FL - 17 killed in Stoneman Douglas H.S. shooting, Parkland, 14 Feb 2018 #1 *Arrest*

[rsd1200]

The instances you mention (but for the tower shooter) aren’t mass shootings, tbih.

Someone in charge needs to start hammering out a definition and staying with it, because a single student is one too many:

Starting in 2008, the FBI limited its definition of mass shootings to a single incident in which a shooter kills four or more people, according to the criminologist Frederic Lemieux, writing in the Chicago Tribune. But in 2013 the agency decided to rely on a definition for an “active shooter” instead of narrowing in on a definition of “mass shootings”; it defined an “active shooter” as a person “actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a confined and populated area.” This “active shooter” definition includes incidents in which fewer than four people die. The definition change makes historical study of the issue especially complicated given the variation in what counted as a mass shooting before 2008 and what counts now. Further complicating matters is that, after the 2012 shootings in Newtown, Connecticut, Congress officially defined“mass killings” as three or more killings in a single incident. Twenty schoolchildren were among those murdered in that attack.

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Connecticut Democratic Senator Chris Murphy, who was in office at the time of the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook elementary school, said to Congress in a floor speech Wednesday: “We are responsible for a level of mass atrocity that happens in this country with zero parallel anywhere else. As a parent, it scares me to death that this body doesn't take seriously the safety of my children, and it seems like a lot of parents in South Florida are going to be asking that same question later today.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/educati...ther-school-shootingbut-whos-counting/553412/

 

[x_files]

I honestly wish I had some kind of insight on the "why". Something has drastically changed in the last 20 years that just *wasn't* a part of polite society prior. Ever. It has nothing to do with ease of access to weapons of any kind, but has everything to do with an idea that mass murder is some sort of means to an end. Clearly not the reasoning of a mentally stable person.

Infamy. They see other shooter's created chaos, fear and they die in infamy.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

If he made threats he should have been arrested a long time ago and in juvie. Why did they drop the ball?!!!

An 8th grader at my daughter's middle school made a threat to bring a gun to school and kill people. This was even recorded by another student. The police got involved, they "determined" she wasn't a real danger, they had an officer by each entrance the next school day. They said she'd been dealt with as far as any criminal issues as well as disciplinary action from the school.

This happened on a Friday. She was absent Monday. Right back at school on Tuesday.

 

[x_files]

The Jonesboro attack is where the shooters pulled the fire alarm to lure everyone outside, then shot people to death from the woods by the school.

This is now worse than the Columbine attack, sadly.

I don't understand how this guy got anywhere near that school after being expelled. The security staff should have been aware of him. Will be interesting to hear how he got into the school.

thank you, that's the one case. good god...that's truly depressing thought.

 

[x_files]

An 8th grader at my daughter's middle school made a threat to bring a gun to school and kill people. This was even recorded by another student. The police got involved, they "determined" she wasn't a real danger, they had an officer by each entrance the next school day. They said she'd been dealt with as far as any criminal issues as well as disciplinary action from the school.

This happened on a Friday. She was absent Monday. Right back at school on Tuesday.

That scares me. How do they know she's not a threat?
When I went to school even joking would have gotten you expelled and arrested by a cop. Why aren't they taking these red flags more serious? Lack of training perhaps?

 

[cujenn81]

The school board here just recently approved the district to hire armed security guards from a privately owned outside agency and have placed them in the schools, in addition to the resource officers that have already been placed there by the local police department. I hate that children are being forced to get their education from a place that resembles a prison yard more than it resembles a school yard but if that’s what it takes to keep them safe then I’m all for it.


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[popsicle]

The Pulse shooter was also reported, investigated and case closed.

 

[cujenn81]

That’s what I heard as well, but can you pull a fire alarm from the outside? The channel I was watching said the doors open when the fire alarm is pulled. I didn’t realize you could pull the alarm from the outside?

There were breezeways that led from one building to another at my high school and there were fire alarms located along those breezeways outside.


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[popsicle]

Cruz is one of two sons of Roger and Lynda Cruz, who are both dead, according to records obtained by NBC Miami.

Lynda died in November 2017, and Roger died in August 2004. They were married in July 2002, according to records.

 

[cujenn81]

I remember the Jonesboro school shooting back in the late 90s, the two kids who did that set off the fire alarm specifically to funnel students out of the school. The first kid set the alarm off inside the school, and the second kid was waiting in a sniper position in the wood before he was joined by the first one.

Even more chilling is the fact that they were just 13 and 11 years old when they implemented this plan. I remember being shocked how young they were, to do such planning.

The two guys at Columbine had planned to do something similar - planted bombs in a book bag in the commons area and it was supposed to go off at a specific time and would trigger the sprinkler system (thereby triggering the fire alarm) and they waited outside on opposite sides of the building to increase the number of casualties. The bomb never went off though, so they changed tactics and stormed in shooting instead.


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[rsd1200]

I honestly wish I had some kind of insight on the "why". Something has drastically changed in the last 20 years that just *wasn't* a part of polite society prior. Ever. It has nothing to do with ease of access to weapons of any kind, but has everything to do with an idea that mass murder is some sort of means to an end. Clearly not the reasoning of a mentally stable person.

I found this very interesting.

Why is the US #1 in Mass Shootings?

Across the world, countries' rates of homicides and suicides bore no clear relation to their likelihood of mass shootings in Lankford's analysis. In several countries with sky-high murder rates -- Mexico, Venezuela and Nigeria for instance -- mass shootings were extremely rare.




But the association between national firearm ownership rates and number of mass shooters per country showed clear statistical significance, he found. Behind the United States' top spot, Finland and Switzerland rank third and fourth, respectively, in per-capita gun ownership. While both countries enjoy vaunted reputations as safe places to live, both (along with No. 2 Yemen and No. 5 Serbia) ranked in the top 15 countries internationally for mass shooters per capita.

"Increasingly in America -- perhaps more than in any other country on the globe -- fame is revered as an end unto itself," Lankford wrote. "Some mass shooters succumb to terrible delusions of grandeur and seek fame and glory through killing."

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-united-states-mass-shooting-20150824-story.html

 

[CARIIS]

Yes good point, the date you refer to of course is St Valentines day.

Could be coincidence of course, but the "St Valentines Day Massacre" is a popular meme for
want of a better word. I wonder if this day was chosen because of that?

It was poignant - they said there were a lot of flowers at school today ..........

that video shot in real time -- it is the loudest gun shots (have not any exposure to guns ) but from all the shootings it was so loud


The volume of PUlse also freaked me out

how do people that have them in their not go deaf-- it is a very violating sound

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Broward County Sheriff shares important reminder after school shooting: ‘If you see something, say something’

http://fox8.com/2018/02/14/broward-...-shooting-if-you-see-something-say-something/

The sheriff is a big advocate of 'see something, say something'. It seems the shooter was on the radar of school administrators and students at the very least. I wonder what else could have been done here, according to a link previously posted he was receiving mental health care.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

He is following in the footsteps of The Columbine attack.

Not really. Columbine shooters placed bombs in the cafeteria. Their plan was that many people would die in the initial blast, and then they would shoot as many as they could who were running from the building. And *then* the bombs in their cars were supposed to explode, killing more students as well as any first responders who had arrived on scene.

 

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[/FONT][FONT=&amp]Metro-Atlanta family asking for prayers tonight after their daughter suffered multiple gunshot wounds in the #parkland school shooting in #Florida today. She went into her second surgery earlier. More tonight on #TheLateFeed @11AliveNews

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[MzOpinion8d]

That scares me. How do they know she's not a threat?
When I went to school even joking would have gotten you expelled and arrested by a cop. Why aren't they taking these red flags more serious? Lack of training perhaps?

It scares me too.

I wish I had the answer as to why things aren't taken more seriously.

It's like when someone has a stalker - they're told LE can't do anything if the stalker hasn't actually done anything to them. I guess we just keep waiting until the kids act and then talk about how we knew this would happen but no one could do anything about it.

 

[CARIIS]

An 8th grader at my daughter's middle school made a threat to bring a gun to school and kill people. This was even recorded by another student. The police got involved, they "determined" she wasn't a real danger, they had an officer by each entrance the next school day. They said she'd been dealt with as far as any criminal issues as well as disciplinary action from the school.

This happened on a Friday. She was absent Monday. Right back at school on Tuesday.

It is money there are no beds in juvi

Just saw first pic of him jeans down looks like dressing might be an issue. It like he is wearing regular shorts under jeans

Earlier , I thought the Polo shirt was strange for his age - they are not really popular any longer.

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He died his hair red - in earlier pics he has brown hair

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[CARIIS]

That scares me. How do they know she's not a threat?
When I went to school even joking would have gotten you expelled and arrested by a cop. Why aren't they taking these red flags more serious? Lack of training perhaps?

Valentines day?

Final rejection ???

Gard said that after the shooting, he learned from several students that Mr. Cruz was obsessed with a girl at the school to the point of “stalking her,”



By the end of the rampage, Mr. Cruz had killed 12 people inside the school and three outside it, including someone standing on a street corner, Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said

He had slipped out of the building by mixing in with crowds of students.

Sheriff Israel said he did not know the gunman’s motive. He said a football coach was among the dead, and the son of a deputy sheriff among the injured.

Jim Gard, a math teacher at the school, said Mr. Cruz was in his class in 2016 and appeared to be a “quiet” student. But Mr. Gard also recalled that “there was concern” about his behavior on the part of the school administration, which emailed teachers relaying those fears.

With the Parkland shooting, three of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in modern United States history have come in the last five months.

shootings that also shook the state. “Forty-nine slaughtered at the Pulse nightclub. Another handful slaughtered at the Fort Lauderdale airport, just a year ago, in the same county where this took place,” he said. “And that’s just Florida.

Parkland, an affluent suburb of Fort Lauderdale with a population of about 30,000, is known for its good public schools

largest in the Broward

Bogart, 17, a senior, said her teacher was finishing up a discussion of the Holocaust when she heard a series of loud bangs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/14/us/parkland-school-shooting.html



Was thinking how would anyone reading his stuff online not get scared

then I thought well they are all hanging around playing really violent stuff so I guess its desentization

Us older folks were not playing kill people games their moldable when young

first drill 930 right now it sounds like school will reopen on Mon

Per teacher MSNBC they had training drill for this 3 weeks ago

 

[abr]

everyone who mentioned guns is getting a time out.
If this person wad mentally stable would he have done this? NO. TAKE THE GUNS OUT OF THE TOPIC AND DISCUSS HOW WE STOP CREATING THESE KIDS WHO KILL !!!!!!

NO GUN TALK

I know that my opinion will not be a popular one, but I think that taking God out of our schools, country, and lives has a lot to do with it. Also, we, as a country have embraced the victim mentality instead of personal responsibility ( both the responsibility of the parents and the children). I grew up in the 60's and 70's and I went to school with the same 90 kids from K-12. There were some crazy guys, one who lived across the street from me. He had ADHD, for sure, but no accommodations or excuses were made for him. He was expected to do well in school and expected to behave, neither of which he did very well. BUT there were consequences for his actions and for his poor school work. He is highly successful today, and he will tell you that it was that little bit of fear of God, his father, teachers, and law enforcement that kept him from going too far. He had access to guns and was a druggie and broke into homes for a while. He was picked on in school, but often times that was because he picked on a girl (me) and another random guy would step in and punch him. I actually got called to the principal's office one time because he was punching me which led to him being punched several times. He tried to tell the principal that I caused him to be beat up. Principal wasn't having any of that nonsense. He never bothered me again.
I don't know that personal responsibility and accountability is the complete answer, ( as I said, I believe we need God), but it sure cannot hurt. No one is ever happy when they think they are a victim and wronged somehow. That line of thinking brings anger and rage with it.

JMO

 

[HamSandwich]

18th school shooting in 2018. We're only 32 school days in, so a shooting is occurring in 56% of American school days.

Thoughts and prayers aren't working.

(a) I agree with you
Too many school kids dying
What is the way out?

(b) Praying doesn't work
If it did, why so much death?
Thoughts have led to this.