Forensic Astrology - VICTORIA (Tori) STAFFORD - Canada

[Tuba]

Today it seems overdue to extract information from the Part of Debilitated Bodies. Grim part but possibly helpful because in two very distinct charts, this part is directing us to the same place. There is the chart for the F_____St. video and in that event, the part is 29:15 Virgo. Then in the chart for notification to Rodney Stafford that his daughter is missing, the part is 27:52 Virgo even though the time is hours later, we have a different ASC and a different wheel. The Moon plays a part in determining this part and by 6:30 p.m., the Moon has moved on to a new position too but the part rests at the end of Virgo. Powerful testimony that is trying to lead us to the remains.

Further, Mercury disposits that part because it rules Virgo and Mercury is making an extremely tight inconjunct to the Part of Debilitated Bodies. The inconjunct tells us that we are ignoring something, neglecting a possibility, inattentive to it. We know about the fields, they've been searched, we know about the waters but Mercury is in Aries. That would be an unfrequented area that provides a place of refuge for lawbreakers. It is feasible to sit down in this place. It is possible to use implements, instruments, hand operated machines here, like a drill. There are nooks. Some personal trifle belonging to the perpetrators is left behind.

 

[Virgogalsue]

Today it seems overdue to extract information from the Part of Debilitated Bodies. Grim part but possibly helpful because in two very distinct charts, this part is directing us to the same place. There is the chart for the F_____St. video and in that event, the part is 29:15 Virgo. Then in the chart for notification to Rodney Stafford that his daughter is missing, the part is 27:52 Virgo even though the time is hours later, we have a different ASC and a different wheel. The Moon plays a part in determining this part and by 6:30 p.m., the Moon has moved on to a new position too but the part rests at the end of Virgo. Powerful testimony that is trying to lead us to the remains.

Further, Mercury disposits that part because it rules Virgo and Mercury is making an extremely tight inconjunct to the Part of Debilitated Bodies. The inconjunct tells us that we are ignoring something, neglecting a possibility, inattentive to it. We know about the fields, they've been searched, we know about the waters but Mercury is in Aries. That would be an unfrequented area that provides a place of refuge for lawbreakers. It is feasible to sit down in this place. It is possible to use implements, instruments, hand operated machines here, like a drill. There are nooks. Some personal trifle belonging to the perpetrators is left behind.

What about the WK farm where the Banditos shootings took place??

 

[girlfriday]

Today it seems overdue to extract information from the Part of Debilitated Bodies. Grim part but possibly helpful because in two very distinct charts, this part is directing us to the same place. There is the chart for the F_____St. video and in that event, the part is 29:15 Virgo. Then in the chart for notification to Rodney Stafford that his daughter is missing, the part is 27:52 Virgo even though the time is hours later, we have a different ASC and a different wheel. The Moon plays a part in determining this part and by 6:30 p.m., the Moon has moved on to a new position too but the part rests at the end of Virgo. Powerful testimony that is trying to lead us to the remains.

Further, Mercury disposits that part because it rules Virgo and Mercury is making an extremely tight inconjunct to the Part of Debilitated Bodies. The inconjunct tells us that we are ignoring something, neglecting a possibility, inattentive to it. We know about the fields, they've been searched, we know about the waters but Mercury is in Aries. That would be an unfrequented area that provides a place of refuge for lawbreakers. It is feasible to sit down in this place. It is possible to use implements, instruments, hand operated machines here, like a drill. There are nooks. Some personal trifle belonging to the perpetrators is left behind.

In this press conference from May 22/09 at marker 4:24 - 4:40, Tara mentions that TLM or her mom had a storage unit. Are you able to do forensic astrology on that info? I don't know if the tip reported to LE after that conference was followed up on or if they knew about it or if they had checked it already.
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[Guelphite]

Today it seems overdue to extract information from the Part of Debilitated Bodies. Grim part but possibly helpful because in two very distinct charts, this part is directing us to the same place. There is the chart for the F_____St. video and in that event, the part is 29:15 Virgo. Then in the chart for notification to Rodney Stafford that his daughter is missing, the part is 27:52 Virgo even though the time is hours later, we have a different ASC and a different wheel. The Moon plays a part in determining this part and by 6:30 p.m., the Moon has moved on to a new position too but the part rests at the end of Virgo. Powerful testimony that is trying to lead us to the remains.

Further, Mercury disposits that part because it rules Virgo and Mercury is making an extremely tight inconjunct to the Part of Debilitated Bodies. The inconjunct tells us that we are ignoring something, neglecting a possibility, inattentive to it. We know about the fields, they've been searched, we know about the waters but Mercury is in Aries. That would be an unfrequented area that provides a place of refuge for lawbreakers. It is feasible to sit down in this place. It is possible to use implements, instruments, hand operated machines here, like a drill. There are nooks. Some personal trifle belonging to the perpetrators is left behind.

Tuba,

You have got me thinking with your excellent post aimed at helping find Tori.

Would this description be consistent with a gas station garage? Some of these (sorry to say and apologies to all the excellent gas stations/shops) do involve themselves with the alteration of vehicles unlawfully. And sometimes seedier types of characters hang around in the shops. We do know the male suspect liked to modify his vehicle and perhaps favoured a particular shop where he was so well-known he could easily leave stuff behind amidst the jumble of tools and not arouse suspicion.

Not sure if this would be Guelph area or Woodstock. But I'm thinking someone might know enough about the male accused's behaviour to know whether this is an avenue for LE to pursue.

 

[Maybe]

Paris & Maybe, may I make a clarification?

Maybe, a valid horary question is a question of great import to the Querent (one asking the question) asked at a certain date/place/time from which the Astrologer can ascertain the answer. (Some astrologers use the Querent's date/time/place of question; other astrologers use the date/time/location at which they read/heard and understood the question. Both protocols are valid.)

In cases such as these, where we are observers with no power to impact the situation, horary questions often are unreadable. Tuba posted a very clear explanation on horary's role in these types of cases but I don't remember where. Perhaps FifthEssence can find that post and insert the link here.

I hope I have provided some clarification.

Thanks,
Soulscape

I am aware of all that you say; perhaps I did not make myself clear to Paris with my reply.

I apologize for this confusion.

Maybe

 

[Tuba]

:doh:In the news long ago was a sought after criminal who was also a hermit. He was known as the Uni-Bomber and he organised and managed his life within the confines of a hut in the hills. If, one day, he took it upon himself to exit the hut, revealing his location incidentally, that would be an event. A big one.

When Michael Ts. Rafferty was at liberty, the leaving of his house at 9:30 at night could mean he was going to the corner to replenish his beer supply. If it had been ascertained that he was leaving his house instead to move the body of Victoria Stafford, that would represent an event. The problem in working astrologically with crimes is that they are full of unknowns. But when such a fact as this is known, Rafferty would be hip deep in police. No chart is needed.

The astrology of events is useful when we do know an event has occurred, like the bombing of the Holocaust Museum, but we need to know who, how, why, whence and hence. The events astrologers examine must be extraordinary, not routine. They must be of consequence. They must not be hypothetical. We look at happenings of intense interest and try to better understand them.

I hope this clears up the confusion to some extent. As to the horary limitations, see post #462 above.

 

[Tuba]

I am still concentrating on the Part of Decomposing Bodies, discussed above. I'm afraid I have to work on it strictly from the astrology because I just don't know the locale. I can picture it, even vividly, but that isn't good enough. There are just so many possibilities when you scan the terrain and I can only narrow it through the charts.

 

[Maybe]

I am still concentrating on the Part of Decomposing Bodies, discussed above. I'm afraid I have to work on it strictly from the astrology because I just don't know the locale. I can picture it, even vividly, but that isn't good enough. There are just so many possibilities when you scan the terrain and I can only narrow it through the charts.

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[Tabitha87]

de⋅bil⋅i⋅tate  /dɪˈbɪlɪˌteɪt/ Show Spelled [dih-bil-i-teyt] Show IPA
–verb (used with object), -tat⋅ed, -tat⋅ing.
to make weak or feeble; enfeeble: The siege of pneumonia debilitated her completely.

 

[Tuba]

Yes, it is one part. Not to offend sensibilities, the part is usually called the Part of Debilitated Bodies (plural). American Heritage Dictionary gives "worn out" for the past tense. Think of a battlefield scene and locating and collecting the dead. "Decomposing" is graphic and not for pre-prandial reading. It has been two and a half mos. now and the body has deteriorated severely.

 

[dianebs]

According to the Hamilton Spectator yesterday. The Crown Attorney has given Michael's lawyer 300 GB of evidence for him to go through. The lawyer is not seeking to have the charges to be reduced at this time and expects the preliminary trial won't be until the spring since there is so much evidence to go through.

 

[Tuba]

In the chart for the F_____St. video with Virgo ASC., the Part of Find is 4:33 Taurus trine Pluto of hiding and work done away from the eyes of others, night work. That is going to help those looking for her. The Part of Hunters is 10:34 Aries opposite the Moon of the event (video) and this assists the searchers also. It is squared by Victoria's Moon and Mercury, confirming the significance. This part is also right at the midpoint of Venus and the Sun on that fateful day, April 8. The Sun is Michael R. and Venus co-rules Victoria as a young girl. It also governs items that belonged to her and which may be found, like her pack.

The Mercury which forms an inconjunct to the Part of Debilitated Bodies is also sesquiquadrate (135° aspect) Saturn. This tells us that the digging, Saturn, did not go as planned and had to be begun again and again due to setbacks. Much of the trouble to the process was created by Mars in Pisces, which opposed Saturn. But we already know about the springs. Do you have mountain laurels or trees that look like the bay tree in Ontario?

 

[maxfactor]

I did some research and found that Bayberry trees grow in Ontario, but only in the Turkey Point area. Turkey Point is on Lake Erie and is a popular spot for Woodstock natives to visit. Many of them have cottages there.

 

[kaas]

Today it seems overdue to extract information from the Part of Debilitated Bodies. Grim part but possibly helpful because in two very distinct charts, this part is directing us to the same place. There is the chart for the F_____St. video and in that event, the part is 29:15 Virgo. Then in the chart for notification to Rodney Stafford that his daughter is missing, the part is 27:52 Virgo even though the time is hours later, we have a different ASC and a different wheel. The Moon plays a part in determining this part and by 6:30 p.m., the Moon has moved on to a new position too but the part rests at the end of Virgo. Powerful testimony that is trying to lead us to the remains.

Further, Mercury disposits that part because it rules Virgo and Mercury is making an extremely tight inconjunct to the Part of Debilitated Bodies. The inconjunct tells us that we are ignoring something, neglecting a possibility, inattentive to it. We know about the fields, they've been searched, we know about the waters but Mercury is in Aries. That would be an unfrequented area that provides a place of refuge for lawbreakers. It is feasible to sit down in this place. It is possible to use implements, instruments, hand operated machines here, like a drill. There are nooks. Some personal trifle belonging to the perpetrators is left behind.

If it is possible to use implements like a drill, does it mean that this place of refuge has electricity?

 

[Salem]

Tuba - it sounds like a garage - hand operated machines, place to sit down, NOOKS, and personal belongings.

Salem

 

[kaas]

There are a number of abandoned drive sheds around the area.

 

[Tuba]

It could be that this "last place of rest" was at a drive shed, yes. What I was thinking about was a natural setting and I considered electricity but thought it was not used, at least not from an outlet. It is secluded and private, this refuge for law breakers. A storage building or storehouse may form part of the picture. Roads are not far off, possibly a bridge.

 

[Cathie]

It could be that this "last place of rest" was at a drive shed, yes. What I was thinking about was a natural setting and I considered electricity but thought it was not used, at least not from an outlet. It is secluded and private, this refuge for law breakers. A storage building or storehouse may form part of the picture. Roads are not far off, possibly a bridge.

Tuba, this discribes areas between Guelph and the 401 - more specifically back roads from Guelph into Cambridge. It is a rural area with creeks, rivers, ponds, fields, hills, old buildings. I recently e-mailed the tip e-mail as I remember yelling at that car driving very fast in front of my home, unfortuately, cannot remember times or days.

Cambridge - Latitude: 43° 23' North Longitude: 80° 19' West.
Guelph is Latitude: 43° 33' North Longitude: 80° 15' West.
Woodstock is - Latitude 43° 7' 60 N Longitude: 80° 45' 0 W.
I remember a question regarding latitude. Not sure if this helps at all.

Amazing what you do. Thank you.

 

[Tuba]

Examining the charts for the F_______St. video and the notice to Rodney Stafford that his daughter was missing, Venus in both is at the solstice point of the Part of Debilitated Bodies at the tip end of Virgo. This tag end of the Sign suggests that she is near a boundary. That could represent either a property line or the boundary of a province. Mercury, on the other hand, is at the solstice point of the ASC for the moment the car took off from Woodstock, Mercury also being the planet governing transport. That puts Saturn at the midpoint of Take Off 0° Virgo and Debilitated Body 29° Virgo. We already know that as soon as Victoria rebelled at her plight, the screws were tightened, so to speak (we learned that from the Moon at the solstice point of violent Mars). Now we have to look at the ways Saturn can lead us to the concealment of the body and any digging involved as Saturn rules both those activities. We need to know what the traveling party purchased at that stop they made because Saturn is on a degree of commerce and was coming right up in the Take Off chart. Saturn is, of course, also fear and anxiety and any detection of fear in their victim also aggravated the cruelty.

Even if Michael R. and Terri-Lynne M. were gowed up on drugs, Saturn in Virgo insures they took great pains with the details of concealment. The Moon is the gloved grip on Saturn as fan handle to the array of remaining planets, giving concentrated power to the influence Saturn had on those planets, all of them. Planning, planning, planning, tick tick tick, check check check. The last Intrinsic Degree of a Sign expresses as "trying to fit", so again it is clear disposal and concealment was a difficult challenge. By the time of Tara's first press conference and of the arrival of the suspects at the courthouse (two distinct event horoscopes), the victim was appearing as Pluto, contained in some fashion.

 

[paris_paris]

We need to know what the traveling party purchased at that stop they made because Saturn is on a degree of commerce and was coming right up in the Take Off chart. Saturn is, of course, also fear and anxiety and any detection of fear in their victim also aggravated the cruelty.

There was a woman on FaceBook who's father works at the Home Depot in Guelph. She said that MR and TLM (together I believe), were captured on video at the checkout. They were purchasing a shovel.