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Respectfully bolded by me, do all children who have been in the womb during periods of unrest in the mothers life bear these vibrations?
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Respectfully bolded by me, do all children who have been in the womb during periods of unrest in the mothers life bear these vibrations?
Leomoon80
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Jenny:
Did you read Tad Mann's theory (on the link?) that should help explain or clarify further .....I'd say yes, insofar
as when we enter the womb, we take physical nourishment from the mother's body as she take in food, we also take in emotional angst or nourishment as well, depending upon the mother's existing conditions.
But of course, many of us who believe in reincarnation (and not every astrologer does of course), would also believe that we choose the exact time of birth, as close to the conditions we wish to experience....as possible.
So, it's not to blame the parents, as the soul (child) itself chooses the conditions as well for their own growth as well as the growth of the parents. I do not see then, that there is a blind choice, (so to speak)
That's just "imo".
(this may explain too, that one might have 3 children, 3 different Moon signs and aspects quite differing, one child to the other's, but yet the same biological parents.)
Leomoon
Did you read Tad Mann's theory (on the link?) that should help explain or clarify further .....I'd say yes, insofar
as when we enter the womb, we take physical nourishment from the mother's body as she take in food, we also take in emotional angst or nourishment as well, depending upon the mother's existing conditions.
But of course, many of us who believe in reincarnation (and not every astrologer does of course), would also believe that we choose the exact time of birth, as close to the conditions we wish to experience....as possible.
So, it's not to blame the parents, as the soul (child) itself chooses the conditions as well for their own growth as well as the growth of the parents. I do not see then, that there is a blind choice, (so to speak)
That's just "imo".
(this may explain too, that one might have 3 children, 3 different Moon signs and aspects quite differing, one child to the other's, but yet the same biological parents.)
Leomoon
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Soulscape would there be any benefit in looking at an event chart for the discovery of Kelly's body? I think we have looked at natal and last seen.
http://www.wtvr.com/news/wtvr-body-found-swift-creek-100311,0,1855768.story
http://projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=7843
Kelly was found at around noon on Thursday, March 11th. More info at links above.
http://www.wtvr.com/news/wtvr-body-found-swift-creek-100311,0,1855768.story
http://projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=7843
Kelly was found at around noon on Thursday, March 11th. More info at links above.
Leomoon80
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from request posted by daughter Sherriep (posted 4/1/09)
REF:
Disappearance of Mary Badaracco from Sherman Ct.
25 yr. Old Cold Case:
Case suffered a Setback:
from AMW article:
http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=67342
Poster of Mary:
http://www.ct.gov/dps/cwp/view.asp?a=2159&q=294516
Mary was last seen at her home on August 20, 1984, in Sherman, Conn., the windshield of her car smashed in the driveway.
Just five days later, her husband Dominic filed for divorce on the grounds of abandonment. Soon after, Mary's car disappeared and has never been found.
While Mary's daughters have waited a quarter century they have not given up hope that someone will do the right thing and come forward with the information needed for justice.
They thought they were closer to at least some answers when a man was charged with interfering with the investigation by giving police false, incomplete and unreliable information.
The defendant said he had buried three or four cars on his property, and assured police that there were no dead bodies in any of them. After an excavation that cost the State of Connecticut $35,000, three cars were found buried on his property, but none belonging to Mary.
Testimony from a psychologist that the defendant had likely suffered brain damage decades prior in an excavating accident, and a drinking habit of 12 to 18 drinks per day for 10 to 20 years, resulted in a not guilty verdict in May 2009.
Remains named POI:
Despite that setback, the trial produced new revelations including affirmation that (DB) Sr. (the husband at the time) was the last person to see Mary alive and reportedly gave inconsistent information to investigators.
REF:
Disappearance of Mary Badaracco from Sherman Ct.
25 yr. Old Cold Case:
Case suffered a Setback:
from AMW article:
http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=67342
Poster of Mary:
http://www.ct.gov/dps/cwp/view.asp?a=2159&q=294516
Mary was last seen at her home on August 20, 1984, in Sherman, Conn., the windshield of her car smashed in the driveway.
Just five days later, her husband Dominic filed for divorce on the grounds of abandonment. Soon after, Mary's car disappeared and has never been found.
While Mary's daughters have waited a quarter century they have not given up hope that someone will do the right thing and come forward with the information needed for justice.
They thought they were closer to at least some answers when a man was charged with interfering with the investigation by giving police false, incomplete and unreliable information.
The defendant said he had buried three or four cars on his property, and assured police that there were no dead bodies in any of them. After an excavation that cost the State of Connecticut $35,000, three cars were found buried on his property, but none belonging to Mary.
Testimony from a psychologist that the defendant had likely suffered brain damage decades prior in an excavating accident, and a drinking habit of 12 to 18 drinks per day for 10 to 20 years, resulted in a not guilty verdict in May 2009.
Remains named POI:
Despite that setback, the trial produced new revelations including affirmation that (DB) Sr. (the husband at the time) was the last person to see Mary alive and reportedly gave inconsistent information to investigators.
Leomoon80
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NATAL OF DAUGHTER WITH TOB: (supplied by SherrieP in hopes of discerning more about her mother)
Daughter’s birth chart reveals on the day mom disappeared (8/20/84) last seen day ,
That TR Venus Mercury & Atropos (the asteroid for cutting the ties to the earth) over the 7th house of committed relationships for Sherrie’s natal.
POF and the BML in the 8th house of “Inheritance” and Death – natally are being TR by Pluto on this day, (the Destroyer / Transformer) planet at this particular time in Sherrie’s life.
With TR Saturn conjunct “Crux” the Cross or the burden to bear over her natal Neptune in the 9th house of the higher mind. Natal Neptune here at 15Scorpio is very critical, so we’d see a “maximized” event for vibrations here, to occur concerning Neptune.
To see MaryB. The mom of Sherrie in this chart, at the time of her conception of Sherriep. (and the husband then was not the same man who is the POI in this case!)
But looking strictly at Mary B’s overall vibration when Sherrie was born in this chart,
We see a few general traits perhaps for Mary B. that also will apply within her new relationships such as with the POI.
This chart may indeed say that Mary was “prone” towards great disappointment in the marriage(s) then she was involved in as Uranus in House 7 of marriage(s) and commitments – the House of partnerships has planets that are worrisome here.
Uranus (isolation) Pluto (transformation) the Vertex (a fateful event or person) with Juno (through marriage)………
The focus for me on this chart then, concerning the mother is the TR Black Moon on the day of Mary’s disappearance over the very critical, (but a natal promise for Sherrie)
Jupiter in the 29th degree of Pisces (conj. fixed star Scheat) , another star that brings
A great deal of severe misfortune into the life.
The natal of Sherrie can then be seen as the Transit chart of mother when Sherrie was conceived and near that point in time.
The transits of 1984 when mother disappeared, in effect “register “ certain planets that were promised in the natal chart.
We might also notice (for those who follow the Tad Mann theory) that Sherrie’s natal chart “Registered” her natal Saturn at age 21 when her mom disappeared, and Saturn is conjunct the Ascendent, always a mark of intense suffering, the closer Saturn is to the Actual Ascendent.
Daughter’s birth chart reveals on the day mom disappeared (8/20/84) last seen day ,
That TR Venus Mercury & Atropos (the asteroid for cutting the ties to the earth) over the 7th house of committed relationships for Sherrie’s natal.
POF and the BML in the 8th house of “Inheritance” and Death – natally are being TR by Pluto on this day, (the Destroyer / Transformer) planet at this particular time in Sherrie’s life.
With TR Saturn conjunct “Crux” the Cross or the burden to bear over her natal Neptune in the 9th house of the higher mind. Natal Neptune here at 15Scorpio is very critical, so we’d see a “maximized” event for vibrations here, to occur concerning Neptune.
To see MaryB. The mom of Sherrie in this chart, at the time of her conception of Sherriep. (and the husband then was not the same man who is the POI in this case!)
But looking strictly at Mary B’s overall vibration when Sherrie was born in this chart,
We see a few general traits perhaps for Mary B. that also will apply within her new relationships such as with the POI.
This chart may indeed say that Mary was “prone” towards great disappointment in the marriage(s) then she was involved in as Uranus in House 7 of marriage(s) and commitments – the House of partnerships has planets that are worrisome here.
Uranus (isolation) Pluto (transformation) the Vertex (a fateful event or person) with Juno (through marriage)………
The focus for me on this chart then, concerning the mother is the TR Black Moon on the day of Mary’s disappearance over the very critical, (but a natal promise for Sherrie)
Jupiter in the 29th degree of Pisces (conj. fixed star Scheat) , another star that brings
A great deal of severe misfortune into the life.
The natal of Sherrie can then be seen as the Transit chart of mother when Sherrie was conceived and near that point in time.
The transits of 1984 when mother disappeared, in effect “register “ certain planets that were promised in the natal chart.
We might also notice (for those who follow the Tad Mann theory) that Sherrie’s natal chart “Registered” her natal Saturn at age 21 when her mom disappeared, and Saturn is conjunct the Ascendent, always a mark of intense suffering, the closer Saturn is to the Actual Ascendent.
Leomoon80
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POI in the Mary B case is the 2nd husband:
Sunrise chart with day of transits:
This particular planet, i.e. TR Uranus (erratic and isolating) is exact conjunction to fixed star “Antares” at 9SAG
Suggesting violent behavior,and completely Uranian style at that. Erratic, out of mind violence and anger whenever we see Uranus meeting up with Antares.
A complete loss of control with Moira (the death asteroid), on standby at 10SAG
With Tr Venus, Mercury & Atropos (another death symbol) over natal Neptune(alcohol possibly involved) and very likely – when this all took place.
Interesting that there was a Chiron Return as well during this time for the POI
And his natal Chrion is conjunct the marriage asteroid Juno.
TR Ceres at 22Taurus is not very nurturing! For this “nurturer” of planets.
Natal Jupiter at 25SAG (and rx) is rather out of control with an inconjunct to
Natal Pluto at 25Cancer (Pollux the fixed stars or twin star) akin to Mars whereas
The other twin Castor is said to be more akin vibrationally to Mercury
I noticed too, that the Sunrise Chart for this is also Mars Ruling the Day with
Jupiter ruling the hour.
Sunrise chart with day of transits:
This particular planet, i.e. TR Uranus (erratic and isolating) is exact conjunction to fixed star “Antares” at 9SAG
Suggesting violent behavior,and completely Uranian style at that. Erratic, out of mind violence and anger whenever we see Uranus meeting up with Antares.
A complete loss of control with Moira (the death asteroid), on standby at 10SAG
With Tr Venus, Mercury & Atropos (another death symbol) over natal Neptune(alcohol possibly involved) and very likely – when this all took place.
Interesting that there was a Chiron Return as well during this time for the POI
And his natal Chrion is conjunct the marriage asteroid Juno.
TR Ceres at 22Taurus is not very nurturing! For this “nurturer” of planets.
Natal Jupiter at 25SAG (and rx) is rather out of control with an inconjunct to
Natal Pluto at 25Cancer (Pollux the fixed stars or twin star) akin to Mars whereas
The other twin Castor is said to be more akin vibrationally to Mercury
I noticed too, that the Sunrise Chart for this is also Mars Ruling the Day with
Jupiter ruling the hour.
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http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/ChericeRaginsGoesMissinginMD001.jpg
No wonder Cherice was noticed~we find her at the very apex of the chart where possibly a friend or a bus dropped her off on February 21 at 11:07 a.m. Often Mercury atop the chart is acting as an agent or intermediary for someone else. We do know she had an appointment in Catonsville. That she was positioned in a Fixed Sign gives some strength and favor and she is accidentally dignified by her presence in an angle, so she is to be respected and the angular stance further
fortifies her.
She is in unknown territory and her circumstances, H. 11, are full of surprises that turn her plans and intentions on their head. Uranus does that. Please note that the stem of one Y, important because so prominent, opposes Cherice's Part of Fortune and is contraparallel too. Cherice, or Mercury, was exactly // Pluto on the Friday but is separating at the disappearance, although within orb. Pluto and Saturn in square is another garish element that shocks.
The Moon ending within the star cluster known as the weeping Sisters always brings sorrow and actual tears. This day, this trip, was fraught with danger. The rising degree, again Cherice, has its own legend: "A soothing influence, a peace-maker, usually a traveler."______Ada Muir
No wonder Cherice was noticed~we find her at the very apex of the chart where possibly a friend or a bus dropped her off on February 21 at 11:07 a.m. Often Mercury atop the chart is acting as an agent or intermediary for someone else. We do know she had an appointment in Catonsville. That she was positioned in a Fixed Sign gives some strength and favor and she is accidentally dignified by her presence in an angle, so she is to be respected and the angular stance further
fortifies her.
She is in unknown territory and her circumstances, H. 11, are full of surprises that turn her plans and intentions on their head. Uranus does that. Please note that the stem of one Y, important because so prominent, opposes Cherice's Part of Fortune and is contraparallel too. Cherice, or Mercury, was exactly // Pluto on the Friday but is separating at the disappearance, although within orb. Pluto and Saturn in square is another garish element that shocks.
The Moon ending within the star cluster known as the weeping Sisters always brings sorrow and actual tears. This day, this trip, was fraught with danger. The rising degree, again Cherice, has its own legend: "A soothing influence, a peace-maker, usually a traveler."______Ada Muir
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Kevin N Fox (Age 33)
Birth Date: 01/04/1977
Associated Names:
Kevin E Fox
The address associated with this name indicates it is correct.
Birth Date: 01/04/1977
Associated Names:
Kevin E Fox
The address associated with this name indicates it is correct.
Leomoon80
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This adoreable little girl's case goes unsolved till today.
The police focused on the father during a 14 hr. very intense interrogation which got them a confession, but the DNA didn't match....so now the city will give the parents a 15.5 million dollar settlement for all the duress and time spent in prison (no trial)
The killer is still unknown. Probably to strike again, other unfortunate little girls, as there was one only 90 miles away in Indiana with a remarkably similar M.O. (duct taped and bound)
Jenny asked for this cold case to be looked at:
NATAL of Riley (Sunrise) chart
SATURN RULES THE DAY OF HER BIRTH, Saturn is also conjunct Algol with
Saturn square to Uranus, a natal promise.
The police focused on the father during a 14 hr. very intense interrogation which got them a confession, but the DNA didn't match....so now the city will give the parents a 15.5 million dollar settlement for all the duress and time spent in prison (no trial)
The killer is still unknown. Probably to strike again, other unfortunate little girls, as there was one only 90 miles away in Indiana with a remarkably similar M.O. (duct taped and bound)
Jenny asked for this cold case to be looked at:
NATAL of Riley (Sunrise) chart
SATURN RULES THE DAY OF HER BIRTH, Saturn is also conjunct Algol with
Saturn square to Uranus, a natal promise.
Leomoon80
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Reported missing by brother to his dad – Riley is not in the house.
Saturn conj. Mars with Cancer 21 degrees conjunct the twins or in Castor/Pollux constellation.
Mars conj. Saturn suggests a complete search with authorities, looking for this little girl, but as we know now they simply focused on the father himself.
Ceres (the nurturer) is found in the 1st house 7Leo, the focus of the chart and the Ruler of the day is the Sun Leo’s ruler.
Moon opposes Ceres, not a good omen for nurturing this child or the family involved in the disappeance, as the other aspects Ceres makes is an ‘inconjunct” harsh aspect to Uranus (the missing child) the abudction of this little girl. Ceres also makes a harsh minor aspect to Pluto in the 6th from the 1st house – and this is not good for one’s welfare, as Pluto can mean destruction of the physical body.
Certainly in this chart, someone else has “control” a Pluto byword of this little girl’s life.
And with Moon (the chart ruler) in Aquarius 3 deg. It’s probably a rather strange erratic wired individual….who isolates himself from all emotion and is plain raw energy as Mercury at 1Gemini conjunct the “Weeping Sisters” forms a trine to the Moon.
Mars is weakened in Cancer in it’s Fall – and the Sun,Moon,Mercury Venus are all Air signs and isolated from empathy & concern more motivated by self-interest.
Uranus at almost 7Pisces is in a very critical degree because it conjuncts the fixed star
“Skat” ( Fatal in a degree of suffering)
With Saturn in Detriment in Cancer – quincunx to Neptune the child may have been drugged to be kept quiet or as we now know, her mouth was duct taped as well.
The child may not have been dead yet according to this chart as the 8th house of Death has Neptune here in Aquarius THE 15TH degree – and seems to suggest with Sextile to Pluto, a trine to Venus and the Sun, that the perpetrator has this child now, and is
Doing what pedophiles do with children….but I don’t think she’s gone yet.
There is a Yod with Pluto on one leg, Neptune the other and the apex is Saturn & Mars
The “bound child” in the 12th shown by these last two planets at the stem of this Yod,
And in the house of restriction and bondage.
In the 9th, POF conjunct to Skat and Uranus promises her death more likely then not in a few hours time.
The autopsy report suggested that little Riley died approximately 3-4 hrs. prior to the body being discovered at 3PM:
This chart is when the body of little Riley was found by hikers looking in the brush….they saw something in the water and it was her.
She was partially clad,…but definitely was brutally molested if not raped and the dear child had been also terrorized by being bound & duct taped of the mouth.
(not sure about the rape however), and from what I read, the little girl managed to free herself from the tape when she drowned. So she was fully conscious at this time. How incredibly awful for Riley.
Here we see Pluto in the 3rd, the Yod now with again, the outer planets, Neptune and then Mars & Saturn at the apex.
But this time differing houses. The 3rd is a focus and the police were interrogating for 14 hours the father of Riley insisting he was the one who killed this child.
Neptune & the Moon in the 4th probably speaks to this interrogation as well, as the body being found only 4 miles from home, in water (Neptune) and the Moon giving us the information in the house of “endings” the 4th.
The 5th house of children, (Riley), ruled by Saturn found at the MC now and the focus of this chart., the authorities are focused on her body and the crime scene.
With Uranus in the house of children – Riley is gone.
Jupiter in the 11th conjuncts fixed star “Zosma” and often speaks of a death and loss.
Sitting there in the 11th, as a testament to the incredible profound loss of this little girl
With Jupiter conj. Zosma – square to Venus, Sun, Mercury opposing Uranus and sextile to Saturn . (Quincunx the Moon in the house of endings) and Trines the NN.
Part of Fortune in this chart is very poignant, as it is conjunct to fixed star “Hyades”
In the Pleaides – and is square Uranus (symbolic of little Riley in the house of children)
Being now gone from this earth.
Saturn conj. Mars with Cancer 21 degrees conjunct the twins or in Castor/Pollux constellation.
Mars conj. Saturn suggests a complete search with authorities, looking for this little girl, but as we know now they simply focused on the father himself.
Ceres (the nurturer) is found in the 1st house 7Leo, the focus of the chart and the Ruler of the day is the Sun Leo’s ruler.
Moon opposes Ceres, not a good omen for nurturing this child or the family involved in the disappeance, as the other aspects Ceres makes is an ‘inconjunct” harsh aspect to Uranus (the missing child) the abudction of this little girl. Ceres also makes a harsh minor aspect to Pluto in the 6th from the 1st house – and this is not good for one’s welfare, as Pluto can mean destruction of the physical body.
Certainly in this chart, someone else has “control” a Pluto byword of this little girl’s life.
And with Moon (the chart ruler) in Aquarius 3 deg. It’s probably a rather strange erratic wired individual….who isolates himself from all emotion and is plain raw energy as Mercury at 1Gemini conjunct the “Weeping Sisters” forms a trine to the Moon.
Mars is weakened in Cancer in it’s Fall – and the Sun,Moon,Mercury Venus are all Air signs and isolated from empathy & concern more motivated by self-interest.
Uranus at almost 7Pisces is in a very critical degree because it conjuncts the fixed star
“Skat” ( Fatal in a degree of suffering)
With Saturn in Detriment in Cancer – quincunx to Neptune the child may have been drugged to be kept quiet or as we now know, her mouth was duct taped as well.
The child may not have been dead yet according to this chart as the 8th house of Death has Neptune here in Aquarius THE 15TH degree – and seems to suggest with Sextile to Pluto, a trine to Venus and the Sun, that the perpetrator has this child now, and is
Doing what pedophiles do with children….but I don’t think she’s gone yet.
There is a Yod with Pluto on one leg, Neptune the other and the apex is Saturn & Mars
The “bound child” in the 12th shown by these last two planets at the stem of this Yod,
And in the house of restriction and bondage.
In the 9th, POF conjunct to Skat and Uranus promises her death more likely then not in a few hours time.
The autopsy report suggested that little Riley died approximately 3-4 hrs. prior to the body being discovered at 3PM:
This chart is when the body of little Riley was found by hikers looking in the brush….they saw something in the water and it was her.
She was partially clad,…but definitely was brutally molested if not raped and the dear child had been also terrorized by being bound & duct taped of the mouth.
(not sure about the rape however), and from what I read, the little girl managed to free herself from the tape when she drowned. So she was fully conscious at this time. How incredibly awful for Riley.
Here we see Pluto in the 3rd, the Yod now with again, the outer planets, Neptune and then Mars & Saturn at the apex.
But this time differing houses. The 3rd is a focus and the police were interrogating for 14 hours the father of Riley insisting he was the one who killed this child.
Neptune & the Moon in the 4th probably speaks to this interrogation as well, as the body being found only 4 miles from home, in water (Neptune) and the Moon giving us the information in the house of “endings” the 4th.
The 5th house of children, (Riley), ruled by Saturn found at the MC now and the focus of this chart., the authorities are focused on her body and the crime scene.
With Uranus in the house of children – Riley is gone.
Jupiter in the 11th conjuncts fixed star “Zosma” and often speaks of a death and loss.
Sitting there in the 11th, as a testament to the incredible profound loss of this little girl
With Jupiter conj. Zosma – square to Venus, Sun, Mercury opposing Uranus and sextile to Saturn . (Quincunx the Moon in the house of endings) and Trines the NN.
Part of Fortune in this chart is very poignant, as it is conjunct to fixed star “Hyades”
In the Pleaides – and is square Uranus (symbolic of little Riley in the house of children)
Being now gone from this earth.
Leomoon80
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MULTI COMPOSITE OF FATHER KEVIN, RILEY & THE EVENT CHART:
Algol is part of the equation here but insofar as changing the “complexion” of the equation perhaps for the care-giving of a personality, in order to grow and mature
Through such a horrific event.
The father has natally, Uranus square Saturn, not exactly an aspect of responsibilites – and with Uranus at 11 Scorpio, (conjunct Crux, the burden to bear) or literally,
“A Cross” to bear
With natal Saturn at 15Leo, the so-called, “worse degree of the zodiac” other then this
We do not see in the natal then, anything except a willingness to serve the authorities, which indeed he did well, to his own detriment (a stellium in Capricorn)
These two natal positions however, of Saturn & Uranus, come back to haunt, especially reflected during the event, when Moira (a death asteroid) transits at 20deg.Taurus or “The Stare of Cetus,” the collective – visting his natal Jupiter at 21deg.Taurus, (I’m not posting his natal individually however, respecting the privacy of an exonerated man)
But his natal reveals a transit of Cetus that day, the mark of the collective conjunct "Moira".....bringing to bear energies involving others to impinge upon the consciousness of the entire event, including the Police Dept.
http://www.zyntara.com/VisualAstrologyNewsletters/van_April2008/VAN_April08.htm
This is the stranger / danger brought about in the unconscious collective , in this chart. The one who broke in, after (no doubt) watching the house, watching the return with two little children asleep when the father returned at midnight and laid the sleeping Riley and her brother
On couches to sleep, before retiring himself that night.
The stalker/pedophile watching all of this, (watching the lights go on and off in the house)
Watching as Kevin watched TV until 2AM ate, and then retired for the night,
He did his dastardly deed by cutting the screen and breaking in to take the sleeping Riley.
Predators among us, - how creepy is this.
These two “issues” in the father’s natal chart, are big ones for sure, but personal traits that needed to be exhumed in the manner of which Moira brought to bear (Crux?)
I’ll post the Multi-Composite Chart (being the father , the daughter Riley
And the Event itself) A composite being the “blending of energies” of the two natals are of course Sunrise charts and the 3rd Event chart , the time when Riley’s brother wakened and told Dad, “Riley is missing”
Leomoon80
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that this multi-composite of 1)Riley Sunrise, 2)Father Sunrise) and 3) Event of missing and 911 call has MC at 8Capricorn, conj. “Facies”…..a very critical degree
With other serious critical positions including Chiron (17AQ) Juno 1AQ. Lachesis (conj. Antares) Atropos (the Greek asteroid of Death) conj. “Algol” as is Moira.
Multi-composite Chart for the Event itself, as well as Riley's Sunrise
and the father's Sunrise chart
A composite blending of 3 charts energy for that fateful day:
All 3 Greek asteroids for fated death are in critical degrees for violence and death by a Violent act. As was the end result of Riley’s life.
The father who was the original POI until exonerated by DNA, and rewarded for his suffering in jail – is only involved in this chart as far as the end result for vibrations being changed for him. Meaning Pluto square Chiron (immense suffering over the loss of his little girl) NN opposing Neptune & Uranus, (by a stranger as the opposition is from without the energy field shown)
Jupiter square Sun and Saturn square Sun (changing forever the father internally) after being the accused who needed to be exonerated while mourning the missing child.
Ceres square Neptune and Saturn (as the NN also squared the same planets) suffering for him & Riley by the hands of a stranger who abducted the child and the alerting of same by the brother.
Ceres being the “nuturing part of us and of those we care for)
Mars quincunx the Sun (much suffering from the abduction itself) for Riley as well as the energy of this chart – and opposing the Moon
And in a poignant reminder of the entire episode , as the Nodes
are in the 4th/10th house Axis (the parental axis), with the South Node conjunct Uranus and Neptune. (the abduction) of this Composite Energy chart and actually the focus for all in one way or another.
The “complexion” of the family itself
Being changed forever and ever by this energy coalesced in time.
With other serious critical positions including Chiron (17AQ) Juno 1AQ. Lachesis (conj. Antares) Atropos (the Greek asteroid of Death) conj. “Algol” as is Moira.
Multi-composite Chart for the Event itself, as well as Riley's Sunrise
and the father's Sunrise chart
A composite blending of 3 charts energy for that fateful day:
All 3 Greek asteroids for fated death are in critical degrees for violence and death by a Violent act. As was the end result of Riley’s life.
The father who was the original POI until exonerated by DNA, and rewarded for his suffering in jail – is only involved in this chart as far as the end result for vibrations being changed for him. Meaning Pluto square Chiron (immense suffering over the loss of his little girl) NN opposing Neptune & Uranus, (by a stranger as the opposition is from without the energy field shown)
Jupiter square Sun and Saturn square Sun (changing forever the father internally) after being the accused who needed to be exonerated while mourning the missing child.
Ceres square Neptune and Saturn (as the NN also squared the same planets) suffering for him & Riley by the hands of a stranger who abducted the child and the alerting of same by the brother.
Ceres being the “nuturing part of us and of those we care for)
Mars quincunx the Sun (much suffering from the abduction itself) for Riley as well as the energy of this chart – and opposing the Moon
And in a poignant reminder of the entire episode , as the Nodes
are in the 4th/10th house Axis (the parental axis), with the South Node conjunct Uranus and Neptune. (the abduction) of this Composite Energy chart and actually the focus for all in one way or another.
The “complexion” of the family itself
Being changed forever and ever by this energy coalesced in time.
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Snipped from above; The killer is still unknown. Probably to strike again, other unfortunate little girls, as there was one only 90 miles away in Indiana with a remarkably similar M.O. (duct taped and bound)
Leomoon can you run a chart on the case you reference above to see if the same person is responsible?
Leomoon can you run a chart on the case you reference above to see if the same person is responsible?
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I'd be glad to IF I can find the reference again. It was on the same thread that spoke of this particular murder of Riley. Not sure where that is now.:waitasec:
May have even been on a link supplied on that thread.
I'll search and see what I can find.
OKay, found this:
Another case similar to this one occurred in Indiana 96 miles away:
(Read the entire story at the bottom where it says, "comment" in Blue:
A strikingly similar case in La Porte, Indiana was never examined by the Defendants. La Porte is only 96 miles from Wilmington. In the La Porte case the victim, an 8-year-old-girl, was taken from her home after the intruder entered through a cut window screen. Her mouth was taped shut and her pajama pants and underwear were removed. The suspect dropped her after being startled by a dog barking. In the Riley Fox case, her underwear was removed and her mouth was taped shut. The intruder entered from the garage and laundry room doors, which had broken locks, and exited through the front door. Significantly, that same night, the neighbor directly across the street from the Fox home had a screen cut.
http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2010/01/30/who-killed-riley-fox/
It sounds like whoever wrote this comment then, knew something about the case as it was much "after the facts" when the Fox family was suing the Police Dept. or the City
The "Defendant" being spoken of, is the one in this lawsuit apparently and not Mr. Fox himself, he would be the wronged party in that case.
I just did a quick google search, but cannot find reference to this particular case, as it was an attempted kidnapping that was interrupted by a barking dog., so he dropped the child is what they are saying here.
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Issues with JVM will probably have more on the discovery of two bodies in Oklahoma today, feared to be Lester Hobbs and Aja.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/PolicePresserforAja001.jpg
There is also a chart in this thread at #304 on the clubbing of Tonya Hobbs and another chart further on.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/Criminal%20Cases/PolicePresserforAja001.jpg
There is also a chart in this thread at #304 on the clubbing of Tonya Hobbs and another chart further on.
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Thought I should bring this forward from TUBA's post #342 of 2/26/10 around the time of a press conference.
The notes at that time show this little precious girl, AJA, is in trouble if not already deceased. The Arabian Parts.
Today's find of her little body, does give us a 'reason to weep'. HEARTBREAKING.
**HELL isn't bad enough for that MONSTER HOBBS.
The notes at that time show this little precious girl, AJA, is in trouble if not already deceased. The Arabian Parts.
Today's find of her little body, does give us a 'reason to weep'. HEARTBREAKING.
**HELL isn't bad enough for that MONSTER HOBBS.
Rest in Peace little girl, you're safe now and in good company.
Tuba - one of the articles that was posted today made mention of a sighting in OK - but apparently there was not enough info for LE to act on. I meant to double check the dates to see if it was when the stars thought Hobbs might be coming up for air.
My understanding right now is that Aja has not been where she was found for the entire time that she has been missing.
I'm tired now - so I will check and bring links tomorrow.
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I tried to find the natal charts for both of them, but could not find them posted on the forum. I also tried to find their places of birth, but found only that Lester Hobbs was said to have been born in Italy? (seems rather unlikely,) unless from a parent on perhaps a vacation there or the Army base?
But the person also said, he lived in Oklahoma or thereabouts.
I went with Oklahoma City for both Aja and Lester Hobbs, to get at least a start for an idea of what possibly was afflicting them in their natal.
IF anyone has a "better" place of birth for them, please let me know and I'll redo the charts.
Meanwhile, I've found a few things to present of interest.
Lester Hobbs:
Sun just entered Pisces 1Degree
Moon in rather cool Capricorn (emotions)
Venus the same, (Capricorn)
Mercury in standoffish (Aquarius) objective more then a subjective person
tends to objectify
Mars 9 Leo (critical) S Asellus - from Skyscript UK:
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/cancer_myth.html#asellus
The nature of Mars and the Sun:
Robson states that the Asses can show a charitable nature and caring responsibility, but with a danger of violent death, serious accidents and burns. Lilly noted a great danger of accidents, burns, violent death, afflicted eyesight and lawsuits when the Sun was directed to these stars
With too many critical degrees and negative (inharmonious vibrations) from fixed stars, I call this a "Pile-up"....as the opportunity for negative results grows larger then not.
Neptune 15Scorpio (deg.of murder) with Pluto at 11Virgo, another star connected with loss and violence via murder
Pluto opposition Sun & Jupiter
Quindecile aspect of obsession Uranus to Jupiter and Uranus is also quincunx 150 deg.to Mercury (the mind)
Sort of a loner type mentality who sees only life his way or else!
Nodes at 29th degree (Anaretic) so critical in Cancer/Cap.
The Chart attached for Hobbs is for the Progressed planets :
I call it "Lester Hobbs over the rails with Tertiary Progressed planets"
(see Mars over Uranus) for 1 "over the top" reaction to life and rejection
But the person also said, he lived in Oklahoma or thereabouts.
I went with Oklahoma City for both Aja and Lester Hobbs, to get at least a start for an idea of what possibly was afflicting them in their natal.
IF anyone has a "better" place of birth for them, please let me know and I'll redo the charts.
Meanwhile, I've found a few things to present of interest.
Lester Hobbs:
Sun just entered Pisces 1Degree
Moon in rather cool Capricorn (emotions)
Venus the same, (Capricorn)
Mercury in standoffish (Aquarius) objective more then a subjective person
tends to objectify
Mars 9 Leo (critical) S Asellus - from Skyscript UK:
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/cancer_myth.html#asellus
The nature of Mars and the Sun:
Robson states that the Asses can show a charitable nature and caring responsibility, but with a danger of violent death, serious accidents and burns. Lilly noted a great danger of accidents, burns, violent death, afflicted eyesight and lawsuits when the Sun was directed to these stars
With too many critical degrees and negative (inharmonious vibrations) from fixed stars, I call this a "Pile-up"....as the opportunity for negative results grows larger then not.
Neptune 15Scorpio (deg.of murder) with Pluto at 11Virgo, another star connected with loss and violence via murder
Pluto opposition Sun & Jupiter
Quindecile aspect of obsession Uranus to Jupiter and Uranus is also quincunx 150 deg.to Mercury (the mind)
Sort of a loner type mentality who sees only life his way or else!
Nodes at 29th degree (Anaretic) so critical in Cancer/Cap.
The Chart attached for Hobbs is for the Progressed planets :
I call it "Lester Hobbs over the rails with Tertiary Progressed planets"
(see Mars over Uranus) for 1 "over the top" reaction to life and rejection
Leomoon80
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For Aja, Venus in her natal did her no real favors in this lifetime, it appears rather to have done the opposite with the association made with one particular Fixed Star, i.e. "Bungula"
I see Bungula's conjunction with Venus for Aja, because of (not in spite of)
because of the close conj. to Mars with Venus and then the squares to the outer planets, becoming more a burden for her to bear as the benefit we all associate with Jupiter, (and Bungula is said to be akin to venus /Jupiter)
instead was very inharmonious for this young child then another's natal and assocation might be.
I see the inharmony is directly associated with Bungula to Venus and Mars (in her natal ) as both were square to Uranus and Jupiter.
Perhaps, the words of the ancient writers on this star's virbration can clarify for you how it worked in her natal chart:
Venus conjunct “Bungala” from Robson:
(left front hoof of the Centaur – akin to Venus/Jupiter)
With Venus: Popular, artistic and musical abilities, benefits from friends, danger from love affairs. [Robson*, p.149.]
She had Venus square to Uranus (which is conjunct Pallas) in Pisces, conj. “Scheat” misfortune in life.
We can surmise, the misfortune then is in connection with Uranus (unexpected out of the night event) and the “danger” of her Venus vibrations.
Background of this star, the 3rd brightest in the Heavens:
From Skyscipt, UK: (confirms the concept of looking at WHAT other planet this star may be connected with by aspect) in this case, Venus & Uranus:
It is generally said to have a beneficial influence, yet in addition to the expressing the themes of the constellation it is reputed to damage relationships. Ebertin and Hoffman write, that despite the Jupiter-Venus nature:
"there is the added peculiarity that relationship to female persons often seems spoiled, or an existing happy relationship is stricken by exceptional circumstances". [9]
They add that, well placed, Bungula "may help to gain a position of honour and power", but the conjunction of Neptune to this star in mundane maps "appears to be most disadvantageous … they always seem to tally up with disturbances, riots, periods of storm and stress or revolt against curtailment of freedom."
Bungula was also traditionally known by the Arabic terms Wazn, meaning 'weight', and Hadar, meaning 'ground'. This may be explained by the appearance of the star so close to the horizon,This again points to the suggestion that part of the 'life-purpose' embedded in this star is the need to curtail base emotions or gain mastery over unconscious instincts.
Symbolically, the foot is used to represent mobility, as well as foundations, lowliness or base influences. But several authors, including Jung, have agreed that lameness in Greek legends usually indicates some defect or essential blemish in the spirit; and that the foot, being linked to the heel, is indicative of vulnerability; where this brings unbearable pain or incurable injury, remarkable talents are given as compensation. [10] In this sense at least, Alvidas's definition of Bungula as like "Mars with the Moon and Uranus in Scorpio" makes sense. [11] This star may bring hurt, pain and even emotional rejection, but that is often the means by which the drive that brings out the extra-ordinary is discovered and developed.
I see Bungula's conjunction with Venus for Aja, because of (not in spite of)
because of the close conj. to Mars with Venus and then the squares to the outer planets, becoming more a burden for her to bear as the benefit we all associate with Jupiter, (and Bungula is said to be akin to venus /Jupiter)
instead was very inharmonious for this young child then another's natal and assocation might be.
I see the inharmony is directly associated with Bungula to Venus and Mars (in her natal ) as both were square to Uranus and Jupiter.
Perhaps, the words of the ancient writers on this star's virbration can clarify for you how it worked in her natal chart:
Venus conjunct “Bungala” from Robson:
(left front hoof of the Centaur – akin to Venus/Jupiter)
With Venus: Popular, artistic and musical abilities, benefits from friends, danger from love affairs. [Robson*, p.149.]
She had Venus square to Uranus (which is conjunct Pallas) in Pisces, conj. “Scheat” misfortune in life.
We can surmise, the misfortune then is in connection with Uranus (unexpected out of the night event) and the “danger” of her Venus vibrations.
Background of this star, the 3rd brightest in the Heavens:
From Skyscipt, UK: (confirms the concept of looking at WHAT other planet this star may be connected with by aspect) in this case, Venus & Uranus:
It is generally said to have a beneficial influence, yet in addition to the expressing the themes of the constellation it is reputed to damage relationships. Ebertin and Hoffman write, that despite the Jupiter-Venus nature:
"there is the added peculiarity that relationship to female persons often seems spoiled, or an existing happy relationship is stricken by exceptional circumstances". [9]
They add that, well placed, Bungula "may help to gain a position of honour and power", but the conjunction of Neptune to this star in mundane maps "appears to be most disadvantageous … they always seem to tally up with disturbances, riots, periods of storm and stress or revolt against curtailment of freedom."
Bungula was also traditionally known by the Arabic terms Wazn, meaning 'weight', and Hadar, meaning 'ground'. This may be explained by the appearance of the star so close to the horizon,This again points to the suggestion that part of the 'life-purpose' embedded in this star is the need to curtail base emotions or gain mastery over unconscious instincts.
Symbolically, the foot is used to represent mobility, as well as foundations, lowliness or base influences. But several authors, including Jung, have agreed that lameness in Greek legends usually indicates some defect or essential blemish in the spirit; and that the foot, being linked to the heel, is indicative of vulnerability; where this brings unbearable pain or incurable injury, remarkable talents are given as compensation. [10] In this sense at least, Alvidas's definition of Bungula as like "Mars with the Moon and Uranus in Scorpio" makes sense. [11] This star may bring hurt, pain and even emotional rejection, but that is often the means by which the drive that brings out the extra-ordinary is discovered and developed.
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Natal of Aja Johnson with/transits for her death:
Note: Lester Hobbs and Aja actually had many similar signs in their natal charts.
Sun in Capricorn
Moon in Aquarius
Mercury in Capricorn
Venus 28 Scorpio conjunct “Bungula” **
Mars 22 Scorpio (self undoing degree)
Jupiter 16 Leo (critical deg.) *** conj. "Dubhe", so very critical
NN 8GEM conj. “Aldebaren”
SN 8SAG conj. “Antares” (violence from past life)
**Venus & Mars within 6 deg. With Venus conj. “Bungula”
Note the writeups from the ancients about Bungula and as late
As Robson:
(3rd brightest star in the heavens)
Toliman or Bungula is the third largest star in the sky.
from Skyscript:
According to Ptolemy it is of the nature of Venus and Jupiter; and, to Alvidas, of Mars with the Moon and Uranus in Scorpio. Bungula gives beneficence, friends, refinement and a position of honor. [Robson*, p.148.]
I’m taking Alvidas as relating this star to Aja. The more negative side of Jupiter and Venus .
Her Venus is therefore, afflicted by this star rather then “enhanced” by Jupiter’s beneficial vibrations because her Venus is so close to her natal Mars and Mars is also
Seemingly for her, an affliction at 22Scorpio.
See what Vivien Robson suggests an affiliation with Uranus and Bungula (i.e. Venus)
May bring about in the native’s life: (Her parents, both the mother & father were trying to have the court give custody to the biological father to protect the child from her enemy,
In this case, Mr. Hobbs:
Her Venus & Mars, together were square to both Uranus & Jupiter, thus Jupiter is not a benefic for her as this star might otherwise have conveyed to another with a more fortuitious advantage in planetary alignments.
With Uranus: Selfish; self-seeking, jealous of others' success, dishonest, determined but indecisive in some things, loss through law, enemies and mercurial affairs, little prominence at home and greater reputation abroad, loss of friends, death through virulent disease. [Robson*, p.149.]
For instance, consider the suggestion of putting this star in the “vicinity” i.e. aspect to a planetary alignment with Neptune, here is suggested it “alters” the benefits of Jupiter's normally thought of as - benevolance:
It is generally said to have a beneficial influence, yet in addition to the expressing the themes of the constellation it is reputed to damage relationships. Ebertin and Hoffman write, that despite the Jupiter-Venus nature:
"there is the added peculiarity that relationship to female persons often seems spoiled, or an existing happy relationship is stricken by exceptional circumstances".
They add that, well placed, Bungula "may help to gain a position of honour and power", but the conjunction of Neptune to this star in mundane maps "appears to be most disadvantageous … they always seem to tally up with disturbances, riots, periods of storm and stress or revolt against curtailment of freedom."
Note: Lester Hobbs and Aja actually had many similar signs in their natal charts.
Sun in Capricorn
Moon in Aquarius
Mercury in Capricorn
Venus 28 Scorpio conjunct “Bungula” **
Mars 22 Scorpio (self undoing degree)
Jupiter 16 Leo (critical deg.) *** conj. "Dubhe", so very critical
NN 8GEM conj. “Aldebaren”
SN 8SAG conj. “Antares” (violence from past life)
**Venus & Mars within 6 deg. With Venus conj. “Bungula”
Note the writeups from the ancients about Bungula and as late
As Robson:
(3rd brightest star in the heavens)
Toliman or Bungula is the third largest star in the sky.
from Skyscript:
According to Ptolemy it is of the nature of Venus and Jupiter; and, to Alvidas, of Mars with the Moon and Uranus in Scorpio. Bungula gives beneficence, friends, refinement and a position of honor. [Robson*, p.148.]
I’m taking Alvidas as relating this star to Aja. The more negative side of Jupiter and Venus .
Her Venus is therefore, afflicted by this star rather then “enhanced” by Jupiter’s beneficial vibrations because her Venus is so close to her natal Mars and Mars is also
Seemingly for her, an affliction at 22Scorpio.
See what Vivien Robson suggests an affiliation with Uranus and Bungula (i.e. Venus)
May bring about in the native’s life: (Her parents, both the mother & father were trying to have the court give custody to the biological father to protect the child from her enemy,
In this case, Mr. Hobbs:
Her Venus & Mars, together were square to both Uranus & Jupiter, thus Jupiter is not a benefic for her as this star might otherwise have conveyed to another with a more fortuitious advantage in planetary alignments.
With Uranus: Selfish; self-seeking, jealous of others' success, dishonest, determined but indecisive in some things, loss through law, enemies and mercurial affairs, little prominence at home and greater reputation abroad, loss of friends, death through virulent disease. [Robson*, p.149.]
For instance, consider the suggestion of putting this star in the “vicinity” i.e. aspect to a planetary alignment with Neptune, here is suggested it “alters” the benefits of Jupiter's normally thought of as - benevolance:
It is generally said to have a beneficial influence, yet in addition to the expressing the themes of the constellation it is reputed to damage relationships. Ebertin and Hoffman write, that despite the Jupiter-Venus nature:
"there is the added peculiarity that relationship to female persons often seems spoiled, or an existing happy relationship is stricken by exceptional circumstances".
They add that, well placed, Bungula "may help to gain a position of honour and power", but the conjunction of Neptune to this star in mundane maps "appears to be most disadvantageous … they always seem to tally up with disturbances, riots, periods of storm and stress or revolt against curtailment of freedom."
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