GUILTY FL - Lonzie Barton, 2, Jacksonville, 24 July 2015 - #4

[psyquestor]

JMO but I'm not getting the feeling that Lonzie was dead prior to WRE being seen by JF around 5pm. I think that the 5pm sighting was just a test-run for later that night. If Lonzie was already dead, why wait until 2am to say the car was stolen? Mom was gone after 8:30pm so plenty of time to get rid of a body and still call in a carjacking before 2am. I feel the timeline more supports that Lonzie was killed some time between Mom going to work and WRE getting gas. As far as we know, Lonna saw Lonzie at 8pm and the police haven't denied this. I feel like if they thought she was lying about seeing him she wouldn't be free right now.

Does anyone know if there was prior conflicts between CB and WRE? Just wondering if WRE planned on killing Lonzie to get back at CB because of some prior beef, real or imagined. That sounds horrible, but we've seen what kind of person WRE is.

Another possible motive is that WRE did not like LB continuing to dance at the gentlemen's club. Jealousy, anger...the gamut. She had not been working there that long and perhaps he thought she would quit if he could make money (the job he lost not long before).

His history indicates that he has a low regard for women; perhaps even considering them his property; the domestic violence and rape allegations speak to this point. If true, he wouldn't take kindly to other men ogling or touching his "property."

I think he didn't want her to dance that night and he took his anger out on the wrong person. JMOO - no facts here.

 

[Karinna]

At what point in time are things considered premeditated for murder charge purposes? Everyone and media site comments without a doubt believe maybe the baby accidentally od'd on their drugs or something. In my opinion I find this unlikely just due to the fact his car was there running the night before, like a practice run. Leaving his car there the night before to "do a test run" would rule out the baby od'd and this was premeditated. UNLESS the baby was perhaps already dead the night before and the story was concocted and tested and going to be put in place the next day?

I think RE has a tentative arraignment coming up on the 17th. from what i have read. I think that will be when they read the charging documents? So if that's the case we will know more then about what the charges against him are going to be.
There would have to be some pretty solid evidence to charge with premeditated murder i would think, and we don't know yet what evidence LE have.
Lonzie could of died earlier unless there is evidence of an independent sighting of him on the evening before he was reported missing. Maybe there is video of him at the laundromat, before his mother went to work at Whacko's? But i don't recall anything about that in MSM?

 

[brighidin]

At what point in time are things considered premeditated for murder charge purposes? Everyone and media site comments without a doubt believe maybe the baby accidentally od'd on their drugs or something. In my opinion I find this unlikely just due to the fact his car was there running the night before, like a practice run. Leaving his car there the night before to "do a test run" would rule out the baby od'd and this was premeditated. UNLESS the baby was perhaps already dead the night before and the story was concocted and tested and going to be put in place the next day?

WRE hasn't been charged with any related to Lonzie's disappearance, so I think it is premature to wonder about premeditation and murder charges. Of course, that could change any time.

His car wasn't found running there the night before. a guy named Fleming saw the car parked there early Thursday evening... he has also been reported as saying his son didn't see the car around 10:30 Thursday night. Lonzie was reported missing Friday around 2:15 AM. The car was found 20 minutes later, still running.

Fleming recently told the media that the police said WRE might have been doing a test run re: his early evening sighting of the car. That has not been verified by JSO - it is basically a potential witness telling what he saw and what a police officer allegedly told him. How this translated into a definite test run that more than one person knew about is beyond me.


IMO
JMO

Another possible motive is that WRE did not like LB continuing to dance at the gentlemen's club. Jealousy, anger...the gamut. She had not been working there that long and perhaps he thought she would quit if he could make money (the job he lost not long before).

His history indicates that he has a low regard for women; perhaps even considering them his property; the domestic violence and rape allegations speak to this point. If true, he wouldn't take kindly to other men ogling or touching his "property."

I think he didn't want her to dance that night and he took his anger out on the wrong person. JMOO - no facts here.

He said in his last interview that he didn't want her to work. I think it is because he had to look after her kids, not because he was jealous. Agreed that he took it out on the wrong person.

 

[AJsmimi]

He said in his last interview that he didn't want her to work.

The only issue I have with this is that it came from WRE. He hasn't stated one fact yet.

 

[Skully]

WRE hasn't been charged with any related to Lonzie's disappearance, so I think it is premature to wonder about premeditation and murder charges. Of course, that could change any time.

His car wasn't found running there the night before. a guy named Fleming saw the car parked there early Thursday evening... he has also been reported as saying his son didn't see the car around 10:30 Thursday night. Lonzie was reported missing Friday around 2:15 AM. The car was found 20 minutes later, still running.

Fleming recently told the media that the police said WRE might have been doing a test run re: his early evening sighting of the car. That has not been verified by JSO - it is basically a potential witness telling what he saw and what a police officer allegedly told him. How this translated into a definite test run that more than one person knew about is beyond me.


IMO
JMO





He said in his last interview that he didn't want her to work. I think it is because he had to look after her kids, not because he was jealous. Agreed that he took it out on the wrong person.

So he didn't want her to work, or he didn't like where she worked? We have to ask that question given he hasn't told the truth yet about anything he has said. Well, most of what he said, where he lived, I think that was the truth.

 

[atthelake]

Interesting. I hadn't thought of that. IF Lonzie's mother was involved and it was an accident, I could definitely see his body being nearby. But if it's just WRE....I don't see it. He's probably pretty heartless.

Filling up the car leaves my hinky meter going off .

To cover up the distance travelled that she / others may notice there was a full tank for earlier and now it is half empty? Hope they know previous fillups like with Jodi case .

Leaving the car running makes me think of Caylee case. When I saw that Casey left the car at the check cashing place my first. I thought that time she left car was so someone else would steal it and then and be the culprit /suspect as she knew there was a dead body in the car at one time.

Thinking now .. :dunno:

 

[Skully]

Another thought occurred to me, I wonder if any of Lonzie's blankets or small toys are missing? I think he was in a diaper, but it could be that he was wrapped in blanket and maybe a small toy would be with him. I do think it all went into a plastic garbage bag, and dumped in the end, but wonder if anyone noticed anything of his missing?

 

[Kamille]

He said in his last interview that he didn't want her to work.

The only issue I have with this is that it came from WRE. He hasn't stated one fact yet.

Not to mention he seems to like to frequent these places. I'll bet he loved the fact she was a dancer. I wonder if his ex was too?

MOO

 

[brighidin]

Not to mention he seems to like to frequent these places. I'll bet he loved the fact she was a dancer. I wonder if his ex was too?

MOO

Yes he did apparently like to frequent these places. Which goes to my point that he probably said he didn't want her to work that night not because he's a kind and caring person (as some people want the public to believe), but because he didn't want to babysit. He probably wanted to be there too.

 

[brighidin]

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/n...e-barton-sends-message-ruben-ebron-fac/nnCtY/
Pretty sure this was posted yesterday, but man, I feel bad for Lonzie's Dad.

 

[kristinaT]

praying for some sort of resolution soon. lease:

 

[cvaldez1975]

i think he raped his ex gf (children's mom)

where did you read his ex gf sister was the room mate's gf?

Didn't know the last part. Dang.
Well, that helps me to understand who Hackney is talking to in his press briefings.

 

[psyquestor]

Just because you frequent gentlemen's clubs or try to date the dancers, doesn't mean you want your gf to continue dancing once you're a "couple." My dh has dated dancers and so has my brother. What looks good in prospect is not always ideal in retrospect. Neither liked the girls being on stage once they were in a relationship. Why? Because they knew full well the amount of attention that customers would give them, in order to win them over.

FWIW, MOO

 

[atthelake]

At what point in time are things considered premeditated for murder charge purposes? Everyone and media site comments without a doubt believe maybe the baby accidentally od'd on their drugs or something. In my opinion I find this unlikely just due to the fact his car was there running the night before, like a practice run. Leaving his car there the night before to "do a test run" would rule out the baby od'd and this was premeditated. UNLESS the baby was perhaps already dead the night before and the story was concocted and tested and going to be put in place the next day?

In my thinking it was not the day before for those involved as to reference. Some folks stay up very late at night so for them it is the same day. It was a continuation of the same day for these folks until 2:30 a.m.

 

[cvaldez1975]

this occurred to me....

she has been working there 3 months... that puts it at april. did she and her hubs break up april or may? im thinking she met WRE at the club?

http://www.mapquest.ca/#daf06cf5248e86c821d5aae5

--from Wacko's at 3701 emerson street----to the Ravenwood ap. at 8030 south Old King's Road:

--approx. 5 miles

--takes approx. 8 or 9 minutes, depending on the route driven.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/n...onzies-mom-was-working-time-his-disapp/nm6Sf/


The manager of Wacko’s Bar and Grill said Lauramore has worked at the gentlemen’s club on Emerson Street for the last three months. He said she was working there last night.A flyer with Lonzie's face on it hangs from the establishment’s front door asking for help finding the 21-month-old.The manager said Lauramore ended her shift at Wacko’s around 2:30 a.m. That's the same time JSO said they got the call from her boyfriend William Ebron about a stolen car and Lonzie's abduction. -

 

[brighidin]

i think he raped his ex gf (children's mom)

where did you read his ex gf sister was the room mate's gf?

I didn't read it anywhere except the post above mine. You should ask the person I quoted, not me.

 

[Kamille]

Just because you frequent gentlemen's clubs or try to date the dancers, doesn't mean you want your gf to continue dancing once you're a "couple." My dh has dated dancers and so has my brother. What looks good in prospect is not always ideal in retrospect. Neither liked the girls being on stage once they were in a relationship. Why? Because they knew full well the amount of attention that customers would give them, in order to win them over.

FWIW, MOO

That's a little vague for me too. Did she "continue" to dance or did he get her the job? Was she a dancer while married to CB? Before she was married to CB? How did she meet WRE while married to CB? In a club?

I don't think he had a problem with her dancing. I think he had a problem with her leaving the kids with him. Since he was an unemployed welder and she needed to go out and make the money, he was effectively becoming a house husband I guess. I don't suppose that sat well with him. I also don't think he spent the time reading bedtime stories and toilet training as his father would like you to believe.

MOO

 

[matou]

So Lonzie and his family was dependent on Ruben to drive them everywhere in a car that needed to be "switched on" all the time? That's lots of trips to make with kids in tow. Good for drive-thru though. JMO

 

[cvaldez1975]

i suspect she does other work too.

IMOHO Lonna usually found "other" ways to get home. No I can't prove that in the least.
I strongly suspect it. No matter what Ebron may say, including his classic "I didn't want her to work that night", I believe it was an understanding between the 2 of them.
Also I think he called/spoke w/her more than once that nite/morning and LE know this from his "smart" phone. Probably about her "business" since she (according to him) went to work because they needed money.
They are building a case of murder against this man. They are saying anyone else involved or with-holding info will be locked up.
The reward is still there for anyone except WRE to collect. Seems to me someone wants that money. Anyone hip to what goes on when most of us are asleep would realize how much people want $. Enough to do the things they do already.
Come on whomever, stand up, come forward and distance yourself as far as possible to avoid charges, and collect this money. Without going to jail.
Isn't that the rule of this game?
If I were involved in any way, I would be bluffed enough by Hackney when he laid one card of his hand down.
What kind of an arrogant self-righteous person really thinks they can go on forever bluffing LE? I have to wonder exactly what evidence/info WRE is sitting on in regards to other/s principals in this case.
Any Indian lands involved in casinos in Jacksonville? Hard to search a reservation w/out a federal search warrant.
jmho

 

[MouserD]

So Lonzie and his family was dependent on Ruben to drive them everywhere in a car that needed to be "switched on" all the time? That's lots of trips to make with kids in tow. Good for drive-thru though. JMO

He Jury rigged that car so it couldn't be hot wired.....he thought he has him some nice tricked out car....what he had was a piece of crap and looked like that too.