Ebola outbreak - general thread #5

[oh_gal]

Thank God. Because I could not understand why that hadn't already been done with the first nurse, considering I had thought I had seen where there was regret as to not sending Duncan there in the first place.

And does anyone know how many days the 2nd nurse was in Ohio? I'm just wondering when she flew OUT of Dallas to begin with?

She left on the Ohio 13th -- had low grade fever the 14th. I think she had been here since the 8th, but they are saying the 10th on the news.

 

[SStarr33]

WTF????? SMH

this is amazing to me given all the chatter centering on whether or not Duncan knew he was possibly infected prior to boarding the plane.

how could someone in the medical profession do something like this?

There were not told not to leave town.

 

[nrdsb4]

Question: The CDC is tracking everyone down that shared a Frontier flight with Ms Vinson since she developed a fever the day after arriving back in Dallas from Cleveland. It's said she was one of the nurses that treated Duncan. Well, when did she fly from Dallas to Cleveland, or didn't she? Did she think she was safe and protected while treating Duncan, therefore she wasn't under any kind of quarantine? We've been led to believe the people caring for Duncan, as well as those he's come in contact with, have been quarantined.

Also, why did the CDC request the passenger list for Frontier but they didn't for the airline/s Duncan flew with? Even though he was asymptomatic while flying, he died from Ebola, therefore the infectious disease was inside of him. He flew here from Brussels. He got to Brussels from Liberia, which is like 7,000 mi distance in and of itself before even flying over the Atlantic to Dallas. That means at some point the man obviously peed and/or excreted waste in a public toilet. So, I think it's a very important question why the other international passenger list hasn't been followed up on considering Ebola would have been found in his urine and excrement.

BBM.

He wasn't symptomatic so he wouldn't have been shedding virus yet in his urine or feces. He flew on September 19. That is what, 36 days ago? I don't think he became symptomatic until September 24? or was it the 26th? No one on his flight has become ill. That is highly suggestive that he was not contagious while asymptomatic.

As for why they are tracing this flight? Because it was so close to onset of symptoms, I would wonder if they might doubt her account of when her symptoms began or they are just doing it because they know at this point Americans will demand it.

 

[MyBelle]

The CDC has lied and covered from the get go. Duncan came on a flight and those people were never followed. The second nurse who is sick was said to have flown from Cleveland but how about her flight TO Cleveland? Does anyone think this things is not airborne? Those who treated Duncan were supposed to have been monitored. They were not. The nurses union is now saying that garments with vomit diarrhea and blood were stacked to the ceiling in the hospital and his blood traveled in those tubes in the hospital without protection. There were no foot coverings on the shoes of the caregivers tracking body fluids all over the hospital. This is such a big lie and will grow worse. It will be everywhere.

Panic is unwarranted at this time, imo. Duncan was asymptomatic on the flight. The nurse who flew to Ohio broke protocol. The nurses union can flap their arms all they want but the nurses are supposed to be following the protocol which includes self-monitoring.

(CNN) -- [Breaking News update 1:05 p.m.]

Because she had helped care for Dallas Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan, this health care worker should not have traveled on a commercial airplane, CDC Director Tom Frieden said.

At that point, health care workers were undergoing self-monitoring. They were allowed to travel but not on a commercial plane with other people, he said.

Moving forward, the CDC will ensure that no one else in such a situation travels outside of a closed environment, he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/health/texas-ebola-outbreak/index.html

 

[oh_gal]

Wow... CDC...it's about time --- no one being monitored will be allowed on commercial flights. What about Greyhound and Amtrack? Just a day late and a dollar short for Cleveland.
I've missed my calling. I'm going to apply to work at the CDC.

 

[WideOpen]

WTF????? SMH

this is amazing to me given all the chatter centering on whether or not Duncan knew he was possibly infected prior to boarding the plane.

how could someone in the medical profession do something like this?

I first thanked your post but then recanted.
IMO, it is painfully obvious after the fact that the hospital, health dept. CDC, whoever did not handle this properly.
The public has been told not to worry, it was all very low risk for those involved on caring for Duncan.
The young nurse is 26, was following her higher ups recommendations and therefore is a victim, IMO

JMO

ETA; I do see where a poster is saying they were told not to leave town. I still feel from the information provided that it was not stressed properly how much risk there was for them to catch this. We have all been told, it is not a threat...LIE

 

[Sophieandme]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/eb...k-liberia-needs-79-940-more-body-bags-n226346

Ebola Outbreak: Liberia Needs 79,940 More Body Bags

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Liberia projects a gap of 79,490 body bags and 989,985 protective suits (over the next 6 mos.)

BBM

 

[SStarr33]

Panic is unwarranted at this time, imo. Duncan was asymptomatic on the flight. The nurse who flew to Ohio broke protocol. The nurses union can flap their arms all they want but the nurses are supposed to be following the protocol which includes self-monitoring.

(CNN) -- [Breaking News update 1:05 p.m.]

Because she had helped care for Dallas Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan, this health care worker should not have traveled on a commercial airplane, CDC Director Tom Frieden said.

At that point, health care workers were undergoing self-monitoring. They were allowed to travel but not on a commercial plane with other people, he said.

Moving forward, the CDC will ensure that no one else in such a situation travels outside of a closed environment, he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/health/texas-ebola-outbreak/index.html

Wow, was she told that?

 

[cuffem]

Duncan had a 5 hour layover in Brussels.

Jumping off my post.Brussels Airport is not checking temp. of passengers from W.Africa.Brussels air is still flying to and from Monrovia with a 5 hour layover.

 

[oh_gal]

Wow, was she told that?

Doesn't that seem like common sense to you? I mean, I'm not a nurse, but I wouldn't do it. (I wasn't directing that at you, SStar...I hope you know that! Just jumping off your post!)

 

[Jersey*Girl]

BBM.

He wasn't symptomatic so he wouldn't have been shedding virus yet in his urine or feces. He flew on September 19. That is what, 36 days ago? I don't think he became symptomatic until September 24? or was it the 26th? No one on his flight has become ill. That is highly suggestive that he was not contagious while asymptomatic.

As for why they are tracing this flight? Because it was so close to onset of symptoms, I would wonder if they might doubt her account of when her symptoms began or they are just doing it because they know at this point Americans will demand it.

Nrdsb4, from my understanding he could have been asymptomatic on the outside but internally the Ebola would be present, in which case it could show in his urine, excrement, spit, sweat. One sec & I'll find what I came across yesterday.

ETA - Found it. Looks like this actually kills 2 birds with one stone so to speak. Dogs definitely can carry the virus and pass to humans. Here's a PDF directly from the WHO and is from a study way back in 2000-2001. 6 pages - all is a must read.

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/11/3/pdfs/04-0981.pdf

 

[Gypsy Road]

That's not what I was saying. I said as a precautionary measure I wondered if they'd work better. Antifungal wipes cover a much broader spectrum than just antibacterial wipes. I was talking about for the skin. Obviously a wipe is not a medicine and shouldn't be treated as such. I very much know that Ebola isn't a fungus OMG.

Girl, I know that you know that I know that you....lol no...seriously...I knew why you posted that. You were just jumping off my post! You were just offering up some advice! I'd rather be in the know about fungus wipes and possibly preventing a fungus skin infection then getting one and having to go to the doctor

 

[SStarr33]

Dow down another two hundred from my last post

 

[Sonya610]

Said that the local authorities first became aware of this at 6:30 this morning, when they were contacted by the airline. They also said one of the victims would be transferred to Emory, and they think it is this new one.

Huh? So the airline informed the city authorities?

Why the sudden transfer to Emory when the other nurse had NOT been transferred? This does not sound good.

:notgood:

Worse yet I expect HIPPA laws to be enforced vehemently which could stop all news of more infections.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Panic is unwarranted at this time, imo. Duncan was asymptomatic on the flight. The nurse who flew to Ohio broke protocol. The nurses union can flap their arms all they want but the nurses are supposed to be following the protocol which includes self-monitoring.

(CNN) -- [Breaking News update 1:05 p.m.]

Because she had helped care for Dallas Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan, this health care worker should not have traveled on a commercial airplane, CDC Director Tom Frieden said.

At that point, health care workers were undergoing self-monitoring. They were allowed to travel but not on a commercial plane with other people, he said.

Moving forward, the CDC will ensure that no one else in such a situation travels outside of a closed environment, he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/health/texas-ebola-outbreak/index.html

So this IMO is probably the reason she's being transferred to Emory...bc maybe before she was trusted to stay quarantined but didn't so now she's been taken to a facility where she's under mandatory supervised quarantine? Maybe?

 

[Gypsy Road]

Wow... CDC...it's about time --- no one being monitored will be allowed on commercial flights. What about Greyhound and Amtrack? Just a day late and a dollar short for Cleveland.
I've missed my calling. I'm going to apply to work at the CDC.

They shouldn't travel on subway or metro trains either. Stay home, stay put!

 

[bettybaby00]

I first thanked your post but then recanted.
IMO, it is painfully obvious after the fact that the hospital, health dept. CDC, whoever did not handle this properly.
The public has been told not to worry, it was all very low risk for those involved on caring for Duncan.
The young nurse is 26, was following her higher ups recommendations and therefore is a victim, IMO

JMO

ETA; I do see where a poster is saying they were told not to leave town. I still feel from the information provided that it was not stressed properly how much risk there was for them to catch this. We have all been told, it is not a threat...LIE

I won't argue that she's a victim, but will have to agree to disagree about the rest. Regardless of what administrators or CDC official sound bites state, just watching the evening news would likely make most people feel concerned, and possibly even question the accuracy of the official rhetoric.

Even if she was in Cleveland when she learned of her co-workers fate, once she had that info, then she could no longer be considered "low risk" regardless of what was being stated by the CDC. She should never have boarded the plane back to Dallas.

MOO and all that

And now I see your ETA.....

 

[WideOpen]

SNIPED

(CNN) -- [Breaking News update 1:05 p.m.]

Because she had helped care for Dallas Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan, this health care worker should not have traveled on a commercial airplane, CDC Director Tom Frieden said.

At that point, health care workers were undergoing self-monitoring. They were allowed to travel but not on a commercial plane with other people, he said.

Moving forward, the CDC will ensure that no one else in such a situation travels outside of a closed environment, he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/health/texas-ebola-outbreak/index.html

How does he think he can actually achieve this? What measures will be taken? This should not be happening, mind-blowing.

JMO

 

[cady]

Huh? So the airline informed the city authorities?

Why the sudden transfer to Emory when the other nurse had NOT been transferred? This does not sound good.

:notgood:

Worse yet I expect HIPPA laws to be enforced vehemently which could stop all news of more infections.

Yesterday Nina was upgraded to GOOD condition so it sounds like she will beat this. I suspect that Amber is very ill............and may have been ill for several days........JMO

 

[SStarr33]

UPDATED | 3 quarantined In Akron after Ebola victim's visit; CDC criticizes trip - See more at: http://www.vindy.com/news/2014/oct/...cleveland-flight-monday/#sthash.FEYEg7lu.dpuf