I think the point that was being made was that you do not see white men following white kids and shooting them claiming self defense or white men shooting and killing white kids over loud music and claiming self defense.
Of course there are a lot of self defense cases that are very valid and they vary from race, age, social status, gender etc... There are also very clear cases where SYG is being used when it does not apply that vary as well.
What makes the two cases that are mentioned in this thread unique is the circumstances in which these two young boys were killed. Both boys were the ones confronted by their shooter in a threatening/angry manner by complete strangers who had no right to say two words to them as they were not hurting anyone or committing any crime. Unless we are to believe that violating a city ordinance on loud music deserves the death penalty in this case?
It will be interesting to see what happens in this case. I am very happy that Mr. Dunn has not been given bond because his actions directly after the shooting and the days after. He is most definitely a flight risk.
BBM
What she said.
I will agree that black teens are far more likely to kill other black teens for various and totally uncalled for reasons than for cases like these to happen, but I do not believe that is the point you are making? Just so I am understanding this correctly, you are saying that black teens kill middle-aged-white-men far, far more often and claim self defense afterwards?
This isn't aimed at you Lola it's just an observation of society in general. Like it or not there is a lot more racism in this country than anyone wants to admit. Most of it is whites on other races. JMO
For instance the confederate flag is the pride of the south to many people there, except blacks. To them it's the same as a Nazi flag. If it's brought up that it's an offensive symbol there's an outcry of southerners who support it. They have no clue how offensive it is to blacks, and they don't care to know. JMO
Lola do you really think this guy just opened fire and shot at these poor youths over loud music? Do you think he decided "Hey, some black youths in a car, I feel like killing one of them for no particular reason other than the fact I hate them and their music is too loud!"
I think something happened, threats were made, things escalated. I think maybe there was a weapon but if there was it won't be found, LE won't look all that hard for the weapon and the media won't report on any criminal records of the others in that car.
I also think based on what little info we have so far the guy is going to do some time for this.
I think the guy was drunk from the wedding, probably an :censored: when sober and a major :censored: when drunk. He didn't call the police immediately afterwords because he was drunk.
He skipped town when he sobered up and realized he'd killed someone without a good reason. JMO
Chances are pretty darn good some of the youths in that car had a criminal record that involved violence and or weapons. The defense attorney will sort that out. The shooter won't get off scott free though. He messed up.
Why are those chances good?
My question exactly too.
It depends on what we learn of Mr. Dunn as a person and about these teens as people? I don't know what Mr. Dunn's past is? Does he have a history of violence? Was alcohol involved? People go off the handle all the time for any amount of reasons? Was he fighting with his girlfriend? Was he already angry about something?
Of course I believe that words were exchanged. I would exchange words with someone who yelled at me in any way and I am a 33-year-old woman! Do I believe the teens had a gun? Not right now. I can not find any logical reason why Mr. Dunn would not call police, even after fleeing to a safer location if these teens had a gun??
But, like you said, we have very little information and there is a reason why a judge has decided that Mr. Dunn is to have no bond? Reasons we may not know about yet?
This is what we know so far, from media reports;
The guy was mad because the kids were playing their music too loud.
A kid was shot and killed by the man.
The man never went to the police to report the shooting.
The man left town as soon as he learned that he had killed someone.
The lawyer says that the kids had a sawed off shotgun.
The police never found a shotgun.
The lawyer is questioning whether the police searched the entire car.
Everything the guy did points to guilt a lot. IMO
Everything the lawyer is saying is stuff that sounds like pathetic excuse making for somebody without a fully thought out plausible story yet.