FLDS compound in Texas Court proceedings ONLY please!!!!!

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Ladybass0711 said:
3:42 p.m. - Rumors, fueled by the passage of a black limousine, resurface among crowds outside the courthouse that Oprah is in town. Her rumored location is Miss Hattie's.

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/18/live-from-the-courthouse-day-2-of-updates-from/
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Miss Hatties, the historic *advertiser censored* house downtown. There's not that much to see at Miss Hattie's , but it's a pretty, laid back little town with a river walk, old homes, surrounded by lakes, and a retirement place for many seniors. I love San Angelo and hate to think of it being so disrupted due to all this, but very glad the freaks were caught. I've avoided this thread due to fear that the hearing isn't going well. Hope it ends soon in total favor of the children and they get the remaining perverts out of San Angelo and into prison. There's some polygamous compound not far from my town. Why are they choosing Texas.
 
txsvicki said:
Miss Hatties, the historic *advertiser censored* house downtown. There's not that much to see at Miss Hattie's , but it's a pretty, laid back little town with a river walk, old homes, surrounded by lakes, and a retirement place for many seniors. I love San Angelo and hate to think of it being so disrupted due to all this, but very glad the freaks were caught. I've avoided this thread due to fear that the hearing isn't going well. Hope it ends soon in total favor of the children and they get the remaining perverts out of San Angelo and into prison. There's some polygamous compound not far from my town. Why are they choosing Texas.
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They chose Texas because of it's law ...and then after they moved there it was changed. There's probably been some living there in various places all along, just under the radar so to speak and not in compounds like that. Probably the walls around their properties are a new thing ordered by Jeffs. EDITED to add: The walls make it easier for them to keep the girls or women from escaping.
 
Linda7NJ said:
Someone should have asked him to define "child molester" :rolleyes:

He's either an idiot or a pedophile.
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They really should ask that question of the expert. I'm sure there are many who would like to know his definition, in light of his testimony.
 
Sure is, we need an update, like an hour ago.
 
Longest 5 minute break I've seen too!!

William John Walsh is the expert testifying. He's a Mormon scholar who has studied the FLDS religion for 18 years. Yet says he got his information from the media. :chicken:

"The temple, however, is the first to be built by FLDS faithful on any of their properties in several states and Canada."


http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8969119
This article has some of the testimony and more of what he said.
 
I don't post often at all, but I gotta tell ya, I am FASCINATED by all of this. I don't mean that in a voyeuristic (sp) sense (well, maybe a tad-lol) but because this is so multi-layered it makes an onion look like a flat sheet of paper! Child abuse, brain washing, religeous freedom vs persecution, 1st amendment issues, fraud and financial wrangling, corruption in the FDLS & our own government which has turned a blind eye for decades, as well as the burden on our gov't (which the FDLS exploits), history ( of religion and America's west), the law, crazy's who insert themselves (like this chick in CO.)- I mean, other than a discussion on the art appreciation (or lack thereof) of the FDLS- (I will say their interior design capabilities are sorely lacking and Project Runway would have a field day redesigning pastel prarie dresses), is there anything that this case doesn't involve? Lawdy!

I have read "Under the Banner of Heaven" and other books/articles on this sect, but I gotta tell ya, after this is all said and done- which will take years-The definitive "book" written on this cult will be larger than the Book of Mormon and twice as unbelievable! (sorry- I don't mean to be disrespectful).

My only hope is that these issues do not fade away and take a back burner in the media- which we all know they will due to the election and the next crime de'jour- because it is CRAZY that this will continue to be allowed in this country!

Sorry for my rant!
 
galvino said:
I don't post often at all, but I gotta tell ya, I am FASCINATED by all of this. I don't mean that in a voyeuristic (sp) sense (well, maybe a tad-lol) but because this is so multi-layered it makes an onion look like a flat sheet of paper! Child abuse, brain washing, religeous freedom vs persecution, 1st amendment issues, fraud and financial wrangling, corruption in the FDLS & our own government which has turned a blind eye for decades, as well as the burden on our gov't (which the FDLS exploits), history ( of religion and America's west), the law, crazy's who insert themselves (like this chick in CO.)- I mean, other than a discussion on the art appreciation (or lack thereof) of the FDLS- (I will say their interior design capabilities are sorely lacking and Project Runway would have a field day redesigning pastel prarie dresses), is there anything that this case doesn't involve? Lawdy!

I have read "Under the Banner of Heaven" and other books/articles on this sect, but I gotta tell ya, after this is all said and done- which will take years-The definitive "book" written on this cult will be larger than the Book of Mormon and twice as unbelievable! (sorry- I don't mean to be disrespectful).

My only hope is that these issues do not fade away and take a back burner in the media- which we all know they will due to the election and the next crime de'jour- because it is CRAZY that this will continue to be allowed in this country!

Sorry for my rant!
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No need to apologize, and well said !! :clap: :clap:

Hope you'll continue to contribute to the discussion !
 
galvino said:
I have read "Under the Banner of Heaven" and other books/articles on this sect, but I gotta tell ya, after this is all said and done- which will take years-The definitive "book" written on this cult will be larger than the Book of Mormon and twice as unbelievable! (sorry- I don't mean to be disrespectful).

My only hope is that these issues do not fade away and take a back burner in the media- which we all know they will due to the election and the next crime de'jour- because it is CRAZY that this will continue to be allowed in this country!

Sorry for my rant!
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Hopefully since the light has been shone onto this subject a lot of people will continue to keep abreast of what happens. There are several investigative journalists who have been involved in this case already and even if they move on to other reports etc. I suspect some of them will keep their eye on this group.
 
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/04/18/texas-trial.html

Some of the more than 400 children taken from a West Texas polygamist compound are Canadian citizens, a state official said Friday.

Angie Voss, who is with Texas Child Protection Services, didn't say how many are Canadian or give their ages or sex. Voss said they would remain in state custody regardless of their citizenship.
 
Per CNN, mothers are testifying, they will do anything they have to to get children back, including psychological exams, etc. 4 mothers testifying. 1 mother cannot even define word abuse. Mothers cannot say how many underage girls pregnant/have children.
 
http://www.kswo.com/Global/story.asp?S=8195328

Witness for parents says no sex in West Texas polygamist temple

Associated Press - April 18, 2008 6:45 PM ET

SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) - A witness for some parents today said there's no sexual activity in the temple at the polygamist group's compound in West Texas.

W. John Walsh also said a bed in the temple -- is for naps during the sect's long worship services.
 
barb0301 said:
Per CNN, mothers are testifying, they will do anything they have to to get children back, including psychological exams, etc. 4 mothers testifying. 1 mother cannot even define word abuse. Mothers cannot say how many underage girls pregnant/have children.
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1. If they cannot define what abuse is, how do they know if what they are doing is abusive or not?

2. Of course they know how many underage girls are pregnant or had babies. If they don't know the exact number, they at least have a general idea.
 
galvino said:
I don't post often at all, but I gotta tell ya, I am FASCINATED by all of this. I don't mean that in a voyeuristic (sp) sense (well, maybe a tad-lol) but because this is so multi-layered it makes an onion look like a flat sheet of paper! Child abuse, brain washing, religeous freedom vs persecution, 1st amendment issues, fraud and financial wrangling, corruption in the FDLS & our own government which has turned a blind eye for decades, as well as the burden on our gov't (which the FDLS exploits), history ( of religion and America's west), the law, crazy's who insert themselves (like this chick in CO.)- I mean, other than a discussion on the art appreciation (or lack thereof) of the FDLS- (I will say their interior design capabilities are sorely lacking and Project Runway would have a field day redesigning pastel prarie dresses), is there anything that this case doesn't involve? Lawdy!

I have read "Under the Banner of Heaven" and other books/articles on this sect, but I gotta tell ya, after this is all said and done- which will take years-The definitive "book" written on this cult will be larger than the Book of Mormon and twice as unbelievable! (sorry- I don't mean to be disrespectful).

My only hope is that these issues do not fade away and take a back burner in the media- which we all know they will due to the election and the next crime de'jour- because it is CRAZY that this will continue to be allowed in this country!

Sorry for my rant!
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so glad you posted and rant away!
 
http://www.star-telegram.com/189/story/590365.html

Voss then began laying out the state's case for keeping the children in custody. She said many of the girls told CPS caseworkers that no age is too young to marry and that it is their mission to have as many children as possible. "There was a mind-set that when the prophet came and told them it was time get married, that was what they were going to do no matter what the age," Voss said. Many of the girls were eager to begin having children and were thrilled to be living at the 1,691-acre ranch four miles north of Eldorado, she said. "They said it was an honor to be there. They said, 'This is Zion,'" Voss said.

She has determined that girls as young as 13 have children, Voss said. One 14-year-old and a number of 15-year-olds are pregnant, she testified.

When asked if she believes that the children should return to the compound, Voss said they should not because the sect members do not believe they are doing anything wrong.
 
golfmom said:
http://www.kswo.com/Global/story.asp?S=8195328

Witness for parents says no sex in West Texas polygamist temple

Associated Press - April 18, 2008 6:45 PM ET

SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) - A witness for some parents today said there's no sexual activity in the temple at the polygamist group's compound in West Texas.

W. John Walsh also said a bed in the temple -- is for naps during the sect's long worship services.
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naps and if someone passes out from "fasting":rolleyes: yeah okay
 
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