Does Anybody Believe George Sexually Abused Casey? POLL ADDED

[ohiogirl]

I am under the impression that there was trouble in the family when Casey was very young, and she was three when they moved to Florida and Hopespring Drive.

Cindy worked full time the whole time her children grew up, and her dad's work was sporatic, causing friction in the home.

Lee showed some strange thought processes on the stand, which I have not seen from him in the past; signs of jealousy, and a feeling of not belonging.

I think based on the family dynamics that Casey showed a strong personality and was adored, not molested, by her father. Lee being the oldest, tried to get his parents approval, and felt lacking.

I think Casey was spoiled as a child, and got her own way, and as the years went by she learned how to manipulate, and certainly learned how to keep the attention on her.

Everyone else was to step down and give her the attention she wanted and craved.

When Caylee was born, Casey lost first place in the attention dept, and she sought attention elsewhere. But the world didn't see her as the princess she grew up thinking she was. So she ended up being stuck all the time with the one person who stole her limelight, Caylee.

As Caylee and Cindy's relationship grew closer and closer, and as Caylee began to be able to tell Cece where she had been and what they had done, Cece began to threaten Casey with taking custody of Caylee from her, thus basically kicking Casey to the wayside, much like how Lee felt.

I don't know if she planned to murder Caylee, or if she was just planning on drugging her and putting her in the trunk so she could go have fun without getting calls from Cindy about time to come home, and Caylee succombed to that.
However, hair samples have not shown that this was a common occurance, which leaves, if choloform was used, it was premeditated, and if not, she was taped, hands and face to keep her quiet.

I do find it strange that some people didn't smell the stench coming from the car that night, while others were aghast by it.

I don't know that the State has proven beyond a reasonable doubt in that court of law.
Her lies are the best witness they have, that and Caylee being found so close to home.

moo

Great insights. I agree with you all the way. CA let KC get away with everything, LA was the odd man out, and GA just hung around the sidelines knowing he didn't stand a chance with the two dominant females. I feel for him and LA, but we are what we are.
The entire family dynamic contributed to where they are today.

 

[treeseeker]

Florida is a no-fault divorce state, my understanding is that assets are divided fairly and equitably. However, if CA had accused GA of abuse, she could have easily obtained a divorce and kept the house and children, and I seriously doubt she would have been required to pay a dime in alimony. I've forgotten where I read that finances were the only reasons CA didn't divorce GA, but I think it came from CA's mother. So no, I don't believe it.

 

[kssgdby]

I voted no. I know it has been brought up and testified to that ICA said George cheated on Cindy and that he allegedly visited Escort sites as were shown on the computer reports. I think if he were into "children" there would have been evidence of visits to child *advertiser censored* sites or as a poster mentioned earlier there would have been comments about George making her friends uncomfortable. For that reason I DO NOT feel like George was forcing a "Penis Popsicle" upon ICA before school in the morning or any other time. jmo

 

[txsvicki]

I say no, he didn't assault Casey. She would have already killed him by now. People she gets it in for don't come out too well.

 

[BritsKate]

I voted no when the question was first asked. There is nothing in Casey's behaviour or demeanour that cannot be explained by being afflicted with a personality disorder IMHO.

I believe it is a manipulative ploy for attention, sympathy and a deference for blame. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[kline]

She knows shell be found guilty so she's just trying to co-opt a stance that will allow her to play the victim and still accept no responsibilty in the aftermath of the trial the outcome of which is hardly a suspenseful matter.
Text book narccistic sociopathic behavior.
Just like she's exibited from day one.

 

[Penelope]

Off-hand sexually abusive households has the abuser with money or dominance personality. The partner being a submissive.

Take a good look at the Anthony household. Cindy is in control. So much that KC will push him. Such as when out on bond, KC got mad at GA & told him to get out.

Momma ruled & KC wanted to take over. George was their whipping boy & didn't stand a chance.

I am just a person with no training in psychology but with lots of life experience -- and I agree with this poster. I don't believe Casey was sexually abused by George or Lee.

I have had dealings in my life with a sociopathic liar who had his wife and friends (including me) believing a whole made-up story about his life. It took a lawyer that we hired just a few hours to figure out his lies, because she could see his story and facts did not line up. Also, because she was not friends with him or emotionally connected to him and could see the truth.

Some people are just born like this. Yes, bad parenting contributes to it, but did not totally create Casey. IMO the stories about molestation, etc., were all made up (even before Caylee went "missing", didn't she say that Lee touched her inappropriately?) as part of her twisted web of lies to garner sympathy and support from friends.

In my experience, people like Casey tell these stories so that they can keep everyone they know compartmentalized and not liking each other. This is because the worst thing for a sociopathic liar is if everyone they know gets in a room together and talks about them -- because then they will realize all the lies they have been told about each other and realize the truth about the individual telling them (in this case, Casey). But, the sociopath will just smile when confronted with proof of their lies, and cover them up by telling new ones. It's amazing (and frightening) when you see one in action!

IMO George was a weak-willed father married to a manipulative (and possibly borderline) Cindy. I can imagine them raising a weak-willed son Lee (just like his father) and a monster like Casey.

This is just my opinion, though, and I respect all of yours.

 

[aeneas1]

IMO George was a weak-willed father married to a manipulative (and possibly borderline) Cindy. I can imagine them raising a weak-willed son Lee (just like his father) and a monster like Casey.

This is just my opinion, though, and I respect all of yours.

i have to agree 100%... george is a poster child for emasculated men everywhere, never able to hold a job, married to a domineering woman who was clearly the family bread-winner and source of financial security (in cindy's defense, she was probably forced to wear the pants in the family lest they starve!) - simply put, george couldn't be more polar opposite of what the defense is trying to paint. as such there's little surprise that lee is equally emasculated, and casey has no problem showing contempt and disrespect towards her father...

 

[Circus]

She knows shell be found guilty so she's just trying to co-opt a stance that will allow her to play the victim and still accept no responsibilty in the aftermath of the trial the outcome of which is hardly a suspenseful matter.
Text book narccistic sociopathic behavior.
Just like she's exibited from day one.

I agree.


All we know about KC is that she is a "diabolical liar," who will tell increasingly outrageous untruths in order to evade responsibility. We KNOW she has absolutely no regard for the people she hurts, and no qualms about spinning even the most implausible yarns in order to save her own skin. With zero corroborating evidence there is no way a rational person could give any credence to this cinematic theory.

If Casey's lips are moving, she's lying -- it appears to be a dominant gene. Anything she says that hasn't been verified by someone outside of that batty family should be disregarded, until such verification can be produced. Period.

 

[Anais]

I am just a person with no training in psychology but with lots of life experience -- and I agree with this poster. I don't believe Casey was sexually abused by George or Lee.

I have had dealings in my life with a sociopathic liar who had his wife and friends (including me) believing a whole made-up story about his life. It took a lawyer that we hired just a few hours to figure out his lies, because she could see his story and facts did not line up. Also, because she was not friends with him or emotionally connected to him and could see the truth.

Some people are just born like this. Yes, bad parenting contributes to it, but did not totally create Casey. IMO the stories about molestation, etc., were all made up (even before Caylee went "missing", didn't she say that Lee touched her inappropriately?) as part of her twisted web of lies to garner sympathy and support from friends.

In my experience, people like Casey tell these stories so that they can keep everyone they know compartmentalized and not liking each other. This is because the worst thing for a sociopathic liar is if everyone they know gets in a room together and talks about them -- because then they will realize all the lies they have been told about each other and realize the truth about the individual telling them (in this case, Casey). But, the sociopath will just smile when confronted with proof of their lies, and cover them up by telling new ones. It's amazing (and frightening) when you see one in action!

IMO George was a weak-willed father married to a manipulative (and possibly borderline) Cindy. I can imagine them raising a weak-willed son Lee (just like his father) and a monster like Casey.

This is just my opinion, though, and I respect all of yours.

Penelope-excellent post!!! :clap:

 

[txsvicki]

I believed George more today than ever, and never believed he molested Casey in the first place. Lee could be putting on a show trying to help Casey, but he shows signs of a lifetime of being blamed and pitted against his parents, then also with friends as they got older. How horrible that would be to go about town and places where he runs across mutual friends of Casey and his, and get odd looks and snubs due to crap she's said about him, and also have the same thing happening at home. Maybe the same thing is going on this entire family due to her. If only the jury can see what is really going on. The men in that family have been horribly abused by casey.

 

[MasonJunior]

.............worst thing for a sociopathic liar is if everyone they know gets in a room together and talks about them -- because then they will realize all the lies they have been told about each other and realize the truth about the individual telling them (in this case, Casey). But, the sociopath will just smile when confronted with proof of their lies, and cover them up by telling new ones. It's amazing (and frightening) when you see one in action!

IMO George was a weak-willed father married to a manipulative (and possibly borderline) Cindy. I can imagine them raising a weak-willed son Lee (just like his father) and a monster like Casey.

Amazing incite. Never bring family/friends together & especially the weak-willed Lee testifying is perfect.

 

[2door73chevy]

Off-topic....But why is side bar locked? I'm really addicted:innocent:



Ignore...Thread is now opened :0

 

[wandering]

I will never believe either Lee or George molested her. I think KC is soooo full of herself she thinks she can tempt the devil himself. She reminds me of one of those spoiled kids who falsely accuses her parents of evil things, just because they try to make her do the right things..

 

[Penelope]

Amazing incite. Never bring family/friends together & especially the weak-willed Lee testifying is perfect.

I lived in a cooperative apartment building with this guy -- he and his wife were owners. He pitted one owner/tenant against another, especially the women. It wasn't until I began talking to the other female owners that we began to suspect something was not right -- he was trying to hit on all us and then gossiped negatively about each of us to the other-- then telling each of us "this is our secret -- don't tell them because they don't like you."

He even conned the owners association and its lawyer into handing a check over to him for $40,000 for a financing deal for our troubled co-op. You see, he claimed he was a securities investor. Two of us women hired an attorney (a female) and we found out that he had had his securities license taken away due to fraud! But, he told his wife he was going to work each day. He even had an "office" address with a "executive assistant" who answered his calls. He claimed he was going to get the $$ for our co-op debt from a Swiss Banker he worked with--and he gave us the guys name and address in Switzerland. ALL LIES!! He was eventually arrested and had to pay a fine, but I don't believe he was jailed.

Wait, there's more-- a few years later his name came up in a case where he and a woman he was dating would put personal ads in the paper. The woman then met each of the men who replied (married men) and had sex with them while they were secretly being filmed. Then she and this guy would blackmail them for $$. This guy even did it to a couple of women. (The case happened in Long Island, NY). They were arrested and jailed. I think he is still in jail.

IMO -- this would have been Casey had she not gotten pregnant and if she was a little bit more together. There are really people like I have described -- and Casey is one of them.

 

[mrsjonnob]

Sure, I think it is possible. 1 in 3 girls are sexually molested before age 18, so I guess there is a 33.3333 % chance she is telling the truth.

I am no shrink, but its possible that part of the reason that Casey was such a crappy mother is because she was sexually abused and her own mother didn't protect her.

Does that excuse any of the criminal charges against her? Of course not. But just because she may be a pathological liar doesn't mean she has lied about everything. I am sure that they tell the truth sometimes.

Futhermore, if George is as weak as he appears, it wouldn't shock me to learn he abused Casey (once, repeated, who knows) as a way of inflicting power and control over her, because he felt so powerless with his wife/marriage/life. I can also imagine an older Casey holding threats to tell Cindy or the authorities over George to keep him in line and to manipulate him.

 

[Nova24]

NOPE. Not even a chance. It was a good way for Casey to try and make herself look like a victim once again.

 

[MasonJunior]

Sure, I think it is possible. 1 in 3 girls are sexually molested before age 18, so I guess there is a 33.3333 % chance she is telling the truth.

Sure... but look at the total picture. 1 in 3 statistics doesn't includes factors of education, environment, economic, supervision, family structure, etc.

Theoretically, figures will show the percentage of molestation much higher in the lower social brackets. By appearances the Anthony's were striving for the 'good life'. By doing the right thing we sometimes can't control the path life takes & one of our loved ones has destroyed it's foundation.

Start with profiling with the variables. Zero in on George. He has learned to stay out of Cindy's way. And most of the time gave her answers to keep himself out of trouble & also to give himself a home. [I call them his cover-ups. Just listened to link video of George talking to FBI - http://www.wftv.com/video/18032972/index.html - from his financial loses to KC's money cons. ]

No way will George act out directly on his own turf. KC has no reason <<<to keep him in line and to manipulate him>>>. George's problem was trying to get Cindy to play tough with KC. The older KC manipulates by pitting family/friends against each other.

 

[Hey boss!]

Sure, I think it is possible. 1 in 3 girls are sexually molested before age 18, so I guess there is a 33.3333 % chance she is telling the truth.

I am no shrink, but its possible that part of the reason that Casey was such a crappy mother is because she was sexually abused and her own mother didn't protect her.

Does that excuse any of the criminal charges against her? Of course not. But just because she may be a pathological liar doesn't mean she has lied about everything. I am sure that they tell the truth sometimes.

Futhermore, if George is as weak as he appears, it wouldn't shock me to learn he abused Casey (once, repeated, who knows) as a way of inflicting power and control over her, because he felt so powerless with his wife/marriage/life. I can also imagine an older Casey holding threats to tell Cindy or the authorities over George to keep him in line and to manipulate him.

She may have exacted the perfect revenge for not being protected by her mother...but I still don't believe he did it.

 

[TrY]

I do not believe George or Lee molested Casey whatsoever. I think this is another one of Casey's lies. What better way for her to get back at her dad and brother by leaving something like this hanging over their heads? It makes them virtually unemployable if someone believes it.

Casey already got back at her mom by killing Caylee, but I think she feels that she has to make the destruction of her immediate family complete, especially since she's in jail and likely will be in prison for a long time if not until she dies in prison from either LWOP or the DP.