GA - Katherine Janness, 40, fatally stabbed and dog killed, Piedmont Park, Atlanta, 28 Jul 2021 #4

[Swamp Fox Trot]

Stab wounds can reveal the cross section of the knife blade, so they might be able to distinguish a chef's knife from, say, a military Ka-Bar. One of the forensic podcasts suggested perhaps a butcher's knife.

 

[PrairieWind]

Stab wounds can reveal the cross section of the knife blade, so they might be able to distinguish a chef's knife from, say, a military Ka-Bar. One of the forensic podcasts suggested perhaps a butcher's knife.

I think Joseph Scott Morgan threw out the butcher knife term in his pod case, but I can't remember if he was being specific or just using it as a term for "big knife." I have been meaning to listen to it again for some other

 

[dotr]

Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: Murder in Piedmont Park – Crime Online
Re post Nov 20 2021
''Katherine “Katie” Janness takes her dog, Bowie, for a late-night walk in Midtown Atlanta on July 28, off of 10th Street and Charles Allen Drive. Janness stops at a local bar to say hello to her girlfriend, Emma Clark, who’s working at the time. When Clark gets off work at around 1 a.m. and goes home, she can’t find Janness, who should have been there.''

Katherine Janness with girlfriend, Emma/Facebook
After unanswered phone calls and texts, Emma Clark uses the ‘find my iPhone’ app, which leads her to a horrifying discovery. Just inside Atlanta’s popular Piedmont Park, 40-year-old Katherine Janness has been brutally attacked, stabbed more than 50 times, and her body horrifically mutilated.

Discretion advised: Details in this report may be disturbing''
Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: Murder in Piedmont Park on Apple Podcasts

GRAPHIC.
618ee5553b461.pdf.pdf (townnews.com)
''Leaves and organic detritus are on the body, within the depths of sharp force injuries, and in the disaster bag. The following items are present: 1. A short-sleeved black T-shirt with a multicolored design is pulled at the lower chest. Defects in the shirt correspond to wounds on the body 2. Blue denim jeans with a black belt in the loops and blue underwear with a red and white heart pattern are at the level of the knees. One $5 bill is in the watch pocket of the jeans. 3. A blue-black plastic wireless earbud is adjacent to the right ear. 4. Two black hairbands are in the hair. 5. A multicolored sock and a silver and white athletic shoe are on each foot''

 

[Trebor5591]

I think Joseph Scott Morgan threw out the butcher knife term in his pod case, but I can't remember if he was being specific or just using it as a term for "big knife." I have been meaning to listen to it again for some other

The problem with a chef knife or cooking knife is, sure the blades are large, but the handles are always smooth since they are designed to be used on meat which is already ready for cutting--from the supermarket. If they are used against a person who is moving, and bleeding, the handle would get very slippery and the person wielding the knife might well end up cutting their own hand.

This sort of crime, with all of the stab wounds, would almost surely be a hunting-style folding knife, with a good knife guard, and a slip-resistant, rubber handle. I say probably a folding knife since the deepest wound was 3.75 inches, which is too shallow for a fixed blade "fighting knife" used by military and/or survivalists.

 

[TL4S]

The problem with a chef knife or cooking knife is, sure the blades are large, but the handles are always smooth since they are designed to be used on meat which is already ready for cutting--from the supermarket. If they are used against a person who is moving, and bleeding, the handle would get very slippery and the person wielding the knife might well end up cutting their own hand.

This sort of crime, with all of the stab wounds, would almost surely be a hunting-style folding knife, with a good knife guard, and a slip-resistant, rubber handle. I say probably a folding knife since the deepest wound was 3.75 inches, which is too shallow for a fixed blade "fighting knife" used by military and/or survivalists.

Also, I'm forgetting where I saw this, but it was either the autopsy report or one of the various "expert" interviews. Anyway, it suggested a double-edged blade, which makes sense. What kind of knife would have that? Makes me think of a switchblade.

 

[PrairieWind]

Also, I'm forgetting where I saw this, but it was either the autopsy report or one of the various "expert" interviews. Anyway, it suggested a double-edged blade, which makes sense. What kind of knife would have that? Makes me think of a switchblade.

Whether it was single or double edged should be evident from the autopsy. I don't recall. I am going to try to listen to the podcast again tonight and see if its mentioned. Double edged knives are not common and would not be a hunting type knife. I remember thinking after i heard the podcast the first time and the description of the wounds, depth etc, thinking that it could very well be two different weaponse. One a hunting knife and the other more like a box cutter.

 

[fred&edna]

Whether it was single or double edged should be evident from the autopsy. I don't recall. I am going to try to listen to the podcast again tonight and see if its mentioned. Double edged knives are not common and would not be a hunting type knife. I remember thinking after i heard the podcast the first time and the description of the wounds, depth etc, thinking that it could very well be two different weaponse. One a hunting knife and the other more like a box cutter.

BBM Similar for me. Actually, it was the autopsy report that made me think it was more than one weapon, thus more than one attacker. I guess one person could be equipped with two weapons but that seems unlikely.... unless maybe a chef with personal set of knives. jmo

 

[TL4S]

Whether it was single or double edged should be evident from the autopsy. I don't recall. I am going to try to listen to the podcast again tonight and see if its mentioned. Double edged knives are not common and would not be a hunting type knife. I remember thinking after i heard the podcast the first time and the description of the wounds, depth etc, thinking that it could very well be two different weaponse. One a hunting knife and the other more like a box cutter.

I just re-read the autopsy and did not see it indicated about the type of sharp instrument used. Guess that wasn't the source.

 

[PrairieWind]

BBM Similar for me. Actually, it was the autopsy report that made me think it was more than one weapon, thus more than one attacker. I guess one person could be equipped with two weapons but that seems unlikely.... unless maybe a chef with personal set of knives. jmo

I had sort of the same thought process. Initially I thought, an attacker just using two weapons. Then I thought about that more and decided that it would be unlikely for a killer to consciously change weapons mid attack. So that was sort of the first time I really considered that it could be two assailants. I still think it is likely it is only one person, but I'm not sold on it. If one killer did change weapons, then this was clearly a thought out and planned attack with a killer, though perhaps insane, that was calm and thinking through out and not just an enraged savage attack.

 

[TL4S]

I had sort of the same thought process. Initially I thought, an attacker just using two weapons. Then I thought about that more and decided that it would be unlikely for a killer to consciously change weapons mid attack. So that was sort of the first time I really considered that it could be two assailants. I still think it is likely it is only one person, but I'm not sold on it. If one killer did change weapons, then this was clearly a thought out and planned attack with a killer, though perhaps insane, that was calm and thinking through out and not just an enraged savage attack.

I kind of doubt there was rage. I think he was obsessively precise and getting off on the cutting, regardless of who was on the receiving end. Jmo.

 

[fred&edna]

While glancing at the autopsy again, Item #3 under Blunt Force Injuries have me a bit puzzled. I keep wondering the origin of these areas of blood and if they were similar in size? Would the position of the body (i.e. leaning forward) cause these areas of blood or ?? It's likely an unimportant detail in the scheme of things.

3. Upon initial examination of the body, two areas of blood are noted on the medial surface of each thigh. There are no underlying injuries in this area when the blood is removed.

 

[TL4S]

While glancing at the autopsy again, Item #3 under Blunt Force Injuries have me a bit puzzled. I keep wondering the origin of these areas of blood and if they were similar in size? Would the position of the body (i.e. leaning forward) cause these areas of blood or ?? It's likely an unimportant detail in the scheme of things.

3. Upon initial examination of the body, two areas of blood are noted on the medial surface of each thigh. There are no underlying injuries in this area when the blood is removed.

Could it be from the killer sitting on her thighs, staddling her? Or maybe forceful dragging her pants down?

Also, I found a JSM source for "multiple edge instrument," although I don't think this was the one I saw earlier.

This killer took extra time to write on this live victim. Pull her pants down. Stab her more than 50 times. They had some skill with instrumentation,” Morgan said. “Was this killer using a medical tool or multiple edge weapons”?

‘She Was Still Alive’: Forensics Expert Says Disturbed Piedmont Park Killer Tortured Victim Alive Before Killing Her

 

[TL4S]

I've never before been able to picture what weapon the killer was using, but double-sided or not, a switchblade seems very possible. Long enough for the deep cuts, nimble enough for the shallow, easier to transport, and sharp as h*ll. And anyone carrying a switch is likely to know how to use it. Jmo... for today.

 

[Quell]

This may have already been asked but in kitchens and abattoirs--places that process game--are gloves warn to increase traction / create a more secure the grip with the knife? If so I wonder if the assailant wore such.

 

[TL4S]

This may have already been asked but in kitchens and abattoirs--places that process game--are gloves warn to increase traction / create a more secure the grip with the knife? If so I wonder if the assailant wore such.

There are actually special gloves made specifically to avoid getting cut.

Ansell HyFlex® 74-048 Cut Resistant Glove - Medium Weight, Large S-19248L - Uline

 

[mickey2942]

This may have already been asked but in kitchens and abattoirs--places that process game--are gloves warn to increase traction / create a more secure the grip with the knife? If so I wonder if the assailant wore such.

No, because professional knives have a cross hatch grip. Gloves would actually slow a professional down. The only time folks wear gloves in a professional kitchen is for shucking oysters. It is a metal mesh glove that the knife won't cut if it slips.

Or gloves for sanitary purposes.

 

[dotr]

At the moment, some sort of sword attack comes to mind, imo, speculation.
Short Sword Fighting Techniques (sportsrec.com)

 

[fred&edna]

Discretion advised: Details in this report may be disturbing''
Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: Murder in Piedmont Park on Apple Podcasts

GRAPHIC.
618ee5553b461.pdf.pdf (townnews.com)
''Leaves and organic detritus are on the body, within the depths of sharp force injuries, and in the disaster bag. The following items are present: 1. A short-sleeved black T-shirt with a multicolored design is pulled at the lower chest. Defects in the shirt correspond to wounds on the body 2. Blue denim jeans with a black belt in the loops and blue underwear with a red and white heart pattern are at the level of the knees. One $5 bill is in the watch pocket of the jeans. 3. A blue-black plastic wireless earbud is adjacent to the right ear. 4. Two black hairbands are in the hair. 5. A multicolored sock and a silver and white athletic shoe are on each foot''

RSBM

The first line of this suggests that she was attacked/killed in the park (leaves and organic detritus found within the depths of sharp force injuries). Not killed elsewhere and brought to the scene as others have possibly suggested.

jmo

 

[TL4S]

At the moment, some sort of sword attack comes to mind, imo, speculation.
Short Sword Fighting Techniques (sportsrec.com)

That thought crossed my mind as a way to explain how Bowie was killed without the killer getting bit...

 

[Periwinkl3]

I come back to the intensity of the attack. Seems like the work of someone with military experience or martial arts training, and not necessarily a male.