Egypt Air flight 804 missing, 19 May 2016

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EgyptAir Crash: Why Don't More Airlines Stream Black Box Data?

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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/eg...ck-box-data-cost-keeps-others-offline-n580966

WOW- what a line we have beengiven...........

"There has been nothing since day one," a source familiar with the investigation told Reuters.

No new radio signal has been received from an EgyptAir jet since the day it crashed in the Mediterranean Sea last week, sources close to the investigation told Reuters on Friday.

Media reports on Thursday suggested that a new signal had allowed officials to further home in on where the black box recorders might be located.

A radio signal picked up on the day of the crash from the plane's emergency locator transmitter (ELT) allowed officials to determine a broadly defined search zone, but nothing new has since been detected

These are separate from the signals transmitted by the ELT, which sends a radio signal upon impact that is not designed to continue emitting once the plane is submerged underwater,

(2015) airline models with the five lowest crash rates (for models with at least two million flights) has changed, with the Airbus A320 dropping to fifth place due to the March 2015 Germanwings crash in France:

  1. 0.00 - Airbus A340
  2. 0.05 - Embraer 170/190
  3. 0.07 - Boeing 747-400
  4. 0.08 - Boeing 737-600/700/800/900
  5. 0.10 - Airbus A320 (includes A318, A319, A321)
 
CARIIS said:
EgyptAir Crash: Why Don't More Airlines Stream Black Box Data?


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/eg...ck-box-data-cost-keeps-others-offline-n580966

WOW- what a line we have beengiven...........

"There has been nothing since day one," a source familiar with the investigation told Reuters.

No new radio signal has been received from an EgyptAir jet since the day it crashed in the Mediterranean Sea last week, sources close to the investigation told Reuters on Friday.

Media reports on Thursday suggested that a new signal had allowed officials to further home in on where the black box recorders might be located.

A radio signal picked up on the day of the crash from the plane's emergency locator transmitter (ELT) allowed officials to determine a broadly defined search zone, but nothing new has since been detected




."There has been nothing since day one,"
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I hope there is a way to get the cost down but surely if an airline can pay $426 million dollars for an A380 or $98 million dollars for an A320 $100,000 isn't going to bankrupt them. Airbus price list 2016 http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/p...ail/new-airbus-aircraft-list-prices-for-2016/ I don't know about you but I would rather pay a higher fare to avoid an MH370 situation for my loved ones should the worst happen.
 
At 8:20 this is kinda what I visualize from 9000 feet to impact----- just my visual opinion ha !

[video=youtube;pYA_lwwvhL0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYA_lwwvhL0[/video]
 
gregjrichards said:
I hope there is a way to get the cost down but surely if an airline can pay $426 million dollars for an A380 or $98 million dollars for an A320 $100,000 isn't going to bankrupt them. Airbus price list 2016 http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/p...ail/new-airbus-aircraft-list-prices-for-2016/ I don't know about you but I would rather pay a higher fare to avoid an MH370 situation for my loved ones should the worst happen.
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AIrlines these days are trying to make profits where they can from baggage fees to not serving meals on a 5-6 hour flight. If passengers will not pay for baggage then I doubt they would be willing to pay higher fares. I have noticed over the past 8-9 years the cushions being thinned out in the seats and reclining space has shortened. Smaller seats are put in to add more to a row even. They say they care about their customers but in reality they are more interested in profits and shares.Airline club membership has declined also,It used to go by how much you flew and now it is how much you pay per flight.
I remember reading how airlines believe losing a plane and passengers is part of the business and it is less costly to lose one than suspend all flights for replacement repairs (cannot remember where I saw that). Now airlines are givin years to slowly make repairs and replacements while still flying.
The FAA would have to be dragged into doing this costly thing only after years of lawyers and red tape,Jmo.
 
Good observation Gigi. I say because the find may be the opposite of sunken treasure.
 
cuffem said:
AIrlines these days are trying to make profits where they can from baggage fees to not serving meals on a 5-6 hour flight. If passengers will not pay for baggage then I doubt they would be willing to pay higher fares. I have noticed over the past 8-9 years the cushions being thinned out in the seats and reclining space has shortened. Smaller seats are put in to add more to a row even. They say they care about their customers but in reality they are more interested in profits and shares.Airline club membership has declined also,It used to go by how much you flew and now it is how much you pay per flight.
I remember reading how airlines believe losing a plane and passengers is part of the business and it is less costly to lose one than suspend all flights for replacement repairs (cannot remember where I saw that). Now airlines are givin years to slowly make repairs and replacements while still flying.
The FAA would have to be dragged into doing this costly thing only after years of lawyers and red tape,Jmo.
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Thanks for this post. I understand airlines are out to make as much profit as possible particularly low cost carriers. If this black box data streaming is going to happen it will need to be made mandatory by the flight regulators. Surely Boeing and Airbus can come up with a way to do this that is more cost effective than $100,000 a plane?

Interestingly this article has been published in the last couple of hours.

"The challenges that accident investigators are facing locating crash recorders from EgyptAir Flight 804 almost two weeks after the plane went down are prompting Airbus to intensify its effort to find alternative ways to tap crucial flight data from lost aircraft.

“This reinforces our overall approach to find solutions to get data out of accidents as soon as possible,” said Charles Champion, executive vice president for engineering at Airbus Group SE’s plane-making unit."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/airbus-...nd-new-ways-to-retrieve-crash-data-1464691976
 
reposting

Its here already and free

Inmarsat has confirmed it has proposed to ICAO a free global airline tracking service over the Inmarsat network, as part of the anticipated adoption of further aviation safety service measures by the world’s airlines following the loss of flight MH370.
This service is being offered to all 11,000 commercial passenger aircraft, which are already equipped with an Inmarsat satellite connection, virtually 100 per cent of the world’s long haul commercial fleet.

http://www.inmarsat.com/press-releas...cking-service/
 
Washington (CNN)A government watchdog agency says the Transportation Safety Administration is deficient in its oversight of airport perimeter security -- and it could create dangerous vulnerability for the entire U.S. commercial aviation system.

According to a report issued Tuesday by the Government Accountability Office, TSA has failed to update its recommendations to reflect new potential threats. While airports have the day-to-day responsibility of securing their perimeters -- as well as all airport access points -- TSA is responsible for setting minimum standards for airports to follow.

[video=cnn;tv/2016/05/27/long-tsa-lines-airport-security-travel-weekend-flores-chicago-ohare-lead.cnn]http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/31/politics/tsa-airport-security-deficient/index.html[/video]
 
Just seen breakng news that it's believed that a signal has been detected from the aircraft's black boxes.

This link is just breaking news so at the moment has no further information than I've written above, additional info should be added on this page as it comes in :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36427053
 
Possible underwater signal from EgyptAir Flight 804 detected, say investigators

[video]http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/01/africa/egyptair-possible-signal-detected/index.html?sr=twcnni060116egyptair-possible-signal-detected1116AMVODtopLink&linkId=25062987[/video]

[video=twitter;737965834447028224]https://twitter.com/nbstv/status/737965834447028224[/video]

NBS TelevisionVerified account ‏@nbstv 10m10 minutes ago
A possible underwater signal from missing EgyptAir Flight 804 has been detected, according to investigators. #MS804
 
Translated from French by Bing
#MS804: French source evokes '2 different signals' captured at sea. "Probably" the two flight recorders.

https://twitter.com/FranckGenauzeau

At least they are saying "probably" "could be" instead of it is.
 
"French naval search vessel has picked up signals believed to originate from one of the black boxes of EgyptAir flight MS804 which crashed into the Mediterranean last month.

The Civil Aviation Ministry is citing a statement from the committee investigating the crash as saying the vessel Laplace is the one that received the signals.

The EgyptAir Airbus A320 crashed into the sea with 66 people on board during a May 19 flight from Paris to Cairo after disappearing from radar screens."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...located-French-search-team-Mediterranean.html

Thanks for all your posts and news updates everyone.
 
I hesitated posting this but it's all over twitter from MSM (not US) & is from Airlive.

BREAKING According to French public TV, Egyptair A320 made 3 emergency landings before #MS804 crash

The Airbus A320's flight MS804 EgyptAir which crashed into the Mediterranean Sea on the night of Wednesday 18 to Thursday 19 May, was forced to turn around and emergency landing at least 3 times during the 24 hours before the crash, according to information from French public TV France 3 gathered Wednesday 1 June.

The aircraft made six rotations between Asmara (Eritrea), Cairo (Egypt), Tunis (Tunisia) and Paris when it suddenly disappeared from radar screens.

In its different rotations between 18 and 19 May, ACARS messages sent to the ground signaled anomalies on board shortly after takeoff from 3 airports. We do not know yet the exact nature.

These alert procedures have caused each time a technical audit on the ground but the aircraft was allowed to take off again to continue his journey over the Mediterranean.


http://www.airlive.net/breaking-egyptair-flight-ms804-from-paris-to-cairo-disappears-from-radar/
 
From post #696 : So, why didn't they put the passengers on a different flight after 3 emergency landings ???
Makes no sense.

I'm still veering between a faulty aircraft or terrorist attack -- but more towards a mechanical problem.

My .02 is that whomever stands the most to lose will want to blame a bomb before admitting the plane was not fit to fly.
:moo:
 
LietKynes said:
From post #696 : So, why didn't they put the passengers on a different flight after 3 emergency landings ???
Makes no sense.

I'm still veering between a faulty aircraft or terrorist attack -- but more towards a mechanical problem.

My .02 is that whomever stands the most to lose will want to blame a bomb before admitting the plane was not fit to fly.
:moo:
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Thanks for the information, does it state the nature of the emergency landings?
 
emirates1957 said:
Thanks for the information, does it state the nature of the emergency landings?
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RSBM

According to Dr. Know?'s post #696 , doesn't sound as if they will release this-- or do not know yet ?
From a layman's viewpoint -- is a rotation the time a plane leaves and then arrives at another airport ?
Sorry I could have googled it. :p

Thanks again to Dr. Know? --and everyone who has kept posting about this tragedy.

I really feel for the families --they deserve answers !
 
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