GUILTY FL - Dan Markel, 41, FSU law professor, Tallahassee, 18 July 2014 - #3 *Arrests*

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BSBC said:
Above the Law seems to be backing off its stance as an unfiltered conduit for the As' defense team. Today's post acknowledges that -- assuming Garcia and Rivera killed DM -- the As have a lot of explaining to do:
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That's between Garcia and KM.. maybe I was just reading the other folks comments wrong. I thought there was something new heh
 
tallyeng said:
Is there a phone call available between CA & KM ?
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Sorry. Not yet. The call we are referencing was between Garcia and KM early on.

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Russian Blue said:
Wow, well it's interesting that's what you hear. And I am not at all attacking your perception, but mine was that she was disinterested and bored talking to him. I had earlier she seemed not be even paying attention, distracted, biding her time.
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The moving the keeping the furniture they need in the KM's brother's garage, just the furniture they need.... (basically all of it) and he minimizes likes it nothing.
The i think you are wearing... line, she kinda giggles, I hear the casual banter and the kid talk, etc. I respect your opinion as well.
 
Please help me with this:

What do we really know about KM's "work" in As' dental office?

If you go to their website, you will notice it is really elaborate, with a detailed roster of its staff, including the clerical assistant staff. The website has been so elaborate for many years, including well before and through 2014. (Use the Wayback machine and click around for all of the previous years.) You will notice that the staff page never contains KM's name.

Now there are only a few possibilities: One, that she was such a temp so that she was never featured on the website, or she was featured briefly and taken down, during a short gap so it was missed by the Wayback machine. The other possibility, I think, is more nefarious: that her "work" was a money laundering front. Of course, it's possible that her "work" was so minor so is to not feature her on the website, but this seems implausible given that there are other assistance and clerical staff his names are listed.

I have tried to Google the news stories talking about her work at the dental office. And even though this fact is mentioned all over the place, I can't see anything noting additional information about, eg, when exactly she worked, how long she worked there, in what capacity she worked there, etc.
 
Defendpasadena said:
Please help me with this:

What do we really know about KM's "work" in As' dental office?

If you go to their website, you will notice it is really elaborate, with a detailed roster of its staff, including the clerical assistant staff. The website has been so elaborate for many years, including well before and through 2014. (Use the Wayback machine and click around for all of the previous years.) You will notice that the staff page never contains KM's name.

Now there are only a few possibilities: One, that she was such a temp so that she was never featured on the website, or she was featured briefly and taken down, during a short gap so it was missed by the Wayback machine. The other possibility, I think, is more nefarious: that her "work" was a money laundering front. Of course, it's possible that her "work" was so minor so is to not feature her on the website, but this seems implausible given that there are other assistance and clerical staff his names are listed.

I have tried to Google the news stories talking about her work at the dental office. And even though this fact is mentioned all over the place, I can't see anything noting additional information about, eg, when exactly she worked, how long she worked there, in what capacity she worked there, etc.
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:welcome: Great question you asked, & unfortunately I don't know the answer (yet ;)). I think I have read everything published recently about this case and don't ever recall reading anything specific about what capacity she worked in at the dental office. I will try to reach out to some folks tomorrow who may be able to provide an answer.
 
Defendpasadena said:
Please help me with this:

What do we really know about KM's "work" in As' dental office?

If you go to their website, you will notice it is really elaborate, with a detailed roster of its staff, including the clerical assistant staff. The website has been so elaborate for many years, including well before and through 2014. (Use the Wayback machine and click around for all of the previous years.) You will notice that the staff page never contains KM's name.

Now there are only a few possibilities: One, that she was such a temp so that she was never featured on the website, or she was featured briefly and taken down, during a short gap so it was missed by the Wayback machine. The other possibility, I think, is more nefarious: that her "work" was a money laundering front. Of course, it's possible that her "work" was so minor so is to not feature her on the website, but this seems implausible given that there are other assistance and clerical staff his names are listed.

I have tried to Google the news stories talking about her work at the dental office. And even though this fact is mentioned all over the place, I can't see anything noting additional information about, eg, when exactly she worked, how long she worked there, in what capacity she worked there, etc.
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I wonder if KM has any type of professional license or qualifications in the dental field to be working there. Is she certified in any related field. Dental Hygienist . . . Or was she administrative.
 
I don't know. I assumed its administrative, but I don't think it's really mentioned one way or the other.

The red flag here is the suspicion that KM never actually worked there, but she was on the payroll books so that she could receive money. That would explain her absense from the office's public face (their homey intimate website with group staff photos and bios of what seems to be all staff) yet at the same time being on payroll and thus using her "worked for As' office" as a front to get hit money launderded via fake wages.

Am I missing something here? Has anyone aired this obvious red flag and enlighten the discussion?
 
The only one I recall being vocal about KM'S job there was poor Mr. Weinstein, one of CA'S BFF and who just happens to be a lawyer. (who's probably regretting he ever got involved. )

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Defendpasadena said:
Please help me with this:

What do we really know about KM's "work" in As' dental office?

If you go to their website, you will notice it is really elaborate, with a detailed roster of its staff, including the clerical assistant staff. The website has been so elaborate for many years, including well before and through 2014. (Use the Wayback machine and click around for all of the previous years.) You will notice that the staff page never contains KM's name.

Now there are only a few possibilities: One, that she was such a temp so that she was never featured on the website, or she was featured briefly and taken down, during a short gap so it was missed by the Wayback machine. The other possibility, I think, is more nefarious: that her "work" was a money laundering front. Of course, it's possible that her "work" was so minor so is to not feature her on the website, but this seems implausible given that there are other assistance and clerical staff his names are listed.

I have tried to Google the news stories talking about her work at the dental office. And even though this fact is mentioned all over the place, I can't see anything noting additional information about, eg, when exactly she worked, how long she worked there, in what capacity she worked there, etc.
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Nice work with the wayback machine. I think it was a front too. I way to seemingly legitimize the payment of the money. I think they will need to end up getting witnesses who working the office at the time to testify that she was never there and never worked there.
 
Yes this has been discussed on the previous thread for this case. There were some posts about it on July 2. There was a quote from Weinstein in a news story around late June-early July where he said that KM worked for smilemakers after she and CA broke up. Which means she likely would have worked there after the murder if they were still dating at the time of the murder. I'm sure LE is probably interviewing employees to see what KM was doing there, if anything. Great catch on the way back machine. Speculation, IMHO.
 
miamiheat said:
Yes this has been discussed on the previous thread for this case. There were some posts about it on July 2. There was a quote from Weinstein in a news story around late June-early July where he said that KM worked for smilemakers after she and CA broke up. Which means she likely would have worked there after the murder if they were still dating at the time of the murder. I'm sure LE is probably interviewing employees to see what KM was doing there, if anything. Great catch on the way back machine. Speculation, IMHO.
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Here's a link to the article with Weinstein's comments:
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...-attorney-denies-markel-involvement/86560448/
Investigators say Katherine Magbanua, a former girlfriend of Charles Adelson and the mother of two of Garcia’s children, was the connection between the Adelsons and the two alleged hitmen.
Weinstein said Magbanua and Charles Adelson dated. She worked in the family’s Fort Lauderdale dental office after they broke up.


IMHO, if KM was somehow being passed money through her employment with smilemakers, there are a lot of ways that this could have been done. For example, this could have been a job for which she was not required to show up at all. Or, she may have been hired for a well paid position for which she was not qualified. Perhaps she was required to show up to work but not really do anything. She also could have been paid an inflated salary or bonuses for real work that she actually did complete -- among other possible creative arrangements. If the A's and KM were involved in this, they could have passed her a lot of money this way and made it look legit on paper. They could have also just passed her small cash payments each week at work until all payments were settled, and would not have had to schedule meetings that could have been picked up by surveillance. Or it could have been some combination of these tactics, plus the alleged boob job payment. Just speculating here, as always.
 
Rivera's docket indicates that he's filed motions to incur additional costs in connection with hiring a private investigator and "mitigation specialist," presumably to fight the death penalty. The court appears to have granted both motions. Possible that he's cooperating despite all this?
 
For some reason I don't think this is the case, but sometimes hygienists are contracted and not employed by the actual office.

Defendpasadena said:
Please help me with this:

What do we really know about KM's "work" in As' dental office?

If you go to their website, you will notice it is really elaborate, with a detailed roster of its staff, including the clerical assistant staff. The website has been so elaborate for many years, including well before and through 2014. (Use the Wayback machine and click around for all of the previous years.) You will notice that the staff page never contains KM's name.

Now there are only a few possibilities: One, that she was such a temp so that she was never featured on the website, or she was featured briefly and taken down, during a short gap so it was missed by the Wayback machine. The other possibility, I think, is more nefarious: that her "work" was a money laundering front. Of course, it's possible that her "work" was so minor so is to not feature her on the website, but this seems implausible given that there are other assistance and clerical staff his names are listed.

I have tried to Google the news stories talking about her work at the dental office. And even though this fact is mentioned all over the place, I can't see anything noting additional information about, eg, when exactly she worked, how long she worked there, in what capacity she worked there, etc.
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How much would a murder for hire cost? Many times more than any employee would be paid, I think. Perhaps the funds were transferred in other ways, certain expensive procedures hidden from the official books and given in cash, but it is hard to perpetuate fraud in an office where other employees keep track of billing - certainly CA wouldn't be directly involved with the accounts, nor does DA sem to handle payments. Also, they'd have an accountant, etc, checking the books.

I think it'd be much safer if the money came from private bank accounts or other types of expenditures. For eg, what if the boob job never happened and was a way to launder money through a friend, who just gave the cash to KM?
 
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