Evidence revealed during the course of the Wrongful Death action

[burke_dennings]

Yeah, I caught that whooper when I watched as well. The balcony was the height of a yardstick...and hardly any trouble for someone so fit as Rebecca to go over.

And Mary Suii Zahau Hoecker/Loehner's husband Doug Loehner, a Traffic Officer with the St. Joseph Missouri Police Department, sat next to her as she told this deliberate lie in front of millions of viewers.

Mary had to throw in something new during her third appearance on Dr Phil, even if it was a lie that could be easily refuted.

 

[burke_dennings]

I think it was you who quoted some stuff about Rebecca, running for long distances in record time etc. all her accomplishments physically etc, I think that yard stick would have been an easy height for her to jump. Even with ankles tied together, she was a very fit woman, very athletic and agile. not some out of shape person.

The source of the glowing remarks about Becky's physicality is a former coworker of hers....

William K. Christian, an ophthalmologist who worked closely with her at Horizon Eye Specialists & Lasik Center in Scottsdale from 2008 to late 2010.

"She could run like a gazelle. She ran up Camelback Mountain in 32 minutes, and competed in last year’s Rock ’n’ Roll Marathon—26.2 miles—without even training for it,”

http://www.newsweek.com/what-really-happened-coronado-mansion-67411

 

[LuckyLucy2]

And Blessed with delicate fingers and good manual dexterity, Rebecca trained for and became a licensed eye technician, able to assist in cataract and Lasik surgery. “She loved the work,” says Zahau-Loehner

http://www.newsweek.com/what-really-happened-coronado-mansion-67411q


Yet Mary would now have you believe that Becky could not even tie her shoes.

 

[burke_dennings]

And Blessed with delicate fingers and good manual dexterity, Rebecca trained for and became a licensed eye technician, able to assist in cataract and Lasik surgery. “She loved the work,” says Zahau-Loehner

http://www.newsweek.com/what-really-happened-coronado-mansion-67411q


Yet Mary would now have you believe that Becky could not even tie her shoes.

Lying seems to be a common trait among the Zahau sisters.


Here we have Becky referring to Max as her son:


"Ted Greenberg, the owner of San Diego-based Camp Diggity Dogs, received a call from Nalepa, who explained that her son was injured in a fall and she needed the dog-boarding service to pick up her 14-month-old Weimaraner pup so she could go to the hospital."


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/07/19/jonah-shacknai-mansion-deaths-girlfriend-rebecca-nalepa-son-max-die-within-days.html

 

[*Lash*]

Dina's answers for her whereabouts at the time of Becky's death were good enough for the San Diego County Sheriff's Office and the Coronado Police department.

Best conclusion?

Sheriff Gore-

"No one witnessed this event. We don't know in what order things were done," he said. "This was the best conclusion we could come to: She made the decision to take her own life."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news...death-ruled-suicide-family-objects/50233234/1

 

[bourne]

I think it was you who quoted some stuff about Rebecca, running for long distances in record time etc. all her accomplishments physically etc, I think that yard stick would have been an easy height for her to jump. Even with ankles tied together, she was a very fit woman, very athletic and agile. not some out of shape person.

So what? Even the best Olympian in the world cannot hop, skip and jump with their HANDS TIED BEHIND THEIR BACK AND LEGS BOUND WITH MULTIPLE WOUNDS OF ROPES OVER BOTH HANDS AND FEET AND A TIGHT NOOSE AND TIGHT SHIRT WOUNDED SEVERAL TIMES AROUND THEIR NECK AND SLEEVE STUCK AS A GAG DOWN THEIR THROAT over any balcony without leaving footprints and DNA on balcony floor or railing. Unless you're claiming this is a science fiction movie wherein Rebecca could also make herself invisible and teleport herself?

Get real.

 

[bourne]

MZL only heard Becky's side of the story - I bet Jonah, Dina, ES, GS, and ex-wife Kimberly James would have a vastly different version n than what Becky told Mary.

As far as Becky being so close to Mary, that seems to not be true. After all, she never even told Mary about being convicted for stealing $1000 worth of jewelry form Macy's. Mary found out when Radar Online uncovered that and printed it.

LOL And these third parties -- IF THEY WERE EVEN PRIVVY TO MARY & REBECCA'S PRIVATE COMMUNICATIONS TO EACH OTHER -- how do their *third or fourth or fifth party hearsays* gain more significance and truth than Mary's own words regarding Mary's own conversation with her own sister Rebecca?

 

[bourne]

Mrs. Mary Suii Hoecker/Loehner started smearing Dina, a woman she had never even met, from the early days of the case.

Becky gossiped to her about Dina:

“I didn’t ever meet Jonah’s ex-wife,” says Mary. “I just know that she was making Becky’s life difficult. I think she was rude to her a lot of times, requesting that Becky not attend any function with the kids, especially Max. Things like that.”

And Becky griped to her about Jonah's older son and daughter:

"She was disappointed in his [teenaged] kids, [how] they were allowed to be openly rude to her. Those other two children didn’t want her, period. They resented her. And Jonah would not defend her [against them], stop that. Not really. Not by my impression.”

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2011/sep/14/citylights2-rebecca-zahau/?print

LOL Stating the truth is not smearing someone's reputation. That's what Rebecca told her and Mary was restating it to the authorities. Nothing wrong with that. Someone ask you what your loved one who recently passed away said to you about someone else, you give them the info. It's as simple as that. Nothing nefarious about what Mary said. Stop twisting it around to mean something evil when it was her HONEST recollections of what her own beloved sister Rebecca told her.

Dina, on the other hand, was DIRECTLY AND BLATANTLY SMEARING and SLANDERING Rebecca and the Zahau teen sister XZ's reputation, asserting with NO evidence that both Rebecca and XZ "torpedoed" Max to his death, "causing his homicide". And Dina did this on LIVE TELEVISION during her multiple media circuit runs. Dina knows how to manipulate the public and continues to do so today. Dina's sly, devious and well-versed in tricks of the trade and one can extrapolate that to mean she's experienced in manipulating & misleading people and fabricating nonsense as she clearly has been doing in attempting to divert the WDS case to make her a victim and Rebecca and Zahau family into criminals.

Dina thinks she will get away with the murder and her shenanigans, but the courts of the legal system and that of public opinion -- we all could see through her lies and deception and hate. Keep going down this path Dina. You'll see where it gets you. Good luck.

Sayonara. :jail: to Dina and all murderers.

 

[*Lash*]

Snipped for context-

Lying seems to be a common trait among the Zahau sisters.

Talk about lying? San Diego Superior Court Judge Kerry Wells dismisses a murder case because SDSO botched the case. Failure to investigate. Clear negligence. Evidence not analyzed. Basic, simple, routine steps not done. In my opinion, a murderer walks free. It happens.

Then we have a familiar name, Lt. Larry Nesbit, stating these mistakes could not happen now. Lt. Nesbit participated in Rebecca's investigation. Wherein all evidence was not collected, analyzed and routine steps not followed. I know, Rebecca's case had 15 investigators and several agencies. Even with 15 investigators and several agencies pertinent evidence was either not analyzed and some evidence not even collected.

No conviction in botched case Oct. 30, 2011

SAN DIEGO — It’s been four months since the murder case against Russell Upton Jr., accused of killing his wife 16 years ago, ended in a hung jury and then a stunning dismissal by San Diego Superior Court Judge Kerry Wells.

The reason: the failure of the Sheriff’s Department to investigate the case for nine years after the body of Marilane Abueg, 21, was found.

Wells said there was “clear negligence” by sheriff’s detectives for failing to do even the most basic investigation when the crime occurred.


--“Obviously, there were mistakes made in that case,” sheriff’s homicide Lt. Larry Nesbit said last week.

But Nesbit, who was not involved in the Abueg investigation, said the department has different procedures now to prevent similar errors in the future.


--Without a confession, the investigation seemed to stop, Wells said. The physical evidence collected wasn’t analyzed. A tire print found at the scene was never compared to the tires on Upton’s car. Moreno did not write a report, and he lost his notes. Upton’s own timeline of his whereabouts was never checked out, Wells said.


Basic steps not done

--The couple’s apartment was never searched, and neighbors in the complex weren’t interviewed.

“I don’t think any of the things I just listed are nitpicking,” Wells said, in dismissing the case. “They are the basic, simple, classic routine steps in any investigation. … And so it is, quite frankly, astonishing to me they were not done or even attempted.”


--Nesbit, who became the sheriff’s homicide unit lieutenant this year, said the errors that plagued the case could not happen now. There is a better tracking system, regular meetings among teams and other steps.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2011/oct/30/no-conviction-in-botched-case/?ap

 

[bourne]

And Blessed with delicate fingers and good manual dexterity, Rebecca trained for and became a licensed eye technician, able to assist in cataract and Lasik surgery. “She loved the work,” says Zahau-Loehner

http://www.newsweek.com/what-really-happened-coronado-mansion-67411q


Yet Mary would now have you believe that Becky could not even tie her shoes.

Absurd analogy and clear exaggeration of statements Mary made. Enough of your silly play on Mary's words. Try to use some real evidence.

 

[SweetT]

So what? Even the best Olympian in the world cannot hop, skip and jump with their HANDS TIED BEHIND THEIR BACK AND LEGS BOUND WITH MULTIPLE WOUNDS OF ROPES OVER BOTH HANDS AND FEET AND A TIGHT NOOSE AND TIGHT SHIRT WOUNDED SEVERAL TIMES AROUND THEIR NECK AND SLEEVE STUCK AS A GAG DOWN THEIR THROAT over any balcony without leaving footprints and DNA on balcony floor or railing. Unless you're claiming this is a science fiction movie wherein Rebecca could also make herself invisible and teleport herself?

Get real.

An olympian can almost assuredly do the jumping and bouncing.. as far as DNA and foot prints, Its not my specialty but If Jodi Arias can kill Travis and the only thing they have on her is a handprint and camera then I think DNA may be much over rated there should have been tons of it there. It must be a bit more elusive than we would all care to admit. I also do not think Dina, Nina and Adam are going to go through some circus acts etc to kill Rebecca.
Oh by the way I am most assuredly REAL..and you better hope if this goes to a jury that no one like me gets on there cause There is no way I would say Dina, Nina and Adam were guilty of anything other than association and not by choice with Rebecca.
If no one else was at the mansion with Rebecca the only thing your left with is that she did this to herself. I do think she was a very angry person, and I do think she wanted to make it seem like someone did this to her. That is not a last act of love IMO quite the opposite, like If I cant have this lifestyle I will bring you down with me. It would be ridiculous for Dina to be involved in killing Rebecca when she wanted answers herself about her sons accident. I'm no expert on killing people but I just do not see these three people involving themselves in a charade like this. Plus as you all have stated so many times, Dina is broke...only the wealthiest of wealthy get away with murder. JMO

 

[LuckyLucy2]

The case is now 878 days old, and the Zahaus still have not come up with any evidence that places Dina, Nina, or Adam in the courtyard or Rebecca's office.

It is not looking good for the Zahaus and their case.

 

[justice be served]

The case is now 878 days old, and the Zahaus still have not come up with any evidence that places Dina, Nina, or Adam in the courtyard or Rebecca's office.

It is not looking good for the Zahaus and their case.

You, I and every other poster on this forum has no idea what either side has come up with. However, the judge has determined that the case should go to trial. And that can't be disputed.

 

[CricketFern]

It is not looking good for the Zahaus and their case.

That is a matter of opinion. Judging by the known facts it seems to me that they have an excellent case.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

^ To have a "excellent" case, they will need some PHYSICAL proof that Dina, Nina, and/or Adam were in the courtyard, in Rebecca's office, and on the courtyard. All they have are a scream, a impartial (IMO) witness, and Dr. Wecth, who has said he "cannot say it was murder",

I just hope they try to do a reinactment of the impossible fantasy the Zahaus are claiming. That would be hilarious. I hope the Defense insistes on it!

 

[Frigga]

Wow!

Hilarious?

Just wow... I think that is a sick and twisted thought process in regards to a murder or suicide. I can't even wrap my head around it.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Many people here called for the SDSO doing a recreation of Rebecca's hanging, how is asking the Zahaus to recreate their Three Stooges act twisted when that isn't?

In fact, News Channel 8 did a recreation of Rebecca's death, in which it took the law student less than 30 minutes to complete all the steps Rebecca went through to commit suicide. I did not hear anyone here complaining about that. So it appears most people here think recreations are valid in explaining the actions of a particular scenerio.

I want to see how Dina and Nina chased Rebecca around the courtyard and hit her on the head three times - when Rebecca was know to run as fast as a "gazelle", according to Mary Zahau-Loehner.

 

[Waitaminute]

fast as a gazelle. With a foot injury that made her limp. and with more than one person there to make sure she didn't get very far.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Rebecca had a "slight" limp, and had no problem running "like a gazelle". Her trainer at the gym thought she was capable of doing what she did.

What I find hilarious, is the Zahaus crazy, ludicris, made-up, stupid, could-never-happen, concocted, and bizarre accound of what they are alledging happened that night. Like a three-stooges episode.

 

[1&2&3]

This thought just came to me. On the thread about Cheryl DeBoer, there has been much discussion whether her death was suicide or murder. In retracing what is known about her fateful morning, the outstanding question is how did she even know about the manner in which she died. Many of us had never heard of it, so did she research it and if so where.

This leads me to ask the same question about Rebecca. From the many steps that were involved in her pre-death preparation, where did this idea and knowledge come from? The computer and phone records did not show that she had been looking for this information. Paint a message on the door, tie a rope to the bed frame, and each of the other steps that were taken to make an entity say her death looks like a suicide. All of these steps took knowledge of using these steps in another manner. Do you see what I am trying to say? Someone(s) was simulating everything, with the exception of the note, with a practice they were familiar with. Maybe being on a boat, wanting to throw an item overboard, and making sure it stayed down - like an anchor or a net?

Rebecca did not come up with this idea herself! There were much easier ways to hang herself! The time it took to do all this preparation, she could have done the deed and it would be over. Most women do have some modesty. Rebecca would not have put herself on public display like she was on. This was done by a person who really hated her! This person wanted to do everything in their power to get revenge on Rebecca. And what about the clothes Rebecca was wearing before her shower? Did she stuff them down the drain? No, they were not found. But were the drains really checked? Like all the other mysteries in this case, Rebecca's clothes just weren't found!

If a question arose without an immediate answer, swoosh, it was like that question had never been asked. On to something else.

On the redundant remark of Rebecca not telling Mary about the shoplifting episode, I find that quite natural. How many of us do not tell anyone of a negative in our life or an event we are ashamed of?