Does Anybody Believe George Sexually Abused Casey? POLL ADDED

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Have you Changed your mind about ICA being Molested?

  • Yes, I now believe she was molested

    Votes: 26 2.7%
  • No, I never thought she was molested and still don't

    Votes: 744 77.9%
  • I'm not sure, leaning towards believing it now

    Votes: 25 2.6%
  • I'm not sure, leaning towards not believing it now

    Votes: 28 2.9%
  • No Idea Either Way...Who Can tell with this family?

    Votes: 132 13.8%

  • Total voters
    955
  • Poll closed .
IDK, I do know that I have felt that they were hiding something, something big, that they never wanted brought to the surface. There is a lot of speculation about Casey being Bipolar, but I have found that hard to believe. Living in a home situation with my x who IMO is a sociopath and my DD being bi-polar (diagnosed), I think Cindy would have reached out for help. From my life experience, it's unbearable. I always felt there was something more, something that they wanted hidden. Was it sexual abuse? I just don't know. :confused:

Although I do not, personally, believe that GA sexually abused Casey, I totally agree with you that the family gives off *very* strong vibes of there being a big secret, things they don't want exposed. I have wondered about that. And for that reason I think it was actually very clever of JB (or his team) to come up with that story as an explanation for her bizarre ("not right") behavior. It *would* make sense. But maybe she was abused by someone else that she doesn't want to expose, or maybe she got the way she is because of something else. But the family is so incredibly fraught with dysfunctional interaction. JMO, of course.
 
Tankgirl posted the very video I was thinking of earlier. KC drove the bus in that family. Everyone kow-towed to her and curried her favor. If GA had been abusing her the dynamic would have been much, much different.

The "good morning, beautiful" thing is still creepy, though....
 
Thanks for your point. I was married to a sociopath and he was just evil. The truth never once came out of his mouth..whether he was going to the store..he'd lie. He could put on a good face in front of others as the"wonderful loving family man" but at home he was emotionally and eventually physically abusive. His own mother said he was a spoiled brat.
One day out of the blue (to this point he had never hit me) he attempted to kill me with a carving knife. :banghead:

OMG! We were married to the same man! He would lie when the truth served as well just to stay in practice (in reality it is just a control thing- he even controls the very truth you hear!). Put on the same show of being the loving family man who did so much around the house and so much hands-on child care- never happened. But such a smooth and practiced liar and so superficially charming that people believe him.
 
I have not responded to this post on purpose,wanted to give some thought to George A and the situation before posting. No I do not think GA molested ICA,however I was taken aback at how he responded when asked on the stand if he had ever molested his daughter,my husband said "they would have had to carry me out of there,yelling and screaming",I also look to my father (May God rest his soul) I know If I had accused my father of something like that he would have turned that court room out. IMHO his answer did not register the outrage an innocent man/father should have had. Was he on medication?,I don't know,was he in fear of loosing his seat in court? IMHO they could have had that seat,before they destroyed my good name. I also am not comfortable with the fact he was in the delivery room with his daughter,when I look back I know my father would not have been comfortable with that.I know this is a new time and age and to some this is an acceptable practice. I don't know,just voicing my opinion. IMHO this is something the men jurors will look at JMHO
Hi Whome. George wasn't exactly blindsided by the abuse accusations, as Casey wrote as much in one of her jailhouse letters iirc. I think that he caught wind of the swimming pool accident pitch a few weeks ago via his lawyer. He was very dismayed and hurt at her abuse allegations when they were made public via the jailhouse letters/Sunshine Law. I seem to remember that he wrote her a letter expressing as much.
As far as his response is concerned, I think that it doesn't really matter. If he had bellowed, raised his fists, pounded his chest, people would say that he was protesting too much to be credible. What I saw was a man frozen in shock and pain. jmo.
 
Hi Whome. George wasn't exactly blindsided by the abuse accusations, as Casey wrote as much in one of her jailhouse letters iirc. I think that he caught wind of the swimming pool accident pitch a few weeks ago via his lawyer. He was very dismayed and hurt at her abuse allegations when they were made public via the jailhouse letters/Sunshine Law. I seem to remember that he wrote her a letter expressing as much.
As far as his response is concerned, I think that it doesn't really matter. If he had bellowed, raised his fists, pounded his chest, people would say that he was protesting too much to be credible. What I saw was a man frozen in shock and pain. jmo.

Oh Tank I agree,I also remember the jail house letter and the rumblings that the D/T had called GA into the office to ask this question,and he denied these facts,but I still believe some men on that jury will say (macho I guess) they would have exploded. Again,they will not know that this is not the first time he is hearing this question,and denying it.I still think my father/husband would have exploded if you asked the question a thousand times,and the court room would have been 1001. GA should have put his foot down and went to the media/atty when this was first raised, the D/T could not have used it as readily if he had addressed it publically and forcefully when these accusations were initially raised. What we have here now is a man who's name has been totally smeared,and for what a spoiled snotty nosed killed AKA ICA. Does anyone think he knew what the D/T was going to do when he was in court a few weeks ago crying on the witness stand when JB told him "you would do anything for your daughter would'nt you?' speech.? I do JMHO :twocents:
 
This whole thing reminds me of The Crucible where Winona Ryder as Abigail Williams points out different people she has a problem with accusing them of being witches.
 
NOPE, NOPE, NOPE! Not for a second!! and here's why....

If there was any TRUTH to this it would have come out by day 100! Don't get me wrong, I'll agree this family is odd (nicest way I can put it) but odd doesn't = sexual abuse! You know what bothers me the most, the fact that she has lied over and over and over and for some reason people chose to believe this lie! As far as this being a textbook case, well about a month ago I had red bumps all over my body and googled it. Per google, I had a "textbook" case of chicken pox, or mumps, or poisen ivy (my bumps fit in every category, lol). I went to my doctor and turned out I was HIVES!! We can insert ourselves (and those we dont know) any "textbook" and we might fit but that doesn't make true!

Why not ask her for permission to talk to her jail pastor (the one Cindy is so happy she confides in)? Surely she would have confided in him for the past 3 years right? My bet is she hasn't! You know why this didn't come out until now? This idea didn't POP into DT strategy until the jailhouse letters came out and the fact that public perception of the Anthony's sux didn't hurt either!

I am a survivor! Thankfully my abuse was relatively short! I can tell you this, I throw up at the thought of one of our hamsters getting loose and lost. OMG I don't even want to think about if this were my beautiful daughter. I do know this - I would be beside myself with grief, I wouldn't be able breath, and I WOULD NOT BE ENTERING A HOT BODY CONTEST!

My goodness, i seem to have a lot of anger towards ICA, lol... headed for vodka!
 
KC may or may not have been abused as a child. I find the question totally irrelivant to her guilt or innocents except for one glaring problem: JB is right about one thing - KC's family is totally dissfunctional and I believe the SA is making a mistake in trying to show them as a normal loving family. Since that is so easly disproven it may come back and bite them.

Any one who looks at all the facts in the case can not help comming to the conclusion that KC killed Caylee in clold blood and with malice, and no amont of abuse she may or may not have suffered could provied enough mediation to justify even her slapping that child, no matter killing her. The SA needs to just stick to those facts and not let JB sidetrack things

Above BBM

I agree with your statement that if abuse happened, it is irrelevant as to KC's guilt or innocence in killing Caylee, and irrelevant as to the punishment she should receive. It may only help to explain things if it could be proven.

I definitely do not believe GA had any knowledge, or hand in Caylee's death at the time/or minutes after it happened, nor do I think he had anything to do with disposing of her body....that is just crap. Made up crap to get herself free from the murder charge.

Now, that said, do I think that sexual abuse is possible with this family? My gut says I sure do think it is possible, even though she is a master liar, I think it is possible. I am sure she suffered emotional/psychological abuse at the hands of CA but that should not be an excuse to murder nor should it lessen her punishment IMO. I don't think I could ever state as fact, that GA sexually abused KC based on KC's word alone. That is such a horrible thing to label someone as, and I personally would be unable to do that. However, I can't ignore the fact that this family seemed to me to be hiding something from the start, and that has been commented on by many, many people since the beginning of this thing. I find the way the whole family cow-tows to KC strange, I think that GA sending a postcard to that little girl is strange, I think the way he addresses KC is sometimes strange, and I sometimes even think the way he speaks about Caylee is strange, well more like it gives me the creeps. Like when at the memorial he said something about smelling her sweat or her hair or something...it just bothered me. I also think that GA lied when he says that he was overjoyed when finding out KC was pregnant. Hogwash on that. And what bothers me is he stated that with a big grin on his face. And I think that there is some secret b/t KC and GA....now what that is, IDK. For me, hearing from LA, it will help me to decide if I believe this more. B/c if he comes in there and says, what she said about me is true, and if LA thinks it possible that KC is telling the truth about her dad, then IDK....that is going to carry some weight. How much I can't say until he takes the stand.

Let me state loud and clear again, I think KC alone is responsible for Caylee's death, and whether or not she was sexually abused should play no part in the verdict or the punishment.

Just my honest opinion.
 
I neither believe nor disbelieve it.

All I know for sure is that Casey killed Caylee with premeditation.

Abuse or not has nothing to do with the guilt phase of the trial. I might be more willing to err on the side of giving her the benefit of the doubt in terms of mitigation just because there is that one sliver of possibility that it could be true and at that point you are dealing in life or death - so if I was on the jury I'd have a hard time not adding the possible abuse to my deliberations on mitigation.

As far as the scenario laid out by the defense - it's so beyond the pale! You could perhaps believe certain elements of it but as a whole it is ridiculous and unfortunately for Casey you either believe all of it or none of it.
 
I most certainly DO believe it about GA...body language I read, and just a feeling I got inside myself also being an abuse survivor...
As far as LA, not sold on that one yet.
I don't believe, however that GA helped cover up a drowning.
Just because he denied it makes it true? What, did someone really think he would get up there and admit to anything and risk going to jail himself?
And I am sorry but I think bad enough about Casey to believe she wouldn't care one whit about who she left her child with.....not even a sex abuser...
Some of us CAN'T believe that she would, because we ourselves would never....
but the truth is blind eyes are turned all the time, and some ppl just DO NOT CARE....
 
I believe George sexually molested Cayce. She has all the symptoms of an incest victim.
I know from my own experience with my daughter who was a victim of molestation. She is now 49 years old and she didn't tell me until she was 18.
She has been in and out of trouble, lying, drugs, secrets, not trusting anyone,etc.
I saw George Anthony on the stand when he lowered his head and paused before saying no to the question. And how far along was she before her own dad knewshe was pregnant ??? BS! Why was it kept such a secret. We will find out when this is over.
I used to tell my husband long before the trial I thought Cayce was a victim of molestation and he agreed.
I think she will walk out of the courtroom with time served but not before she takes the stand in her own defense.
Yes. I believe she will testify. Molestation victims have a way of blocking things out like they never happened, almost like I will start my life over form here.

His body language there bothered me too. But I chalked it up more to bad acting. GA was trying so hard to present a sunny, nice guy persona that I think it gave a lot of his statements and mannerisms a weird vibe. He would have been so much more credible if he hadn't been trying so hard. I think there are so many things to cover up in that family that they don't know how to stop presenting a false front.
 
No, I don't believe a word of it. Not a single word.
 
His body language there bothered me too. But I chalked it up more to bad acting. GA was trying so hard to present a sunny, nice guy persona that I think it gave a lot of his statements and mannerisms a weird vibe. He would have been so much more credible if he hadn't been trying so hard. I think there are so many things to cover up in that family that they don't know how to stop presenting a false front.

His body language apperently bothered alot of ppl, myself included and several trial commentators on trutv and hln....
 
Above BBM

I agree with your statement that if abuse happened, it is irrelevant as to KC's guilt or innocence in killing Caylee, and irrelevant as to the punishment she should receive. It may only help to explain things if it could be proven.

I definitely do not believe GA had any knowledge, or hand in Caylee's death at the time/or minutes after it happened, nor do I think he had anything to do with disposing of her body....that is just crap. Made up crap to get herself free from the murder charge.

Now, that said, do I think that sexual abuse is possible with this family? My gut says I sure do think it is possible, even though she is a master liar, I think it is possible. I am sure she suffered emotional/psychological abuse at the hands of CA but that should not be an excuse to murder nor should it lessen her punishment IMO. I don't think I could ever state as fact, that GA sexually abused KC based on KC's word alone. That is such a horrible thing to label someone as, and I personally would be unable to do that. However, I can't ignore the fact that this family seemed to me to be hiding something from the start, and that has been commented on by many, many people since the beginning of this thing. I find the way the whole family cow-tows to KC strange, I think that GA sending a postcard to that little girl is strange, I think the way he addresses KC is sometimes strange, and I sometimes even think the way he speaks about Caylee is strange, well more like it gives me the creeps. Like when at the memorial he said something about smelling her sweat or her hair or something...it just bothered me. I also think that GA lied when he says that he was overjoyed when finding out KC was pregnant. Hogwash on that. And what bothers me is he stated that with a big grin on his face. And I think that there is some secret b/t KC and GA....now what that is, IDK. For me, hearing from LA, it will help me to decide if I believe this more. B/c if he comes in there and says, what she said about me is true, and if LA thinks it possible that KC is telling the truth about her dad, then IDK....that is going to carry some weight. How much I can't say until he takes the stand.

Let me state loud and clear again, I think KC alone is responsible for Caylee's death, and whether or not she was sexually abused should play no part in the verdict or the punishment.

Just my honest opinion.

George sent a little girl a postcard? I missed that one. I sort of remember some incident about a young girl who ended up hospitalized for some reason, but I can't remember the details.

The, "hello beautiful" and other references to Casey's appearance are troubling to me, too. I can't agree with you more, KC alone is responsible and the sexual abuse, if it happened, should not play a part in the verdict or punishment! I mean, what are the statistics, 1 in 3 or 4 girls are victims of sexual abuse in the US. It's sadly a common thing these days. You can't tell me that 1 in 4 women kill or neglect their children to death or cover up their deaths due to that abuse.
 
Here's what I know for sure, speaking from personal experience.

There are some very common threads running through families where abuse takes place- specificially sexual abuse. This type of abuse in particular is like a mold that grows in secrecy in families that operate on a foundation of denial. The pattern in families where this type of incestuous abuse most commonly takes place many times has a primary care figure (usually female) that is highly controlling & critical coupled with a secondary caregiver (typically male) that is domineered and the brunt of the other spouse's insults and callous behavior. The marital relationship usually lacks a sexual connection, and very typically there is another form of addiction present (alcohol, drugs, gambling) present that shadows the denial/abuse dynamic. The entire equilibrium of the family is off, because the family itself is built on a foundation on sickness. Like a hanging mobile, when one family member acts out, all the others have to re-adjust to make the entire group balance.

The abuse is as much about power over someone as it is about sexual gratification. It is an outlet for the henpecked and ridiculed spouse to exert a bit of power in the family, in addition to making up for the lack of physical contact & intimacy in the marriage. When we see how controlling CA is, and how GA dances to her every tune and instruction, and also the fact that we know he had a gambling problem and was trolling online for escorts... I believe all of that speaks for itself.

I am an abuse survivor, and I know so much of this from my own experience and from the experience of other sexual abuse survivors, and also from the things I have learned through healing with excellent therapists over the course of many years. Do I think it is plausible that ICA suffered sexual abuse at the hands of her father? Knowing what we know of her family dynamics, her relationships within her family, her behavior, lying and promiscuity... Yes, I would say it sounds very plausible.

Do I think that any of the above matters one iota in the fact that she murdered her own baby daughter? NO, I do not. Not a chance.

There are tens of thousands of people like myself who have survived abuse by people who were supposed to be figures of love, care & trust. If anything, it makes you hyper-viligant and sensitive like radar to others who may have that one sad thing in common with you. The last thing it does is make you murder your own child. If anything, it makes you a more aware and cautious parent who would NEVER, EVER let your child suffer at the hands of ANY other human being, least of all your own!

The fact that the DT is using this as an excuse for why the inmate murdered her own helpless daughter is a disgusting farce and a slap in the face to sexual abuse survivors everywhere.

:puke::puke::puke:

A thanks was not enough for this post. I've rarely read such a good description of a dysfunctional family. Especially the bolded part. Perfect!
 
No, I can't entertain the idea that GA ever did anything sexual to Casey. Listen to the jail visit where she assures him that he was a great father and grandpa. Look at how proud the grandparents are at Caylee's 2nd birthday party. Watch GA keep a gentle, careful eye on Caylee. In that particular video, you can see the love GA had for Caylee. This accusation was one of the saddest ways to defend this case.
 
Nope, just another way for ICA to hurt others and try to draw sympathy for herself.
 

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