FL - Michelle Mishcon, 53, & John Stevens, 59, murdered, Tequesta, 15 Aug 2016 - #1

[Curious Me]

[video=youtube;KG-Y5vlVIl8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG-Y5vlVIl8"]www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG-Y5vlVIl8[/video]

If anyone is interested, the sheriff talks about the fluids recovered at the crime scene in this 16 minute press conference (at about the 8:30 mark).

Thank You again. There's a great deal of initial info in this video. The blood found on the sidewalk at another location is discussed at the 6:23 mark, and it doesn't sound like it came from him, IMO, or someone that continued to walk towards the murder scene.

 

[flourish]

Ugh I just went to groceries and got nauseous looking at the cooking oil. Blech. This is one of those stories you kinda wish you never read.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Here's a second case the media is linking to the AH case, which in this case the friend of the suspect told LE what drugs the suspect was on (methylone and acid) and helped them seize drugs from the suspect's place, which the suspect in that case is also 19 and showed extreme strength and pain tolerance as well as being violent:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...b21e-391542321.html+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[Curious Me]

LE tried to disengage AH from his victim, but it was described in the Presser video as AH being intertwined in some twisted way that might be a wrestling hold. Apparently, they tried various ways to break his lock on the victim, and they did kick him in the head at one point, probably to stop him from biting the victim. He was a wrestler and all his training added to knowing how to keep someone pinned down.

MOO, his father has tried to deny that his son was biting and ripping at the victim, but those officers know what they saw and autopsies tell the story.

Understandably, due to HIPPA, LE can't go blabbing medical info about the caustic fluid just yet, but sounds like AH vomited and had drank something sickening. I think vomiting up caustic fluid creates more damage. What was it? When did he drink it within the sequence of events? Have to wait...:waiting:

 

[Curious Me]

Here's a second case the media is linking to the AH case, which in this case the friend of the suspect told LE what drugs the suspect was on (methylone and acid) and helped them seize drugs from the suspect's place, which the suspect in that case is also 19 and showed extreme strength and pain tolerance as well as being violent:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...b21e-391542321.html+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Thank You. That's certainly a dangerous drug combination to take a chance on. A stranger's house...I starting to feel unsafe...even if I'm staying home and minding my own business a crazed out on drugs person could get me.

"A 19-year-old man on drugs jumped through a plate-glass window of a stranger's house and ended up hospitalized in critical stable condition early Sunday, according to the Martin County Sheriff's Office."

Methylone is a completely new drug to most people. It is being referred to as one of the “second generation” of the new synthetic drugs that have been hitting the illicit market in the last several years. Methylone and similar drugs are also referred to as “designer drugs”.....................

.......Methylone is fairly new to the market but already, dangerous signs and symptoms are associated with its use. Methylone is a cathinone, a class of synthetic drug that mimics the chemistry of an intoxicating plant called khat. Mixed or single cathinones are often the components of the drug referred to as bath salts.

http://www.narconon.org/drug-abuse/methylone-signs-symptoms.html

 

[Jax49]

Here's a second case the media is linking to the AH case, which in this case the friend of the suspect told LE what drugs the suspect was on (methylone and acid) and helped them seize drugs from the suspect's place, which the suspect in that case is also 19 and showed extreme strength and pain tolerance as well as being violent:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...b21e-391542321.html+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Thank you for posting that. There is an updated version available now.

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/crime/ma...s-home-in-martin-county--3b21e-391542321.html

 

[Curious Me]

Well, that's not what I call euphoria. Today's designer drugs are much worse than just a bad LSD trip.

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/crime/ma...s-home-in-martin-county--3b21e-391542321.html

"Around 2:44 a.m. a woman in a neighborhood south of Stuart woke to find a man outside her front window yelling, "Sorry, I am going to die. I am going to die,"...........................

..............."According to Snyder, Flakka is a form of methylone and all are forms of bath salts: synthetic drugs that cause varying reactions, depending on the uses. All are illegal narcotics and are made to mimic MDMA, a long-banned nightclub drug that originated in Europe."

"It is supposed to create euphoria, the sheriff said."

WHAT IS KHAT? I notice one of the main components of making bath salts and some designer drugs mimics the chemistry of the Khat plant. Being Curious Me, I need to know more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khat

It is a controlled substance in some countries, such as Canada, Germany, the United Kingdom, and the United States (de facto), while its production, sale, and consumption are legal in other nations, including Djibouti, Kenya, Ethiopia, Somalia and Yemen.

https://erowid.org/plants/khat/khat.shtml

 

[CARIIS]

Thank You. That's certainly a dangerous drug combination to take a chance on. A stranger's house...I starting to feel unsafe...even if I'm staying home and minding my own business a crazed out on drugs person could get me.

"A 19-year-old man on drugs jumped through a plate-glass window of a stranger's house and ended up hospitalized in critical stable condition early Sunday, according to the Martin County Sheriff's Office."

Funny ....well not really.............! Yesterday cleaning a cabinet of pots Big one I dont use............. decided I would give to neighbor. About 20 minutes later I decided I am not doing that...................walked the huge pot and placed it beside my bed...........

I then actually thought maybe I have been on WS too much lately.................and chuckled aloud......................

it remains bedside........................................

Well, that's not what I call euphoria. Today's designer drugs are much worse than just a bad LSD trip.

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/crime/ma...s-home-in-martin-county--3b21e-391542321.html



WHAT IS KHAT? I notice one of the main components of making bath salts and some designer drugs is from the Khat plant. Being Curious Me, I need to know more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khat



https://erowid.org/plants/khat/khat.shtml

HI Curious!

That is exactly what I was I thinking. I did my share of partying thrity- five years ago....coke big back then.... fun .......had tripped on acid --- it was great fun....laugh and laugh and laugh,,, never ever saw anything......just laugh and laugh and colors were brighter..... lasts a really long time

when I reading about this latest thing with the window I was thinking how can this cr#p be fun --thought I wonder if on You Tube there is a video of what it looks like when one is NOT murdering people, dining on faces, supermaning it through thick windows.

....does not sound like a good time to me........................jeezzz

as an aside ....is there any "feeling" to steroids actually??

Humm.. the wrestling angle was interesting and scary to me -- never thought about that angle....

Ugh I just went to groceries and got nauseous looking at the cooking oil. Blech. This is one of those stories you kinda wish you never read.

it really is haunting.....................Elliot and Batman were like this for me..........Pulse was rage.....

 

[jjenny]

Thank You. That's certainly a dangerous drug combination to take a chance on. A stranger's house...I starting to feel unsafe...even if I'm staying home and minding my own business a crazed out on drugs person could get me.

"A 19-year-old man on drugs jumped through a plate-glass window of a stranger's house and ended up hospitalized in critical stable condition early Sunday, according to the Martin County Sheriff's Office."

At least that one didn't manage to kill anyone. Woman's son fought him and woman hit him with a baseball bat.

 

[CARIIS]

Thank You again. There's a great deal of initial info in this video. The blood found on the sidewalk at another location is discussed at the 6:23 mark, and it doesn't sound like it came from him, IMO, or someone that continued to walk towards the murder scene.

Yes TY. Iiked him much better this presser. It was "comforting" actually - in that it seemed like he is going to work with the media not all this cant comment over and over.

Another thing that struck me was he addressed everything all of us have been pondering -

The blood Inside the car adds another confusing angle - like we need one.........

Our field breathes pt confidentiality and privledged communication. I remain somewhat confused regarding the Hippa angle on this case compared to others.

All the time, when a suspect is injured and in a hosptial ( I cant think of one otherwise actually) what is going on is released. They did it with countless Pulse victims- Batman -- not grasping why this one is so much more guarded?

It muddled the shorts question, cause the good guy clearly stated shorts and t shirt on the call, it also creeped me out that the shorts were "gone" - is that a ebay item now??

Thats just all around gross - I would not pick up a pair of shorts lying on a sidewalk - would you? So it made me think the above???

Boy it really is getting nutsola out there

mess with me your getting (assumming I can lift it up quick enough!) one hell of a pot hit!!

 

[CARIIS]

:waitasec: You found it. Thanks. I was going to bring this up because I remembered seeing that, but couldn't find the article. But then, they started reporting he cut his thumb on the way and there was blood found in front of some other house on the way to the killings. Which is it? I can see getting a thumb wound from the stabbing easier than him almost cutting his thumb off before stabbing someone. But the blood was found elsewhere.

:thinking: Confusing timeline details. Drinking the oil, then drinking the caustic fluid is another mystery. I keep thinking his stomach was bothering him for some reason and he wanted to coat his stomach to calm it down. Well, don't ask me, it's hard to figure out. :dunno:

BBM

Interesting notion Curious ...

It wont cut and paste correclty one of the side effects of bath salts is ulcer

• Nausea and abdominal pain.
• Anorexia.

http://drugabuse.com/library/the-effects-of-bath-salts-use/

effects like:

intentionally misleading warning that these products are "not for human consumption" arose from efforts by the illicit manufacturers and sellers to sidestep drug laws. Other labels for these drugs include:

• "Plant food."
• "Jewelry cleaner."
• "Phone screen cleaner."

 

[Curious Me]

I realize I am fooling myself thinking I can put up a fight against someone with super human powers of strength and an inability to even feel pain. I don't own a gun. I have odd items like meat prongs, apple corers with jagged blades, big knives, clubs, hammers, razor blades, shish kabob holders hidden all over the place like under pillows, by doors, next to computers, in my car. I'm not sure I'll remember to actually use them if caught off guard. I don't stand a chance against anybody acting like AH showing up suddenly as he did in the couple's garage.

The big black water bug:
I'm being terrorized right now. I rarely see bugs in my place, but last night I saw a huge black water bug come in under a door. I was too slow. Do you think I could find anything to swat him with? No. He got away, then he came back sneaking up on me, I hurt my foot stamping down, but again he scurried under something, and of course I couldn't find him. He's so big, he has to go, I'm awaiting the battle with disgust and anxiety. It's freaking me out, I know he's behind something staring at me and laughing an evil bug laugh.

 

[CARIIS]

Wanna borrow my pot ITS BIG!!!

I realize I am fooling myself thinking I can put up a fight against someone with super human powers of strength and an inability to even feel pain. I don't own a gun. I have odd items like meat prongs, apple corers with jagged blades, big knives, clubs, hammers, razor blades, shish kabob holders hidden all over the place like under pillows, by doors, next to computers, in my car. I'm not sure I'll remember to actually use them if caught off guard. I don't stand a chance against anybody acting like AH showing up suddenly as he did in the couple's garage.

The big black water bug:
I'm being terrorized right now. I rarely see bugs in my place, but last night I saw a huge black water bug come in under a door. I was too slow. Do you think I could find anything to swat him with? No. He got away, then he came back sneaking up on me, I hurt my foot stamping down, but again he scurried under something, and of course I couldn't find him. He's so big, he has to go, I'm awaiting the battle with disgust and anxiety. It's freaking me out, I know he's behind something staring at me and laughing an evil bug laugh.

 

[CARIIS]

I stopped watching after he was in the cop car for 20 seconds- the thought of having someone behaving like that on top of me was too much

That is nothing like what pts acted like I was trying to find what they are like when they are not completly bonkers -----having a hard time - which may be my answer in and of itself, now that I think about it

The beginning was interesting to see all the BS in the way they market it tho

[video=youtube;Wh_nZiuFC4o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh_nZiuFC4o[/video]

 

[CARIIS]

Bath Salt user describes it - caution displays no insight whatsoever!!!

Lemmon did not appear to be paying attn!!

[video=youtube;hvcc1f8IJj4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvcc1f8IJj4[/video]

 

[GeeEm]

I just logged onto WS and what? ANOTHER ONE??

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/crime/ma...s-home-in-martin-county--3b21e-391542321.html

 

[CARIIS]

Earily similiar Truly scary................

[video=youtube;NzlTaNZqlj0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlTaNZqlj0[/video]

 

[CARIIS]

Hi!

Yep

I just onto WS and what? ANOTHER ONE??

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/crime/ma...s-home-in-martin-county--3b21e-391542321.html

 

[CARIIS]

Tid bits

He previously lived on campus in the Rogers Hall dormitory,

Heritage Grove house, a fraternity and sorority housing complex about a mile from the FSU Tallahassee campus.

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2016/08/16/who-austin-kelly-harrouff/88873480/

Dateline story posted earlier one store sold $250K of the stuff in 4 months.....

My mind was blown,” said Lonsberry, an incoming freshman at Florida State University. “I would have never expected Austin to be the type of person to assault somebody. We used to have to ask him during games to just get angry and more physical. We used to have to beg him. And he never would. He just always had a smile on his face. That’s just the type of kid he was.”

Lonsberry said he and Harrouff, both of whom played defense for the Suncoast Chargers, developed a brotherly bond that comes with playing football together.

member of Alpha Delta Phi but didn’t live in the fraternity house at Heritage Grove. do we know where he lived last semester??

Davidson and one of his fraternity brothers, Daniel Moreno, said Flakka and bath salts aren’t common on campus

“Everyone is just dumbfounded and in disbelief. It’s just really sad down here.”

International Baccalaureate student at Suncoast Community High School,

Austin Harrouff continues to be in and out of consciousness in the hospital

[FONT=&quot]While a majority of people are frightened from Harrouff’s actions, his friend, ..... “Austin is a good kid. People always make mistakes in college and have fun,” the anonymous friend said. “Whatever happened isn't Austin. He isn't himself now.”

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The FSU student, who was in the same fraternity as Harrouff, ........, he started to “play with some things he shouldn’t have.”

[/FONT][FONT=&quot] white crystal chunks look like aquarium gravel.

[/FONT]In the Miami case there were no bath salts found

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/27/rudy-eugene-face-marijuana-medical-examiner-results_n_1632253.html





http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2016/08/17/friends-fsu-students-shocked-slaying/88921288/

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[Curious Me]

:laugh:

Wanna borrow my pot ITS BIG!!! :lol:

CARIIS, you mentioned this in a previous post-- "The blood Inside the car adds another confusing angle - like we need one........."

What car? I don't remember that part.