Dr. Phil Interviews Burke Ramsey (9/12 & 9/13 2016)
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I watched the first two the other day and I haven't seen the new one, but I just finished the thread.
First, I definitely feel sorry for Burke, whether he did it or not. Doing this interview seems to be helping his image about as much as that CNN interview did for JR and PR.
Like another poster, the "flaunt it" comment stuck out to me as a weird thing for her brother to say in reference to his sister's pageants. The pageants are so controversial because many saw it as the Rs sexualizing her daughter with the make-up and outfits, and then he talks about her "flaunting it," which has a kind of unseemly connotation to me. Usually you hear about someone "flaunt it" in terms of their body. What else is she flaunting on the stage but her 'look'? Odd phrasing.
Also noticed Burke uses the word "weird" a lot, like when he was talking about her droopy eye. Not talking about his feelings at that moment but instead describing something he found odd. Another time DP asks if he found something "traumatizing" and his first answer was that it was weird and then yeah, it was traumatizing - mirroring DP's words because he realizes that's a better answer. He tries to explain away his demeanor in the early tapes by saying he was interviewed by some "weird" guy so he was nervous. It may not mean anything, it's just I interpreted that as him having trouble connecting the appropriate emotion to things. He is more of an observer than an experiencer. If that makes sense.
His answer about Patsy's handwriting was interesting too since as it's been pointed out, he evades the question by talking about Patsy's perfect penmanship just like JR did in the Wolf depo.
And since I typed it up for my own records, here's a transcript of Dr. Phil on The View. 1. It's obnoxious for him to say the tapes were "missing" and he just "recovered them." Missing as in sitting in evidence being watched by Kolar in 2004 and 2005? 2. The ladies ask him if he asked Burke why he was smiling. He says yes, but then immediately launches into his spiel without answering the question. 3: How on earth is B "the missing link" to the case when he seemingly revealed nothing about the murder that would point to an intruder? 4. DP basically says the CBS doc forced him out. "His door was being beat down"? 5. I bet he'll admit the boot print was his/he had a hi tec shoe, since that info has been out for years anyway, apparently as something he revealed to the GJ. It'll likely be brought up as an anti-IDI talking point on CBS.
Dr. Phil on The View
"Why do you think he chose now to come out and speak?"
DP: Well, because it -is- the 20 year anniversary and there is -so- much focus on it and his door was being beat down, people had found him, he had been off the grid and - look. This has been going on for 20 years and he has never spoken. And there were three interview tapes, two interrogation tapes and one with a psychologist that had gone missing. The missing link and really the biggest unsolved murder mystery of our generation, the missing link is the brother Burke Ramsey and he had never spoken. And so I went after him to get him to speak and he does. It's a no-holds-barred interview, there were no rules, he agreed to talk about anything and everything and I ask him straight up, did you murder your sister Jonbenet Ramsey. I ask him what about the pineapple. I ask him what about the baseball bat. I ask him wh-where were you, I ask him everything that anybody has ever wanted to know from this young man and he does answer the questions. And when you see him, he is - he has a very unusual demeanor. He smiles
(someone breaks in with Yeah)
when he's talking about very dark content...ehhh, people have to make up their own mind about why that is.
Candice (looking a little weirded out imo): Well, I know you brought a sneak peek of that clip...
(Clip plays)
The ladies of the View are a little taken aback and ask, Well, did you ask him why are you smiling? - Yeah...
DP: Well, I did...
- Did ya?
DP: I did, and, interesting...she comes in his room that morning with a police officer, in the middle of the night - I mean, it's still dark, with a flashlight and he never asked why they were there and he never got out of bed. He just laid there and I mean that's an unusual response, I think. I think there are gonna be a lot of unusual responses here. Uh, he makes some shocking admissions about
the bootprint that was found near her body. Uh, he talks about the previous incident where he had hit her in the head with a golf club, prior to that time. He talks...
Joy - like an accident?
DP: about the pineapple that was found, there was a bowl of pineapple that was -not- there when they went to bed and was there when they got up and she had pineapple on autopsy (sic) in her stomach. He talks about...how that pineapple came to be and...there's a lot of unusual things in this...this was the longest ransom note in the history of the FBI (looking around the table for reactions), and it was written on stationary that was already in the house. And it was the second version of the note, somebody wrote it almost all the way through, wadded it up, started back over. And why write a ransom note if there's a dead body already in the house? I mean it's just so many things about this that have been unsolved but I tell you what, no matter where you stand, whether you think Burke did it, the Ramseys did it and covered it up, or an intruder did it, by the time you finish watching this three part series, wherever you start, you will move your position because ambiguities are going to be cleared up in a big way, the missing link is here.
First, I definitely feel sorry for Burke, whether he did it or not. Doing this interview seems to be helping his image about as much as that CNN interview did for JR and PR.
Like another poster, the "flaunt it" comment stuck out to me as a weird thing for her brother to say in reference to his sister's pageants. The pageants are so controversial because many saw it as the Rs sexualizing her daughter with the make-up and outfits, and then he talks about her "flaunting it," which has a kind of unseemly connotation to me. Usually you hear about someone "flaunt it" in terms of their body. What else is she flaunting on the stage but her 'look'? Odd phrasing.
Also noticed Burke uses the word "weird" a lot, like when he was talking about her droopy eye. Not talking about his feelings at that moment but instead describing something he found odd. Another time DP asks if he found something "traumatizing" and his first answer was that it was weird and then yeah, it was traumatizing - mirroring DP's words because he realizes that's a better answer. He tries to explain away his demeanor in the early tapes by saying he was interviewed by some "weird" guy so he was nervous. It may not mean anything, it's just I interpreted that as him having trouble connecting the appropriate emotion to things. He is more of an observer than an experiencer. If that makes sense.
His answer about Patsy's handwriting was interesting too since as it's been pointed out, he evades the question by talking about Patsy's perfect penmanship just like JR did in the Wolf depo.
And since I typed it up for my own records, here's a transcript of Dr. Phil on The View. 1. It's obnoxious for him to say the tapes were "missing" and he just "recovered them." Missing as in sitting in evidence being watched by Kolar in 2004 and 2005? 2. The ladies ask him if he asked Burke why he was smiling. He says yes, but then immediately launches into his spiel without answering the question. 3: How on earth is B "the missing link" to the case when he seemingly revealed nothing about the murder that would point to an intruder? 4. DP basically says the CBS doc forced him out. "His door was being beat down"? 5. I bet he'll admit the boot print was his/he had a hi tec shoe, since that info has been out for years anyway, apparently as something he revealed to the GJ. It'll likely be brought up as an anti-IDI talking point on CBS.
Dr. Phil on The View
"Why do you think he chose now to come out and speak?"
DP: Well, because it -is- the 20 year anniversary and there is -so- much focus on it and his door was being beat down, people had found him, he had been off the grid and - look. This has been going on for 20 years and he has never spoken. And there were three interview tapes, two interrogation tapes and one with a psychologist that had gone missing. The missing link and really the biggest unsolved murder mystery of our generation, the missing link is the brother Burke Ramsey and he had never spoken. And so I went after him to get him to speak and he does. It's a no-holds-barred interview, there were no rules, he agreed to talk about anything and everything and I ask him straight up, did you murder your sister Jonbenet Ramsey. I ask him what about the pineapple. I ask him what about the baseball bat. I ask him wh-where were you, I ask him everything that anybody has ever wanted to know from this young man and he does answer the questions. And when you see him, he is - he has a very unusual demeanor. He smiles
(someone breaks in with Yeah)
when he's talking about very dark content...ehhh, people have to make up their own mind about why that is.
Candice (looking a little weirded out imo): Well, I know you brought a sneak peek of that clip...
(Clip plays)
The ladies of the View are a little taken aback and ask, Well, did you ask him why are you smiling? - Yeah...
DP: Well, I did...
- Did ya?
DP: I did, and, interesting...she comes in his room that morning with a police officer, in the middle of the night - I mean, it's still dark, with a flashlight and he never asked why they were there and he never got out of bed. He just laid there and I mean that's an unusual response, I think. I think there are gonna be a lot of unusual responses here. Uh, he makes some shocking admissions about
the bootprint that was found near her body. Uh, he talks about the previous incident where he had hit her in the head with a golf club, prior to that time. He talks...
Joy - like an accident?
DP: about the pineapple that was found, there was a bowl of pineapple that was -not- there when they went to bed and was there when they got up and she had pineapple on autopsy (sic) in her stomach. He talks about...how that pineapple came to be and...there's a lot of unusual things in this...this was the longest ransom note in the history of the FBI (looking around the table for reactions), and it was written on stationary that was already in the house. And it was the second version of the note, somebody wrote it almost all the way through, wadded it up, started back over. And why write a ransom note if there's a dead body already in the house? I mean it's just so many things about this that have been unsolved but I tell you what, no matter where you stand, whether you think Burke did it, the Ramseys did it and covered it up, or an intruder did it, by the time you finish watching this three part series, wherever you start, you will move your position because ambiguities are going to be cleared up in a big way, the missing link is here.
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I wonder why LW would want Burke on the Dr Phil Show considering the kid can't stop grinning when speaking of his sister's death. What is Wood's motivation? I would not want that client on national TV if he can't maintain at least a solemn -- if not grief stricken -- expression when he is being questioned about such a tragedy. Regardless of his participation, I was quite unsettled and I regularly deal with people experiencing personal tragedies in my profession.
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My daughter was ok, thanks for asking!
His mom didn't say anything. She is the type that lives in complete denial. She acts like he's fine, when he just really, really isn't.
He shows no remorse. It is so strange.
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DP said at the end of this special episode come Monday BR will say state who he strongly thinks killed his sister. How much you want to bet the same person his father stated! He was 9 years old and seems like pretty checked out on the whole situation so how could he have an opinion except what his parents thought.
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Yeah funny the statement BR made about going downstairs to put the toy together was never addressed during this special segment.
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You can boycott him if you like. I don't watch him and don't think it'll make it much of a difference. I don't think the interview and his program are too far from what we thought they might be. I also don't know how many people on WS watch him regularly, but it probably won't make a dent in his ratings.
What a boycott and a fuss will do is make us look like a bunch of wack job conspiracy theorists. I'd prefer we focus on the facts and the theories. If some wants to define us as fringe conspiracy theorists, I'd rather not give them ammunition to discredit what we do. I also don't mind if someone thinks I'm a little wack. I don't put so much concern in what others think of me.
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My best guess is that if this thing falls apart, Wood's reputation is on the line. The twenty year anniversary is getting more attention. Sites like WS has pretty much hammered IDI to death. They can't come-up with more answers than saying, "Well, there's the DNA...." Even that's been called into question.
I just wonder if the whole John Mark Karr thing wasn't Wood putting pressure on Mary Lacy. It was stated that Wood put pressure on Lacy and that he'd destroy her career if she didn't exonerate the Ramseys...as I recall.
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I would have liked DP to have asked if the BPD knew of this, were the BPD told Burke had snuck down after being put to bed?
That alone would have given the BPD good cause to interview Burke, regardless of his age, he has now become a witness by simply being within the vicinity at the time of the murder. This admission by Burke is HUGE, I wonder how Kolar and the BPD are taking this.
Also why didn't DP ask Burke what time he eventually went back to bed, and what toy did he play with and where exactly in the house did he play with it?
DrollForeignFaction,
Thanks for the Dr Phil quotes. Some very interesting stuff there. it does look as if BR is out to defend himself by getting his version of events out there first?
On the footprint in the wine-cellar, if it belongs to BR, its no big surprise, it just confirms what many have thought. After all Kolar said BR was down in the wine-cellar Christmas Day opening the gifts.
So maybe the CBS documentary are going to put all the circumstantial evidence together that links BR to the crime-scene and in conclusion decides its BDI?
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I think its pretty obvious what Burke's mission is here. Early in the investigation the Ramseys denied knowledge of every piece of evidence, preferring to let people believe that an intruder was responsible. They denied using the flashlight, they denied knowledge of the pineapple, and they denied any ownership of the HiTek boot. If you watch the link above you will see that Dr Henry Lee plans to do modern DNA testing on these objects during the CBS special. So lets roll out Burke to say that yes, he used all these things without his parents knowledge. So when Dr Lee's results come back with Burke's DNA all over what experts on the CBS special call "a perfect match" to the murder weapon, Team Ramsey can say that Burke already admitted touching it and of course his DNA is on it.
andreww,
This explains JR saying he used the flashlight when putting BR to bed, or down in the basement?
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andreww,
Sure, something along those lines. Any further forensic links that match BR to the crime-scene will leave him as prime suspect, IMO.
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Covers all bases doesn't it. My guess is that, given the flashlight was the key revelation in the DP special, and is also the featured piece of evidence in the CBS trailer, that Burke and John's DNA was definitely found on that flashlight,
As I've always though, Burke cracked her over the head, but IMO it was the parents that finished her off. Burke would only be guilty of assault if he was old enough, its the parents that are murderers.
Part of me now thinks this kid is screwing with us. He knows, or thinks he knows, he'll never be charged with anything, That shrug/smirk after he says he didn't draw his sister in the family drawing because she was gone...that pretty much says it all. Dude shouldn't be that arrogant and confident. There are folks out there that have the 411 on him. For a second he bamboozled me and I thought 'poor guy, his life has been ruined'. But that shrug/smirk with all these new details he's given...blech. And DP...I won't even go into how I feel about that guy.
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I've just watched a bit of Dr Phils live Facebook chat re Burke. I'm actually quite angry! DP gives the impression in his interview with Burke and publicity interviews that he's not buying what the Ramsey's are selling, for want of a better phrase. Now he's spouting about how Burke was just nervous, what a nice kid he is, he is not and never was a suspect. What the?! I can't believe I was sucked in! He's clearly team Ramsey!
Make no mistake, DP is on Team Money. The Ramseys love people on Team Money, Just like Larry King.
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