FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #20

[FrayedKnot]

Sometimes IMO "bad apples" like Dale are unfortunately able to attract more future victims who either aren't aware of the perp's past (like Michelle)...The girl that got murdered by Joran Van der sloot comes to mind...she never knew what she was getting herself into until it was too late. Or worse yet there are those women that purposely seek to date a "bad guy"...

This won't be a popular statement, but assuming that any women who choose to date DS2 are legal adults and are not mentally impaired in any way, then really, it's just 'thinning the herd'.

Sorry but the guy isn't going to stop killing until he is incarcerated and if some loon who is cognizant of his background chooses to date him,then God help her because I sure can't.

It sounds mean, but really it's sad.

 

[Jazzmaster]

IMO These "facts" go to motives and judgements on Dale's character. They do not prove Dale killed Michelle on the day she disappeared.

But if the shoe fits...These facts in themselves MAY not prove Dale killed Michelle but they certainly IMO will HELP the DA build a pretty strong case (ALONG with other collected evidence which I believe exists) as to why Dale's character and past led him to commit MURDER...JMO

 

[Jazzmaster]

BBM

I can't speak for any other posters but personally I am not looking at this case from an emotional viewpoint as I do not know any of the players involved and I don't even live in the country in which this crime took place. I am strictly going by the information and evidence that has been released, as well as information that has been sleuthed and provided to the forum on the prime suspect, and making logical conclusions as to what is most likely to have happened. Pretty much the same thing that LE does in an investigation.

Common sense would indicate that this was not a random stranger abduction based on the information that has been released. And it appears at this time that LE concur with that opinion.

MOO

I agree with you Kamille! Though emotions can often get the best of us. As a true sleuther you have to look at ALL angles. I have traveled almost every path away from Dale as the culprit and all the evidence leads me right back to him no matter how many times I try. JMO. UNLESS someone "framed" Dale I do not see how ANYONE other than Dale is responsible. Unless someone else confesses or we see new evidence clearing Dale...he is guilty in my book. Pretty open and shut case if you ask me.

 

[Jazzmaster]

IMO Common sense says there are not enough evidence (if any) to convict Dale's Smith of the murder of Michelle Parker and evidently so believes the prosecutor's office since after six months of extensive investigation they have not charged Dale with any crime.

Do you have a link for this "common sense"? JK But in all seriousness no DA will move forward on a case until they are VERY certain they can win the case. Just because they are not certain today doesn't mean tomorrow they won't get one new piece of info to change that. That MUST drive Dale crazy...knowing he MUST monitor sites like this to make sure that "key piece" of info doesn't show up. JMO

 

[telemag]

In the United States, over 4000 women are killed by homicide each year. According to a 1998 Violence Policy Center study, more than 12 times as many females were murdered by a male they knew (1,699 victims) than were killed by male strangers (138 victims) <1>. Up to 25% of women report being abused by intimate partners in their lifetimes, compared with 7.5% of men <2>. The violence tends to escalate over time and most violent incidents occur in the home <3>.



if there is a history of violence, she is 14.6 times more likely to be a homicide victim <9>. Approximately one third of all women who are killed by their partners have either autopsy evidence of recent trauma or have previously reported injuries <10>.


<http://www.ipgv.org/legis-dv.html >

So this study says that most are murdered by people they knew not husbands or boyfriends and how do we know how this study defines "KNEW"? "Did she know him? Yeah he came into the bar a lot and she waited on him many times " You can know someone but not reallly know them as in my point about Michelle possibly being abducted by someone she "knew" that she waited on say maybe a few dozen times. It doesn't mean she really knew him. Also I'm sure a lot of these girls had abusive husbands that didn't commit the crime, but we are not privy to those statistics.

 

[telemag]

ITA and jumping off.....

Gee, it's almost like whoever took Michelle was making sure the Hummer didn't suffer any damage and was found quite easily and in perfect condition.

But what sort of crazed abductor would care about Michelle's car? Oh! Wait! That's right.

The Hummer was DS2s.

A few weeks ago some lady was ahead of me at a red light and she drifted back while her car was out of gear. She bumped me hard enough for me to have to get out and look at my bumper. The bump was hard enough for me to get out, see how that works? I looked at my bumper and there was not even a scratch or a smudge and since I was late for a Dr appointment I left. Point is if that would have been a car jacking I would have been in trouble I guess or they would have. :maddening:

 

[telemag]

I went back and rewatched the show, looks like I was mistaken. Yes...you are correct Dale was cheating on Michelle with at least 7 women. IMO I personally think he may be into men as well but I cannot prove it just yet...

There is a transcript of PC on one of the threads. Sorry I couldn't find it...but Paul's name was mentioned by Dale not Michelle. Thanks for clarifying!

Gonna have to disagree with you on Dale being gay or an escort like you suspect, but it sounds like you are looking into it so please share that info with us if you ever find out. Thanks

 

[FrayedKnot]

A few weeks ago some lady was ahead of me at a red light and she drifted back while her car was out of gear. She bumped me hard enough for me to have to get out and look at my bumper. The bump was hard enough for me to get out, see how that works? I looked at my bumper and there was not even a scratch or a smudge and since I was late for a Dr appointment I left. Point is if that would have been a car jacking I would have been in trouble I guess or they would have. :maddening:

Yes, but thankfully you are still alive and Michelle is very likely not and DS2 is really the only person ever to threaten or physically abuse her.

We can all say that some of these things happened to us and well, we are okay and not missing. But it is the sum of the parts that gives us the true picture of what most likely occurred.

If a tornado rips thru town and the next day you realize your roof is gone, you don't blame your neighbor for stealing your roof. JMO.

 

[Gia]

I think he only responded to the brother because he needed to buy more time to cover his tracks. He did not want the brother to begin to worry about her yet, so replying makes it seem like she is just busy with errands. He just replied with one word because he was probably driving and incredibly stressed out and overwhelmed at the moment, imo.

I agree. IMO he didn't have time to sit there texting people back and forth. He had too many things to get rid of/cover up, and was probably in panic mode. And even though it wasn't normal for Michelle to reply with one word texts, I think it would be even harder for him to know the right answers to respond with, trying to pretend to be her with various people.

IMO we have very limited information released by LE, but enough has been released on Dale's past (especially as it relates to Michelle). He has threatened to kill her and kidnap the twinners, was the last to see her, and IMO lied to LE. He had the opportunity. She was most likely either in his house or garage where no one could see. There is at least 42 minutes unaccounted for by Dale IMO....Yet others are willing to MAKE UP some "random stranger" that we have no PROOF EXISTS. Someone that stalked Michelle and somehow abducted her in broad daylight without a single witness? WOW! What a clever guy! Maybe he's CIA?

BBM

Agree. I know some people try to fit the entire crime into when MP arrived at his condo to when he ended up at his parent's house. And they don't see how he could have done all that in such a short time frame.

But IMO he had even more time than that to cover his tracks. What was he doing when his phone repeatedly went unanswered, when he was supposedly at his parent's house? Or in the early morning hours? Or on the way to work the very next morning? If he left his cell at home or his dad's, where it would ping, there's no way to trace his steps. MOO

 

[Jazzmaster]

I agree. IMO he didn't have time to sit there texting people back and forth. He had too many things to get rid of/cover up, and was probably in panic mode. And even though it wasn't normal for Michelle to reply with one word texts, I think it would be even harder for him to know the right answers to respond with, trying to pretend to be her with various people.



BBM

Agree. I know some people try to fit the entire crime into when MP arrived at his condo to when he ended up at his parent's house. And they don't see how he could have done all that in such a short time frame.

But IMO he had even more time than that to cover his tracks. What was he doing when his phone repeatedly went unanswered, when he was supposedly at his parent's house? Or in the early morning hours? Or on the way to work the very next morning? If he left his cell at home or his dad's, where it would ping, there's no way to trace his steps. MOO

B-I-N-G-O! That has been my main argument all along. Time is NOT the issue...Dale had PLENTY of time for the crime and WAY MORE than enough time for the cover up. Many question how Dale did all this without getting spotted or the Hummer being seen. Well it was dark by 6 in Orlando that day and IIRC she wasn't reported missing until 8 so there's at LEAST two hours in the dark...With Dale not answering his phone it provides him an alibi (if left at his parent's) And like you said the ability to be in 2 places at once...hiding evidence.

 

[telemag]

Yes, but thankfully you are still alive and Michelle is very likely not and DS2 is really the only person ever to threaten or physically abuse her.

We can all say that some of these things happened to us and well, we are okay and not missing. But it is the sum of the parts that gives us the true picture of what most likely occurred.

If a tornado rips thru town and the next day you realize your roof is gone, you don't blame your neighbor for stealing your roof. JMO.

Thanks well I really hope Michelle went a little nuts and took off and is still alive and will come back someday. Now I would like to know though how you know that Dale is the only one to ever threaten Michelle.

 

[katydid23]

So this study says that most are murdered by people they knew not husbands or boyfriends and how do we know how this study defines "KNEW"? "Did she know him? Yeah he came into the bar a lot and she waited on him many times " You can know someone but not reallly know them as in my point about Michelle possibly being abducted by someone she "knew" that she waited on say maybe a few dozen times. It doesn't mean she really knew him. Also I'm sure a lot of these girls had abusive husbands that didn't commit the crime, but we are not privy to those statistics.

FROM THE STUDY:
. Up to 25% of women report being abused by intimate partners in their lifetimes, compared with 7.5% of men <2>. The violence tends to escalate over time and most violent incidents occur in the home <3>.

In Iowa, at least 68 women were killed in domestic violence murders between January 1995 and September 2003 <4>. One study found that 84% of females killed in Iowa between 1996 and 1998 were killed in domestic situations—the majority in domestic disputes or murder-suicides <5>.

From the looks of it they were talking about domestic partners, not customers in a bar where they worked.

 

[katydid23]

A few weeks ago some lady was ahead of me at a red light and she drifted back while her car was out of gear. She bumped me hard enough for me to have to get out and look at my bumper. The bump was hard enough for me to get out, see how that works? I looked at my bumper and there was not even a scratch or a smudge and since I was late for a Dr appointment I left. Point is if that would have been a car jacking I would have been in trouble I guess or they would have. :maddening:

Okay, so I assume you were out in plain view. Do you think you could have been able to overpower that woman and get her in your vehicle, without causing a scene?

 

[Jazzmaster]

Yes, but thankfully you are still alive and Michelle is very likely not and DS2 is really the only person ever to threaten or physically abuse her.

We can all say that some of these things happened to us and well, we are okay and not missing. But it is the sum of the parts that gives us the true picture of what most likely occurred.

If a tornado rips thru town and the next day you realize your roof is gone, you don't blame your neighbor for stealing your roof. JMO.

I agree! The analogy of someone bumping your car and then car jacking you in broad daylight without anyone seeing it is VERY weak IMO as it relates to Michelle. So she gets in an accident and no one sees this? This guy jumps in Michelle's vehicle and leaves his vehicle behind? He gets rid of the decals and hides Michelle? He takes Michelle's phone then just happens to follow the same direction of where Dale is going? Then discards evidence along the same route? He is able to avoid leaving any traces of DNA in Michelle's vehicle?

Why are we willing to believe this car jacking theory rather than the fact that a violent felon who had threatened to kill Michelle and kidnap her kids in the past, who had physically abused her on several occasions, and was having custody/ support issues with her in the present was is in NO WAY involved? Sometimes it's pretty simple to see what happened but our minds want to imagine other things because it seems more complicated. Michelle's disappearance is one IMO that is "simple like that".

 

[telemag]

Okay, so I assume you were out in plain view. Do you think you could have been able to overpower that woman and get her in your vehicle, without causing a scene?

Many years ago I knew a guy whose Mom was taken from a mall parking lot in broad day light during Christmas shopping season. She was found dead not long after that. They never caught the guy as far as I know.

 

[katydid23]

Many years ago I knew a guy whose Mom was taken from a mall parking lot in broad day light during Christmas shopping season. She was found dead not long after that. They never caught the guy as far as I know.

I'm not saying it never happens. I am just saying that in this specific case, there are so many indicators of past behavior patterns with Dale and Michelle, that the odds are much greater that he is the perp. jmo

 

[telemag]

I'm not saying it never happens. I am just saying that in this specific case, there are so many indicators of past behavior patterns with Dale and Michelle, that the odds are much greater that he is the perp. jmo

Yes I see your point, but too many people are saying that there is no way that anyone else did this but Dale, but having an abusive ex doesn't drop the odds of having another person besides Dale murdering Michelle. See what I mean?

 

[nobodynoz]

Many years ago I knew a guy whose Mom was taken from a mall parking lot in broad day light during Christmas shopping season. She was found dead not long after that. They never caught the guy as far as I know.

Sounds like she was found pretty quickly, at least.

Did he (or they) take her car too?

 

[telemag]

Sounds like she was found pretty quickly, at least.

Did he (or they) take her car too?

I don't think so. This happened in the Canton Ohio area back in late 80's early 90's sorry I can't remember the exact time. I bought some furniture off this guy and he was better friends with my buddy. I just remember how it bummed me out hearing what happened to this lady.

 

[Jazzmaster]

I'm not saying it never happens. I am just saying that in this specific case, there are so many indicators of past behavior patterns with Dale and Michelle, that the odds are much greater that he is the perp. jmo

Well you know...there are a lot of coincidences going around:

Nov 17th: just coincidence it was the day PC episode airs

4:00pm: arrival time Dale states. He coincidently lost track of time, was "mistaken" but it coincidently gave Him just enough time (20 mins or so) if he left at 4:10 to get to Rose Blvd at 4:30 where he has an eyewitness. thanks mom and dad...

phone pings: coincidence the known pings are between Dale's condo and Rose Blvd

Michelle told Dale she was going shopping: just a coincidence she only told Dale this and no one else knows about it including the son she was supposed to be home for, coincidence she went shopping earlier in the day (did she have shopping bags in the Hummer that either Dale discarded or LE found)? Just a coincidence that "Waterford" is a place Michelle shops at...and a text containing that word was sent. Hmmm...Who needed to get their story straight?

Waterford: coincidence that the ONLY text That came from Michelle's phone was one asking where she was and coincidence it was just one word. Hmmm...who needed to buy more time and didn't want anyone to suspect it wasn't Michelle sending it?

phone powers down: just a coincidence the phone powers down around the same time Michelle is being reported missing. Hmmm...who would know when her shift starts and when her family would be extremely worried?

Those are just several of the MANY coincidences that I am aware of that took place the day Michelle went missing...Hmmmm someone is sure GOOD at FRAMING Dale..All JMO