FL - 17 killed in Stoneman Douglas H.S. shooting, Parkland, 14 Feb 2018 #3 *Arrest*

[human]

You weren`t dreaming, NC did sign over his 50% interest to both ZC & RD. It hasn`t hit MSM, yet.

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Per Broward County court records

Roxanne Cruz?

 

[human]

ITA. If they are trying to keep those teenagers from getting a record, what about the teenagers that do need to have a record? Having a history of criminal behavior but a clean record isn't going to do society any good.

Juvenile records have been sealed for decades.

 

[human]

No child left behind, no discipline, no police, no record. That definitely explains a lot about so many students.

No child left behind? Those are rules on what kids are supposed to do on testing. If a school fails, they got sanctioned and then further actions,

No discipline? That would be for decades or centuries. I believe Plato or someone like that said things like that for kids in his time.

Juvenile stuff has been different for decades. Usually police knew the kids in the community. It was more Andy Griffith.

 

[jjenny]

Juvenile records have been sealed for decades.

That doesn't make sense to me either. If they are allowed to purchase weapons, how is their background check going to work?

 

[sorrell skye]

How is he coping in jail? As far as I am concerned, I hope they put him in general population to see how he likes it.

I agree, Jenny. I'm not the least bit concerned with how NC may or may not be coping in jail. I'm glad he's locked up - that's exactly where he belongs.

I'm only concerned with how the families & friends of those who were brutally murdered are coping. I'm also concerned with how the survivors, who suffered horrific injuries, are coping. I'm concerned with how the traumatized students, faculty, and school staff are coping.

I grieve for the innocent 14 students and 3 school personnel, who will never enjoy another day on this blessed earth because they were slaughtered by a rage-filled, hateful mass murderer acting out his violent fantasies.

My concern is with the numerous victims. NC is not a victim.

NC is the perpetrator.

 

[jjenny]

No child left behind? Those are rules on what kids are supposed to do on testing. If a school fails, they got sanctioned and then further actions,

No discipline? That would be for decades or centuries. I believe Plato or someone like that said things like that for kids in his time.

Juvenile stuff has been different for decades. Usually police knew the kids in the community. It was more Andy Griffith.

So if a 18 year old shows up to buy assault weapons, with a juvenile record a mile long, he would be able to because the records are sealed? Then background checks are pretty much useless.

 

[human]

I agree, Jenny. I'm not the least bit concerned with how NC may or may not be coping in jail. I'm glad he's locked up - that's exactly where he belongs.

I'm only concerned with how the families & friends of those who were brutally murdered are coping. I'm also concerned with how the survivors, who suffered horrific injuries, are coping. I'm concerned with how the traumatized students, faculty, and school staff are coping.

I grieve for the innocent 14 students and 3 school personnel, who will never enjoy another day on this blessed earth because they were slaughtered by a rage-filled, hateful mass murderer acting out his violent fantasies.

My concern is with the numerous victims. NC is not a victim.

NC is the perpetrator.

NC is a victim, His bio mom was an addict. So as a baby in the womb, he did not make a decision to take drugs which may have affected his brain and nervous system,

He did not choose to see his father die. He did not choose to have kids make fun of him.

He did not choose to,have brain issues that affected his learning and behavior.

He chose to use guns to kill to deal with his issues. Everyone knows killing is wrong, even him.

Where do they put mass murderers? Roof is going to be executed, McVeigh was executed. So many kill themselves .

 

[PrairieWind]

Roxanne Cruz?

No, that is not what has happened. Nikolas has waived his right to act as personal representative. He still has his right to inherit. Probate issues can be complicated.

 

[PrairieWind]

But, who is Roxanne Cruz?

 

[Gooddeeds]

But, who is Roxanne Cruz?

That can’t be a typo? I haven’t seen this name before, anyone know who that is? The petitioner is Roxy Deschamps, not Cruz.

 

[PrairieWind]

Roxanne Cruz?

No child left behind? Those are rules on what kids are supposed to do on testing. If a school fails, they got sanctioned and then further actions,

No discipline? That would be for decades or centuries. I believe Plato or someone like that said things like that for kids in his time.

Juvenile stuff has been different for decades. Usually police knew the kids in the community. It was more Andy Griffith.

No that is not No Child Left Behind. NCLB was designed to do lots of things including mainstreaming low and special ed kids as much as possible. While it was well intentioned, it has resulted in highly disruptive kids being placed back in regular classes. Teachers often end up having to give an inordinate amount of their attention to one student, very much to the detriment of the other students. It is often called “no Child Gets Ahead.”

 

[kdg411]

Link

Read the details from the link above which may (may not) help explain the screenshot. I don`t know who Roxcanne Cruz is however probably a human error and the name is correct on Judge Greene`s order.

 

[sorrell skye]

NC is a victim, His bio mom was an addict. So as a baby in the womb, he did not make a decision to take drugs which may have affected his brain and nervous system,

He did not choose to see his father die. He did not choose to have kids make fun of him.

He did not choose to,have brain issues that affected his learning and behavior.

He chose to use guns to kill to deal with his issues. Everyone knows killing is wrong, even him.

Where do they put mass murderers? Roof is going to be executed, McVeigh was executed. So many kill themselves .

In our zeal to try to understand the possible etiology of mass murder shootings, we must remember that the true victims of mass murder shootings are the ones on the receiving end of the bullets.

Thus far, I have seen no evidence that the shooter was so neurologically damaged that he was incapable of making a different decision than the one he made when he mercilessly gunned down 17 victims and wounded 16 others. The reported evidence supports the opposite: He methodically planned his massacre and boasted about it up to two years prior. He was capable of tempering his behavior, as is evidenced by his ability to act 'normal' in various settings.

The sympathy/empathy/compassion (or whatever one wishes to call it ) extended to a mass murderer in an attempt to comprehend the possible root cause of their actions should never exceed the compassion & concern for the true victims of the mass murderers - the ones whose lives were heartlessly snuffed out, the ones who will spend years of their young lives undergoing surgeries & rehabilitation for the terrible injuries inflicted upon them, and the ones who are emotionally traumatized because they truly feared they were going to die, or who watched in terror as their friends were massacred.

According to media reports listed here in these threads, NC planned his execution and carried it out with cold cruelty. If he had been able to break the hurricane-proof glass in the window, he would have undoubtedly murdered many more.

Although I, too, would like to understand the possible etiology behind his barbaric actions, I have zero sympathy/empathy/compassion for this murderer. It's important, IMO, to not be manipulated by NC's attorney's claim that her client allegedly feels "remorse". I don't believe it for a single second.

Besides which, when ultimately convicted for his heinous crimes, any mitigating circumstances (such as possible "brain damage or mental illness") will only be relevant at the penalty phase, not when determining his guilt.

 

[Gooddeeds]

interesting.
I thought the lady that was trying to take over the finances last name was Deschamps, not Cruz. If the name is incorrect then I don't see how this is a binding contract. I can see NC willingly signing such a paper so that it goes to his brother and Deschamps rather than the money going to legal fees or the victims.

If it is supposed to be her name (Deschamps) how did this go unnoticed? Because as you have stated, it would definitely not be binding.

 

[PrairieWind]

It is odd. I have only seen this one screen shot. Is it notarized? It was signed while he was in jail, so someone had to bring it to him. Normally this is something prepared by the attorney representing the person applying to be personal representative. If so, this is not the sort of mistake you expect to see. But it appears to be a self help form. Perhaps obtained and sent by Roxanne?

 

[ohreally]

It is odd. I have only seen this one screen shot. Is it notarized? It was signed while he was in jail, so someone had to bring it to him. Normally this is something prepared by the attorney representing the person applying to be personal representative. If so, this is not the sort of mistake you expect to see. But it appears to be a self help form. Perhaps obtained and sent by Roxanne?

I was just thinking it would be nice to have one of our legal experts weigh in on this document. Can you weigh in on the part where does not is written in. Also by the last sentence does this documents only apply to his bond? So confusing.

 

[Safeguard]

In our zeal to try to understand the possible etiology of mass murder shootings, we must remember that the true victims of mass murder shootings are the ones on the receiving end of the bullets.

Thus far, I have seen no evidence that the shooter was so neurologically damaged that he was incapable of making a different decision than the one he made when he mercilessly gunned down 17 victims and wounded 16 others. The reported evidence supports the opposite: He methodically planned his massacre and boasted about it up to two years prior. He was capable of tempering his behavior, as is evidenced by his ability to act 'normal' in various settings.

The sympathy/empathy/compassion (or whatever one wishes to call it ) extended to a mass murderer in an attempt to comprehend the possible root cause of their actions should never exceed the compassion & concern for the true victims of the mass murderers - the ones whose lives were heartlessly snuffed out, the ones who will spend years of their young lives undergoing surgeries & rehabilitation for the terrible injuries inflicted upon them, and the ones who are emotionally traumatized because they truly feared they were going to die, or who watched in terror as their friends were massacred.

According to media reports listed here in these threads, NC planned his execution and carried it out with cold cruelty. If he had been able to break the hurricane-proof glass in the window, he would have undoubtedly murdered many more.

Although I, too, would like to understand the possible etiology behind his barbaric actions, I have zero sympathy/empathy/compassion for this murderer. It's important, IMO, to not be manipulated by NC's attorney's claim that her client allegedly feels "remorse". I don't believe it for a single second.

Besides which, when ultimately convicted for his heinous crimes, any mitigating circumstances (such as possible "brain damage or mental illness") will only be relevant at the penalty phase, not when determining his guilt.

I have zero sympathy for this creature... The social media posts tell the tale about his lack of a human soul. A psychopath. He had the presence of mind to say 'j/k" when he was called out on some of his sm posts... He did not say anything about hearing "voices" then...but he had the need to taunt and brag about what he was...

He calmly told the student that saw him loading his gun in the stairwell, " you better get out of here. Things are going to get messy"...

His apologies are a ruse imo.

 

[Gooddeeds]

It is odd. I have only seen this one screen shot. Is it notarized? It was signed while he was in jail, so someone had to bring it to him. Normally this is something prepared by the attorney representing the person applying to be personal representative. If so, this is not the sort of mistake you expect to see. But it appears to be a self help form. Perhaps obtained and sent by Roxanne?

Prairie, look at Kds post #1052 ‘Link’. There is additional documentation.

 

[PrairieWind]

I was just thinking it would be nice to have one of our legal experts weigh in on this document. Can you weigh in on the part where does not is written in. Also by the last sentence does this documents only apply to his bond? So confusing.

Ok, so I looked at the other documents on the link. First, I am not licensed to practice law in Florida and I have not looked at the Florida probate statutes. So i will only talk in general terms about probate. Typically, if there is a will, it will say who the personal representative is to be. The PR is the person who will administer the probate estate (often with the assistance of an attorney). If there is no will, state statutes set out a list of people who are entitled to be PR and their order of priority. Spouses are at the top, Children/parents, siblings, and then other extended families, some creditors, etc etc. In this case, Zac and Nik would have both been the first persons entitled to be PR. Neithere is really up to it. So Roxanne, whether asked by Nik or Zac or on her own initiative gets an attorney, has Nik sign a waiver of his right to be PR and asking the court to appoint Roxanne. Now, this is a little odd from my experience that a 3rd party would get to be appointed PR, but maybe its not odd in Florida. Usually, Zac would be the PR, with the help of an attorney. If this was in my state, a further named further down on the list of potential PRs could probably challenge this. This probably wont happen because Zac's right would trump everyone else, but Roxanne's appt is still unusual to me. Is he a minor? I can't remember. If he is a minor, then he can't be PR, but would need someone to be appointed guardian to do it on his behalf, but that doenst seem to have happened here.

 

[PrairieWind]

It doesn't so far look as if there are much in the way of assets in the estate. So why even bother with a probate? I am guessing that there perhaps trusts out there with significant funds in them. Perhaps Lynda was the trustee, and the real reason for the appointment of a PR is to act as successor trustee for those trusts. Usually trusts have a successor named, but maybe that person in this case is either deceased or unwilling to accept the role. Its impossible to say as we are on the outside looking in. But I am guessing that there are assets out there that are not necessarily going to pass through probate. If I were the attorney for an injured victim or for the family of a deceased victim, I would be paying close attention and file a claim in this probate ASAP. I would also get my wrongful death suit filed and try to get a prejudgment attachment on any funds that could be in play.