no softness."

It's a very interesting book


Perryville

 

[audreyparker]

I think you are right. I think JSS has seen all the manipulations we have all seen e.g. lowering chairs, smirking as soon as the jury leaves, headaches, cramps, peeking at the crime scene etc AND she has seen ones we have not observed in chambers and whatnot. I think she knows what JA is and will sentence her to LWOP. If she doesn't, I will be shocked.

I think it will be LWOP as well. There's been too much scrutiny and negative publicity regarding JA and all of this already. Even JSS said something about the murderer being manipulative in one of the recently released court docs regarding closing the courtroom for the "secret" witness testimony. I think she knows exactly what the murderer is.