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Since Rashbaum is familiar with the case and (I would assume) has already reviewed and catalogued the evidence, I think it might be less expensive for DA to retain him as her lawyer and then hire a local co-counsel. I know the Adelson's are wealthy, but Charlie's trial had to take a lot out of the family coiffures. Might not be any defense $$$ left by the time they get to Harvey and Wendi.
 
IQuestion said:
Great summary STAMPLEWIE!
...am attaching link to video. (She looks stronger than ever.)
www.courttv.com

Donna Adelson Speaks in Court

Donna Adelson testifies that her defense attorney, Daniel Rashbaum, will not present a conflict of interest for her.
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Conflict one: DR already defended CA?
Conflict two: DR can not be atty and witness in same trial?
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Surprisingly, conflict two (which is arguably not waivable) which could impugn Rashbaum (if he encouraged DA to leave the jurisdiction) was not even mentioned in this article explaining Judge Everetts examination of Donna.

floridapolitics.com

‘Waivable conflicts’ take center stage in Donna Adelson’s first case management hearing for Dan Markel’s murder

The judge wanted Donna to be clear about the potential for conflicts in having shared a lawyer with her son.
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amicuscurie said:
Right. In my opinion they need to sort this out now. Also, i haven’t seen anyone raise the possibility that Dan might move to exclude the hot mic call, on the grounds that Donna did not know she was being recorded, and Florida requires both parties on a recorded call to consent. Not saying it would work, but he could try. The call wouldn’t come in, so he wouldn’t be able to be called as a witness about it.
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The argument I can see against this would turn in the fact that she accepted the call from the jail, which has a disclaimer that you are being recorded. It's not the jail's fault she didn't hang up properly.

MOO
 
amicuscurie said:
Right. In my opinion they need to sort this out now. Also, i haven’t seen anyone raise the possibility that Dan might move to exclude the hot mic call, on the grounds that Donna did not know she was being recorded, and Florida requires both parties on a recorded call to consent. Not saying it would work, but he could try. The call wouldn’t come in, so he wouldn’t be able to be called as a witness about it.
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It was a key part of the PCA for her arrest. I really doubt it will work plus what IAMShadow just posted, I think it's classed as public comms, which is why they were able to be FOIA'd too and we got to hear them

ETA - there was probably a legal commentary / show on this aspect the day that those jail calls were made public. Might be easy to find by matching the dates. I bet there was an answer to your very question
 
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I'm not an expert but I think just knowledge that you are a suspect (unindicted co-conspirator) could be enough to support the argument that flight is evidence of consciousness of guilt. Plus, I think Donna was talking about non-extradition countries. I think those things could lead to "flight" being relevant and DR being a possible witness. JMO.
 
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amicuscurie said:
I think this makes sense. BUT, the state did wait to introduce the text to Dan, and they did wait to introduce a lot of Donna’s texts. It seems to me like you could have made a similar argument six months ago regarding why the state had not yet arrested Donna, and whether they felt they had enough to do so. Arguably, however, they might not have intended to arrest Donna and the flight might have forced their hand. So, who knows? We have to wait and see.
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I do believe they should have made a move on Donna much sooner which is why I made the statement that I’d lose all respect for the DOA if they have move evidence on Wendi that is strong enough to remove all reasonable doubt.
 
IQuestion said:
I remember the case of an American killed in Bali. And the cousin of the killer (over 8,000 miles away at the time) was convicted of "encouraging a murder" and sentenced to 9 years in prison, in the United States. Apparently there is a special Federal law in regards to killing an American abroad. DM was a Canadian citizen right? I wonder if Canada also has a far reaching similar law? Ugh I really messed up this post...I know there are never "identical circumstances" but/and this could be an interesting stretch at best?
www.justice.gov

Chicago Man Sentenced to 9 Years in Prison for Conspiring to Murder U.S. Citizen in Bali, Indonesia

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Hello and Welcome GOINGROGUE!!
*** WA was also very interested in JL's travel plans. WA couldn't provide a straight forward answer for the last time she saw DM,. ...Talked in circles for minutes. But when Det. Isom asked when she broke up with JL she instantly replies, "Monday night after yoga." At what point does someone scream "enough of the coincidences!" Uh...just needed to get that off my chest... I'll back out of the room now...anyone need coffee?
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And that wasn’t event the truth, that she broke up with him after Yoga because she spoke to him Tuesday when she suggested she was locked out of her house. That wasn’t mentioned at the last trial.
 
KariKae said:
Since Rashbaum is familiar with the case and (I would assume) has already reviewed and catalogued the evidence, I think it might be less expensive for DA to retain him as her lawyer and then hire a local co-counsel. I know the Adelson's are wealthy, but Charlie's trial had to take a lot out of the family coiffures. Might not be any defense $$$ left by the time they get to Harvey and Wendi.
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Indeed the money runs low quickly when no one is bringing home the bacon! I could care less if the A's can afford for a private defense or not but that's me.

The sweet taste of karma is that Donna wanted Dan dead so her little sunshines would move away from Tallahassee, then they would live with or near her and the other A's in South FL. However, the irony as we sit here today is that Donna ends up being the one living incarcerated in Tallahassee. B has been living free of charges for nearly a decade.
The total number of days between Sat, July 19th, 2014 and Mon, January 22nd, 2024 is 3,474 days. This is equal to 9 years, 6 months, and 3 days.
 
Knitpicker said:
And that wasn’t event the truth, that she broke up with him after Yoga because she spoke to him Tuesday when she suggested she was locked out of her house. That wasn’t mentioned at the last trial.
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Based on the testimony of both Wendi and Lacasse, there didn’t appear to be a hard ‘break-up’ date – the email Wendi sent after the ‘awkward’ yoga session was a one-week ‘no contact’ request. Obviously if Wendi had knowledge or was directly involved, the ‘no contact’ email was essentially Wendi ending of the relationship and I understand why its viewed as the ‘break-up’.
 
cottonweaver said:
He's claiming he was her attorney at that stage. Too late to edit
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He's been the family attorney for 7 years, helping with their financial legal issues. But wouldn't there need to be some signed document and contract that states DR is now representing DA in regards to the murder of DM? He's trying to imply she had engaged him before any charges had been laid.
 
What an incredible change in DA we saw today. Perhaps she is so relieved to not be waiting to be arrested that she can actually listen to good sense, and act upon such. She's not falling apart, she's getting stronger. I can hardly believe the change, in such a short time and under these circumstances.
 
minusfour said:
What an incredible change in DA we saw today. Perhaps she is so relieved to not be waiting to be arrested that she can actually listen to good sense, and act upon such. She's not falling apart, she's getting stronger. I can hardly believe the change, in such a short time and under these circumstances.
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I think Rashbaum has simply told her to sit there and STFU.
 
minusfour said:
What an incredible change in DA we saw today. Perhaps she is so relieved to not be waiting to be arrested that she can actually listen to good sense, and act upon such. She's not falling apart, she's getting stronger. I can hardly believe the change, in such a short time and under these circumstances.
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' Wendi! You need to give the performance of your life'

( an old Donna e mail)
 
Going Rogue said:
Based on the testimony of both Wendi and Lacasse, there didn’t appear to be a hard ‘break-up’ date – the email Wendi sent after the ‘awkward’ yoga session was a one-week ‘no contact’ request. Obviously if Wendi had knowledge or was directly involved, the ‘no contact’ email was essentially Wendi ending of the relationship and I understand why its viewed as the ‘break-up’.
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I think LaCasse has gotten his dates messed up at various points. I thought at one point he said the lockout was the same day as the yoga? I remember he said she was friendly earlier In the day when she called him about the lockout, but then her demeanor had changed completely later at the yoga class and he wondered what had happened or who she had spoken to in the interim. Then, he got the no contact email after the yoga class and that was the last time he heard from her before the murder.
 
Zedzded said:
He's been the family attorney for 7 years, helping with their financial legal issues. But wouldn't there need to be some signed document and contract that states DR is now representing DA in regards to the murder of DM? He's trying to imply she had engaged him before any charges had been laid.
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Yes, maybe maybe he's claiming that he'd never dropped DA & HA so the overlaps on 6th Nov do not matter, in his version?

IIRC Yes but he wasn't the family lawyer as such, he repped the unindicted co-conspirator Donna and her husband, then was, years later hired by the indicted Charlie. Never Wendi.

Stamplewie has provided a link on this page which summarises who repped who & when
(Just to add that on one of the jail calls, Charlie refers to the old plan of Markus defending him at trial but his explanation of why that fell through might not be accurate. Legal experts already said at that time in 2022, it's not wise to have Rashbaum move over to defend Charlie

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Anyway, there's a theme developing about him being almost a member of the family. So enmeshed, no boundaries, mommy issues etc etc.

I tend to think, it might be simpler, they retained and stuck with the guy because he's like them - imprudent and highly dubious imo. ( As well as the obvious point that he's now an expert in their bogus blackmail theories) The shoe fits. very comfortable fit.

At the time any of them first hired Rash, they had a ton of alternative specialist choices. ' 1,329 lawyers specializing in Criminal Defense are available in the Miami, FL area'
 
Going Rogue said:
Based on the testimony of both Wendi and Lacasse, there didn’t appear to be a hard ‘break-up’ date – the email Wendi sent after the ‘awkward’ yoga session was a one-week ‘no contact’ request. Obviously if Wendi had knowledge or was directly involved, the ‘no contact’ email was essentially Wendi ending of the relationship and I understand why its viewed as the ‘break-up’.
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Right.
Jeffrey was even surprised that he didn’t hear from Wendi after the murder.
He mentioned that she called her other friends to Isom. But not him.
So if they were broken up he would not have expected any call.

So why did she call him twice in August?
The state has not brought that up at trial.
To plant the “celebration dinner” evidence?

Which brings me to the subject of the new Murder by Maestro (I don’t know what YT channels are allowed to be mentioned here),video on Whatsapp posted last night. Very interesting. I wonder if 10 years ago info was able to be gathered as it is today.
 
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