GA - Jonah, 3, & Nicole Payne, 2, Warrenton, 23 April 2005

[Miss Daisey]

I have one of those stupid mistakes.....In December 1990, I had just given birth to my third child. I had a son who was 4, and a daughter 2, and the new baby girl. The new one was less than a week old, and I had to go get my husband from work. The baby was already in her carseat in the house, so I took the other two out to the car and put them in their carseats. Totally forgetting that I had a new baby! :doh: She was still in her carseat in the living room, I get into the car and start to leave. My four year old doesn't say a word. It's the two year old screaming, "The new baby is in the house!" Mom, you forgetted Incole! (Her name is Nicole, but they both said Incole) OMG, I almost died. I went back in, and she is sleeping soundly. I had to have him get a ride home with someone else, so I could have my nervous breakdown. After that, I counted heads everytime we moved even if it was from room to room!

You talk about feeling like a worthless parent! We laugh now, but it took me years to laugh about it.

And when #4 came along, I had three in diapers and I swear I never left the house without proper adult supervision for myself!!!!!

Tezi, we need another smillie to attach to our posts...like a GOLD medal for all our moms. I laughted like crazy reading your post !!!!

Our kids came in sets of two...The oldest were 16 and 14 when the youngest two showed up. It was a little embarassing since the neighbors and my sisters thought we were "well past that sorta' thing". I thought I'd never survive teens and toddlers simultainously. I've tucked away most of our crazy stories hoping I'll get a chance to tell them once THEIR kids start coming along. Me and Mr D are still shell shocked !!! But the kids turned out great even if WE are still cross-eyed !!
My 94 yr old Mother is coming for Mother's Day dinner. She's in great shape but she's nuts too after raising 4 daughters...as she says, "pretty close together".

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I watched part of it, but kept getting interupted. I must have missed this part. I love Nancy's facial expressions, especially when she is disbelieving or doubting something.....I wish I could make that face.

She's awesome. They teach those faces in law school by the way! LOL That way the jury can tell what you think about what the other side is saying without the attorney objecting to you!!! LOL Nancy's hinky meter seemed to be on high.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I may be one of a few, but if I were being investigated for anything, you can bet I'd have a lawyer. It is one of my constitutional rights and I'd exercise it. I am not saying that I would not cooperate with LE, because I would. But I'd have a lawyer looking out for me.

These parents may be looking to sue, and I'm not sure how I feel about that. That county surely did not do even a minimal amount of upkeep of that fence, and that retention pond is right by homes. That fence should have been in pristine condition. I think the county is culpable--they may not be the only guilty parties, but they sure share some of the culpability.

All very good points. And if this lawyer is looking to sue on behalf of the family, he might have approached them for all we know.

 

[tezi]

Tezi, we need another smillie to attach to our posts...like a GOLD medal for all our moms. I laughted like crazy reading your post !!!!

Our kids came in sets of two...The oldest were 16 and 14 when the youngest two showed up. It was a little embarassing since the neighbors and my sisters thought we were "well past that sorta' thing". I thought I'd never survive teens and toddlers simultainously. I've tucked away most of our crazy stories hoping I'll get a chance to tell them once THEIR kids start coming along. Me and Mr D are still shell shocked !!! But the kids turned out great even if WE are still cross-eyed !!
My 94 yr old Mother is coming for Mother's Day dinner. She's in great shape but she's nuts too after raising 4 daughters...as she says, "pretty close together".

I had all four in five years. But #2 and #4 were not planned. The just sort of showed up!!! #4 was planned for five years down the road after #3. Instead, he showed up 13 months, 4 days, 4 hours, and 10 minutes after his sister!

I can laugh about it now, but it took me forever to get over it....My oldest daughter now says maybe she shouldn't have said anything and Nicole would have had to leave!!! LOL She remembers telling me that I left her in the house. I guess I can say, I never left her on top of the car in her carseat!!! And after #4, I never left the house unless I had another adult with me for the first year! I remember when #4 was three months old, the whole family went to the flea market....LOL, my ex-boyfriend had no clue that I had four kids. And he walked up to me and said, "Is this circus yours?" Without even blinking, I replied, "Well, it certainly doesn't belong to you, now does it?" My husband almost died. He was trying not to laugh, but that was the last thing he expected to come out of my mouth. At that time, #3 had to be on a kiddie leash, because she would just bolt if you let go of her. She knew how to undo her seatbelt in the stroller, so I had to have a leash on her....LOL I imagine I looked like a smaller version of Ringling Brothers!

 

[Miss Daisey]

I had all four in five years. But #2 and #4 were not planned. The just sort of showed up!!! #4 was planned for five years down the road after #3. Instead, he showed up 13 months, 4 days, 4 hours, and 10 minutes after his sister!

I can laugh about it now, but it took me forever to get over it....My oldest daughter now says maybe she shouldn't have said anything and Nicole would have had to leave!!! LOL She remembers telling me that I left her in the house. I guess I can say, I never left her on top of the car in her carseat!!! And after #4, I never left the house unless I had another adult with me for the first year! I remember when #4 was three months old, the whole family went to the flea market....LOL, my ex-boyfriend had no clue that I had four kids. And he walked up to me and said, "Is this circus yours?" Without even blinking, I replied, "Well, it certainly doesn't belong to you, now does it?" My husband almost died. He was trying not to laugh, but that was the last thing he expected to come out of my mouth. At that time, #3 had to be on a kiddie leash, because she would just bolt if you let go of her. She knew how to undo her seatbelt in the stroller, so I had to have a leash on her....LOL I imagine I looked like a smaller version of Ringling Brothers!

THAT'S HIL-ARI-OUS !!!! (is the one or two L's in that word) LOL
You're wonderful. Hope the family puts up a flag for you this Mother's Day !!!
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[StillTrouble74]

Well, I am mom to a 15 yr old, 13 yr old and 8 yr old and new honorary mom to a 5 yr old and 5 month old

and I have to say. when my kids were very young, and i was frazzled, I did strange things, but i was one of those paranoid cautious moms. i always had to have at least one hand on any kid under 5 if we were out of the house. which got increasingly difficult when they were mobile.

However, I wanted to point out that now that I have moved into the new title of "Mother of teenagers" I have considered leaving them at the bank/store/school. not forever, but for a few hours :razz:

sleepless night and toddlers was easy compared to this.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

Two neighbors told 11Alive news they saw the children walking alone several times before. Some legal experts say that could be enough to charge the parents under Georgia’s new child endangerment law.

“If news accounts are correct and that is DFACS has investigated a number of occasions…[And] there have been neighbor concerns about [children] being abandoned and then we have what occurred that day earlier, plus we have what resulted in their death, then clearly it merits prosecution,” said Don Keenan, a longtime attorney and an advocate for children’s rights.

The child endangerment law has only been on the books for a year. Georgia was the last state to pass such a measure.

http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=62313

 

[Miss Daisey]

Well, I am mom to a 15 yr old, 13 yr old and 8 yr old and new honorary mom to a 5 yr old and 5 month old

and I have to say. when my kids were very young, and i was frazzled, I did strange things, but i was one of those paranoid cautious moms. i always had to have at least one hand on any kid under 5 if we were out of the house. which got increasingly difficult when they were mobile.

However, I wanted to point out that now that I have moved into the new title of "Mother of teenagers" I have considered leaving them at the bank/store/school. not forever, but for a few hours :razz:

sleepless night and toddlers was easy compared to this.

Boy, I hear ya', ST74. Those teens take your WHOLE BRAIN, don't they? I don't think....at least, I don't remember....being like that. Do you???:angel:

 

[tezi]

THAT'S HIL-ARI-OUS !!!! (is the one or two L's in that word) LOL
You're wonderful. Hope the family puts up a flag for you this Mother's Day !!!
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Thanks Miss Daisey! I can't spell today at all!

I think you are pretty wonderful yourself!

 

[txsvicki]

Okay, this case is very clear and simple. The parents were not good parents at all, for whatever reason or child services would not be visiting for the past two years. The children had been getting out, had been getting out that VERY day yet the mother still allowed them to escape. Everyone knows that if you are REALLY watching kids, they won't get too far in a few seconds. No more excuses are acceptable to me. The house was probably unsafe and filthy and money probably spent with no thought to what to buy. Now the mother is saying that neighbors were holding her children that day. Excuses excuses. Neighbors fault, little girls fault, blah blah. If the parents are smart enough to try and blame others, then they are smart enough to be held accountable. About that fence around the waste pond, if child services didn't have to visit these people weekly for years, then maybe the county would have more money. I hope that they are not allowed to sue because even though the fence should have been secure, the parents are at fault, and if they were angry and defiant with authorities and neighbors and let that affect their childrens' safety out of spite, then they should be thrown under the jail.

 

[luthersmama]

Weekly visits? That means that they were under intensive supervision. I don't think that she knew the difference between five minutes or five hours. And it's sad, because those two kids paid the price.

I had a sudden thought at lunch today - what if the mom is a methamphetamine user? She may have been in the bathroom to prepare and snort a line of meth. One of the things that meth does is completely alter your sense of the passage of time. If she was constantly under the influence of meth, she literally could not tell the difference between 5 seconds, 5 minutes or a couple of hours. Originally I was thinking about cocaine, but it is much more expensive and less available in that type of area. Betcha' there are plenty of meth labs, though.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

However, I wanted to point out that now that I have moved into the new title of "Mother of teenagers" I have considered leaving them at the bank/store/school. not forever, but for a few hours :razz:

sleepless night and toddlers was easy compared to this.

I am with you 100% on that one!!! I don't know how much more I can stand of having a teenaged daughter!!! :bang:

She's driving me absolutely crazy!!! :crazy:

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=62313

Great link. Here's another tidbit:

... Warren County coroner Paul Lowe told reporters that he had suspicions about the deaths, but had no evidence to support those suspicions...

 

[luthersmama]

I am with you 100% on that one!!! I don't know how much more I can stand of having a teenaged daughter!!! :bang:

She's driving me absolutely crazy!!! :crazy:

My oldest is about to turn 19 and has recovered from teenagerhood.

The younger one is about to turn 16 and is showing signs of improvement, but we still have a way to go.

It is brutal!

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I had a sudden thought at lunch today - what if the mom is a methamphetamine user?

She didn't strike me as a drug user but you never can tell.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

My oldest is about to turn 19 and has recovered from teenagerhood.

The younger one is about to turn 16 and is showing signs of improvement, but we still have a way to go.

It is brutal!

Mine turned 16 a while ago, and each day seems to get worse & worse. I have new sympathy for my parents.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

New to this site and wanted to ask you a question. I too looked up Kain in the Public Access Records and found Roberta Kain listed as receiving a ticket in Apache Junction. However, did you look at the date of birth? She is 54 years old and has two children ages 2 and 3? Now that sounds hinky for sure. Are we sure these kids were not adopted or something, I mean having babies after 50 is not unheard of, however, it is quite a feat.

JMOO:waitasec:

Who is Roberta Kain? Is that Lotte?

Oh, and BTW ... welcome!

 

[StillTrouble74]

Boy, I hear ya', ST74. Those teens take your WHOLE BRAIN, don't they? I don't think....at least, I don't remember....being like that. Do you???:angel:

I dont remember being like they are, however, I do know that I was convinced I knew it all, so perhaps I was worse then I realized.
I have to agree with Jersey Girl. I have to apologize to my mother from time to time
when i had kids people warned me about midnight feedings, diapers and such
that was a piece of cake compared to now



but no matter how I look at this case here, this mother did more then have an accident
this is at BEST gross negligence

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

but no matter how I look at this case here, this mother did more then have an accident
this is at BEST gross negligence

I believe that one way or another, we might see this Mom prosecuted. The only way I think that we might not is if:

1) Someone else is found to have murdered these beautiful kids, (and that won't necessarily get the Mom off the hook),

or

2) She is found to be (or known to be) mentally incompetent. If that is the case, there will probably be quite an uproar about why these kids were ever left in her care in the first place, parenting skills classes or not.

I have a strong feeling that someone somewhere will be brought to court ... maybe several someones.

 

[Annie]

In reading all these posts, the thought just hit me that it is a good thing I raised my children before I got a computer. I had four in six years and was a good mother, but I am afraid that as hooked as I have been reading on my computer, I might have been negligent and no telling where they would have wound up. Sometimes I mean to get on only a few minutes and before I know it an hour has gone by.