FL - Manhunt in Tampa after 4 slayings in 5 weeks, Oct-Nov 2017 #2 *Arrest*

[Barbie619]

Re: the DC snipers, this guy here doesn't even snipe, right? There is no snipering/sniping. Those guys were more, um, stretegic?, had a hole in the trunk bla bla, fired from further distances, I don't consider this guy to have much in common with them except the common desire to kill. Repeatedly.

He just pops off rounds at close range. Jmo.
Again, hate to sound like a broken record, punk gangster, moo.
Maybe his gangster buddies (if there are any) don't even know he's doing this?

I think of the DC Sniper's not because of the way they were committing the crimes but the reason behind why they were committing their crimes. Or this particular monster is just out having fun murderering people.

 

[Lauranyc83]

O/T kinda-
I saw this image on a news site here in NYC. At first I thought it was an article about the serial killer, until I realized it was about an attempted rape. The guy wanted seems to be wearing similar clothing as serial killer. Not saying it's the same person, but weird how they all seem to be wearing similar clothing.



http://pix11.com/2017/11/22/woman-f...st-in-brooklyn-after-he-pushes-her-to-ground/

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[x_files]

O/T kinda-
I saw this image on a news site here in NYC. At first I thought it was an article about the serial killer, until I realized it was about an attempted rape. The guy wanted seems to be wearing similar clothing as serial killer. Not saying it's the same person, but weird how they all seem to be wearing similar clothing.



http://pix11.com/2017/11/22/woman-f...st-in-brooklyn-after-he-pushes-her-to-ground/

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It's NOT that weird. They want to conceal their face, hence a lightweight hoodie or rain-jacket, and wear a knit cap underneath.

 

[x_files]

Curious if he will strike again tonight.
Is he a family man with responsibilities? Thanksgiving Dinner, extended family visiting or left town to be with family or are we dealing with a complete loner?
If alone I think he will be out and about today.

 

[tampasleuther]

Why does the gay angle keep coming up? Where has it been confirmed that any victims were gay? Can someone share a credible source for that? Sounds like an unverified rumor.

He shoots from a distance then shoots up close. Or that is what happened with the last victim. In one of the FB groups a resident said she heard the gunshots, the last two were muffled. When she told an officer about it, he said he had the gun pressed to the victim for the last two shots which is why it sounded different. Sounds like he shoots but doesn’t kill from a distance then gets closer for the kill. To me this says experienced shooter if he is hitting them from afar and then not afraid to get so close.

At some level the dress IMO feels more like a dancer or arty type attire as opposed to terror

or cross dressing stuff

I dont understand how the gay angle is avoided by LE -- that sounds more like following someone from a gay club or using an app than random


Does anyone know a concrete reason why they have ruled out the earlier hate crimes in the area?


I keep thinking he she is not good with guns as opposed to overkill

if he wanted that he might use a knife -- and he is getting up pretty close and would have a noise factor

plus the fact that he needs to get so close makes me think he is novice gun user moo




i just had a chilling thought -- if he she break out and does a daylight killing SH is gonna be so scared.......

 

[tampasleuther]

I agree. My hunch is he knew the female victim since her body was treated differently than the male victims. Does hiding the body have significant meaning?

I too believe this has hints of the DC sniper's. Out there killing random people in order to cover up a killing of someone that's a problem in his life.

This doesn't scream 'gang initiation' or 'gang related,' however that doesn't mean it shouldn't be examined as a possible gang related.

 

[angrysquish]

Why does the gay angle keep coming up? Where has it been confirmed that any victims were gay? Can someone share a credible source for that? Sounds like an unverified rumor.

He shoots from a distance then shoots up close. Or that is what happened with the last victim. In one of the FB groups a resident said she heard the gunshots, the last two were muffled. When she told an officer about it, he said he had the gun pressed to the victim for the last two shots which is why it sounded different. Sounds like he shoots but doesn’t kill from a distance then gets closer for the kill. To me this says experienced shooter if he is hitting them from afar and then not afraid to get so close.

Anthony Naiboa and Monica Hoffa were both out of the closet. There's a Creative Loafing article about Monica Hoffa and how she and her mom were both lesbians. Anthony Naiboa was out on his Facebook page.

ETA: https://www.cltampa.com/news-views/...s-straight-children-vice-versa-and-in-between


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[x_files]

I agree. My hunch is he knew the female victim since her body was treated differently than the male victims. Does hiding the body have significant meaning?

He may have recognized or knew her.
Hiding, burying the body can mean shame.
But that's NOT always the case. Bundy and The Green River Killer buried victims to conceal them.

 

[tampasleuther]

Hmm. I saw that Monica was in a relationship with a man per her Facebook page.

Anthony Naiboa and Monica Hoffa were both out of the closet. There's a Creative Loafing article about Monica Hoffa and how she and her mom were both lesbians. Anthony Naiboa was out on his Facebook page.

ETA: https://www.cltampa.com/news-views/...s-straight-children-vice-versa-and-in-between


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[angrysquish]

Hmm. I saw that Monica was in a relationship with a man per her Facebook page.

She was but she identified as a lesbian in the past. Doesn't mean she didn't still identify as LGBT because she was dating a man.


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[Lauranyc83]

Hmm. I saw that Monica was in a relationship with a man per her Facebook page.

Saw that as well.

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[JaneEyre]

Hmm. I saw that Monica was in a relationship with a man per her Facebook page.

Her obituary even mentioned this man as her significant other. http://m.legacy.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=Monica-Hoffa&lc=4627&pid=186975533&mid=7602447

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[angrysquish]

Her obituary even mentioned this man as her significant other. http://m.legacy.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=Monica-Hoffa&lc=4627&pid=186975533&mid=7602447

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No one is disputing that she was dating a man when she passed away. She did identify as a lesbian at some point. It happens. I was married to a woman for 10 years and now I'm married to a man. My ex wife identifies as a lesbian but briefly dated a man after me. Sexuality is a funny thing.


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[tampasleuther]

Oh yeah of course. I’m just doubting the significance of it. Naiboa really seems like a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, not someone targeted for any reason other than he presented the opportunity.

Edited to add: The common thread is they were all in the same area and alone in the dark.

She was but she identified as a lesbian in the past. Doesn't mean she didn't still identify as LGBT because she was dating a man.


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[JaneEyre]

Oh yeah of course. I’m just doubting the significance of it. Naiboa really seems like a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, not someone targeted for any reason other than he presented the opportunity.

Agree.

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[JaneEyre]

I was under the impression that two of the male victims identified as gay.

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[angrysquish]

I was under the impression that two of the male victims identified as gay.

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There was a gay man, Dontae Lampkins, who was killed back in January. He was shot in an alley in the same neighborhood and was last seen getting off a bus. The police say it's not connected but some people disagree. That may be what you're thinking of.


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[ATasteOfHoney]

I believe LE has already dismissed that--as well as the "terrorist" motive.

I believe he does it because he enjoys the atmosphere of anxiety he has created. The question is WHAT made him snap?

Moo.

IMHO, he does it to gain “street cred”, to prove he’s a bad-*advertiser censored** amongst his gangsta brothers. He knows he is a failure and a loser. He really doesn’t fit in. He can’t keep a girlfriend & cant garner a career.
So this is his chance at fame, accomplishment & ego.

This is this ugly monster’s only way to gain a sense of importance and attention.

 

[JaneEyre]

I was under the impression that two of the male victims identified as gay.

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And I don't know where I got that, because Mitchell had a girlfriend, too. I don't know how this got in my head. Maybe just repeated suggestions in this thread.

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[neotec]

Ben Mitchell had a girl that he was "talking to" , she was not his girlfriend.

Something that jumped out at me in the first 3 murders is that all of them had an unexpected last minute change in plans.

BM got off bus, stuck his head in door and told aunt he was headed right back out to escort the girl he liked all the way from ikea home (aunt commented that it was a long way to escort someone)

MH was supposed to be waiting for her friend to pick her up either at her house or near her house... if it was near and not at, another question is why not pick her up at front door

AN took wrong bus and could have hopped on another bus instead of walking but for some reason chose to walk.
*everyone keeps sayig he accidently took the wrong bus bc of his autism but what if he was just heading somewhere he didn't want his stepmom or dad to know about...
All kids lie to their parents at some point

And finally DL unexpectedly ended up in Seminole heights possibly bc of plenty o fish according to LE. He had told his sister he was going to dr and going home yet got off on Hillsborough near nebraska ave...maybe he didnt want his sister to know he was meeting someone and lied or perhaps it was a last minute arrangement

DL isnt connected according to LE but they seem to be basing the first 4 murders on a hunch and not ballistics so Im gonna be bold and say my hunch is DL is connected
Just my opinion of course

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