GA - Kendrick Johnson, 17, Suspicious Death, Jan. 10/11, 2013, #2

[dlc]

They have worked as hired forensic pathologists with Crump in other cases?

??

You said:


"I have no information to accuse anyone of wrong doing, but I do pause when I see opinions from professionals that (sic) are hired by attorneys in cases. They have a financial incentive and they want repeat business. Dr. Anderson has been used by these attorneys in the past."

BBM

I responded that Dr. Sperry had also done the same thing.

 

[dlc]

The situations are not remotely similar. Dr. Sperry still has a job and employed with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation with no ethical complaints. Sadly, Dr. Anderson was let go twice from his employers with ethical complaints. He is now in "private practice". The great Dr. Perper retired from his ME position in Miami and is now doing a few private consults.

BBM

Actually, there's quite a bit of similarity, but it's become quite clear that discussion would not be fruitful.

I would like to know, however, to whom you are referring in the bolded phrase?

Thank you.

 

[Sherp]

BBM

Actually, there's quite a bit of similarity, but it's become quite clear that discussion would not be fruitful.

I would like to know, however, to whom you are referring in the bolded phrase?

Thank you.

Dr. Joshua Perper. He was the Chief Medical Officer of Broward County, Florida from 1994 to 2011.

 

[iSleuth]

I just took 61 minutes of my time to hear the Blog Talk radio show referenced a few posts upthread. MOO: This was a very one-sided "report" & filled with misinformation. The discussion centered on insinuations & accusations of racism.

I am interested in what others heard.

Yes, the interview does present the Point of View that KJ's death is suspicious. I am curious which are the accusations of racism as you see them?

 

[Tawny]

The simple fact that the lawyers had the audacity to compare this to Emmitt Till is one example.

 

[iSleuth]

The simple fact that the lawyers had the audacity to compare this to Emmitt Till is one example.

The question was about the Rosen / Webster interview. but despite the attempt at derailing - Why does the comparison KJ to ET bother everyone so much. ?




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[Tawny]

The question was about the Rosen / Webster interview. but despite the attempt at derailing - Why does the comparison KJ to ET bother everyone so much. ?




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Is that directed at my post about ET?? I wasn't attempting to derail anything.

It bothers people because it's not comparable. Emmitt Till was the victim of a brutal beating and murder at the hands of racist individuals in a time of civil unrest. To compare that murder to a situation in which NO racial connotations are present is to minimize what Emmitt Till (and others) went through.

 

[hambirg]

The question was about the Rosen / Webster interview. but despite the attempt at derailing - Why does the comparison KJ to ET bother everyone so much. ?

BBM

Do you think it's a legitimate comparison?

 

[iSleuth]

BBM

Do you think it's a legitimate comparison?

Yep


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[IzzyBlanche]

I have a question. Who made the comparison to Emmett Till and what was the comparison exactly, does anyone remember?

What I mean by that is, all I recall reading about it was that the post-mortem picture of KJ bore a physical resemblance to the post-mortem pictures of ET.

Was this comparison elaborated on beyond the physical similarities to suggest that the two met their deaths under similar circumstances? In other words, B looks like A therefore B must have died in the same manner as A?

Thanks, everyone.

 

[Tawny]

I don't see how this situation, even IF it's a murder, shows any signs of having been a racially motivated hate crime.

 

[Karmady]

You'll have to read the rest of the article yourself. I started looking for additional quotes but it p*ssed me off too much. lol. Yeah, like Emmett Till. Just like that. pfffft.

~snippedbyme

The case of Johnson is equally hard to stomach and, according to Crump, bears an eerie resemblance to the 1955 murder of Emmett Till.
http://www.theroot.com/articles/cul...th_and_allegations_of_police_brutality.1.html

jmo

 

[hambirg]

I have a question. Who made the comparison to Emmett Till and what was the comparison exactly, does anyone remember?

What I mean by that is, all I recall reading about it was that the post-mortem picture of KJ bore a physical resemblance to the post-mortem pictures of ET.

Was this comparison elaborated on beyond the physical similarities to suggest that the two met their deaths under similar circumstances? In other words, B looks like A therefore B must have died in the same manner as A?

Thanks, everyone.

Yes, that's it in a nutshell.

 

[Karmady]

I have a question. Who made the comparison to Emmett Till and what was the comparison exactly, does anyone remember?

What I mean by that is, all I recall reading about it was that the post-mortem picture of KJ bore a physical resemblance to the post-mortem pictures of ET.

Was this comparison elaborated on beyond the physical similarities to suggest that the two met their deaths under similar circumstances? In other words, B looks like A therefore B must have died in the same manner as A?

Thanks, everyone.

No offense intended, Izzy, but I don't get this question. Emmett Till was the victim of racism almost SIXTY years ago. Before the civil rights act and everything that stemmed from it. Why would anyone, ever, for any reason, compare the death of someone that long ago to a death today. Plenty of people have died of both head trauma and positional asphyxiation since then. Why not ask why their pictures aren't being shown instead of Emmett Till's. The answer is absurdly obvious. Can anyone seriously not see that?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

No offense intended, Izzy, but I don't get this question. Emmett Till was the victim of racism almost SIXTY years ago. Before the civil rights act and everything that stemmed from it. Why would anyone, ever, for any reason, compare the death of someone that long ago to a death today. Plenty of people have died of both head trauma and positional asphyxiation since then. Why not ask why their pictures aren't being shown instead of Emmett Till's. The answer is absurdly obvious. Can anyone seriously not see that?

No offense taken. I think I may overthink things too much and split hairs too much.

I hope I can explain my thinking clearly.

At the root of my question and why I was trying to understand the origins of the ET comparison, it seems to me that there are two possibilities for it:

1. Someone noted the physical resemblance without making any further connections, but the comparison spread and morphed rapidly to become that the family/the family's lawyers were making that connection when they may not have been.

or

2. The family/the family's lawyers were in fact making the connection, with the obvious racist overtones, from the get-go.

If #2 is the case, then I agree with you 100%. I think I've been pretty straightforward in stating that the official version of Kendrick's death doesn't make logical sense to me, yet I'm not willing to declare it intentional murder either.

Either way, I've seen no evidence to suggest that even if intentional somehow, KJ's death was racially motivated, so IMO raising the racism flag does nothing but damage.

So that's why I wondered about the origin of the comparison. Was it a simple observation of physical resemblance that someone picked up the ball and ran with? (We've all seen how such things happen in the media.)

Or was it promulgated by interests on the family's side?

Or was it promulgated by interests opposed to the family's side trying to paint them as trying to insert race into a case where race wasn't an issue?

See, I told you I tend to overthink. :floorlaugh:

 

[IzzyBlanche]

No offense intended, Izzy, but I don't get this question. Emmett Till was the victim of racism almost SIXTY years ago. Before the civil rights act and everything that stemmed from it. Why would anyone, ever, for any reason, compare the death of someone that long ago to a death today. Plenty of people have died of both head trauma and positional asphyxiation since then. Why not ask why their pictures aren't being shown instead of Emmett Till's. The answer is absurdly obvious. Can anyone seriously not see that?

No offense taken. I think I may overthink things too much and split hairs too much.

I hope I can explain my thinking clearly.

At the root of my question and why I was trying to understand the origins of the ET comparison, it seems to me that there are two possibilities for it:

1. Someone noted the physical resemblance without making any further connections, but the comparison spread and morphed rapidly to become that the family/the family's lawyers were making that connection when they may not have been.

or

2. The family/the family's lawyers were in fact making the connection, with the obvious racist overtones, from the get-go.

If #2 is the case, then I agree with you 100%. I think I've been pretty straightforward in stating that the official version of Kendrick's death doesn't make logical sense to me, yet I'm not willing to declare it intentional murder either.

ETA: And using the ET case for comparison is wrong on so many levels. NO comparison.

Either way, I've seen no evidence to suggest that even if intentional somehow, KJ's death was racially motivated, so IMO raising the racism flag does nothing but damage.

So that's why I wondered about the origin of the comparison. Was it a simple observation of physical resemblance that someone picked up the ball and ran with? (We've all seen how such things happen in the media.)

Or was it promulgated by interests on the family's side?

Or was it promulgated by interests opposed to the family's side trying to paint them as trying to insert race into a case where race wasn't an issue?

See, I told you I tend to overthink. :floorlaugh:

 

[Sherp]

You'll have to read the rest of the article yourself. I started looking for additional quotes but it p*ssed me off too much. lol. Yeah, like Emmett Till. Just like that. pfffft.

~snippedbyme

The case of Johnson is equally hard to stomach and, according to Crump, bears an eerie resemblance to the 1955 murder of Emmett Till.
http://www.theroot.com/articles/cul...th_and_allegations_of_police_brutality.1.html

jmo

Crump needs some new lines. He said the same thing about Trayvon Martin. So sad to see poor Till's murder diminished by these inappropriate comparisons.

 

[iSleuth]

I think, The way that this case -->may <---be like ET is not in the manner of death but in the nature of the coverup. And the fact that if charges are brought against state and local agencies it would be unprecedented ( or rare or high time) scale.
Also ET was a symbol of Jim Crow injustice which was alive and well and MLK jr used to show everyone the result. ( the aim of civil disobedience was deserving media attention)
So perhaps kj's cause is more symbolic than some are willing to believe.
Maybe just maybe there is not justice for all in Valdosta Ga and a whole lot of other places - Maybe just it's time to see that.


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[iSleuth]

I have a question. Who made the comparison to Emmett Till and what was the comparison exactly, does anyone remember?

What I mean by that is, all I recall reading about it was that the post-mortem picture of KJ bore a physical resemblance to the post-mortem pictures of ET.

Was this comparison elaborated on beyond the physical similarities to suggest that the two met their deaths under similar circumstances? In other words, B looks like A therefore B must have died in the same manner as A?

Thanks, everyone.

Hi Hi Actually it wasn't a comparison at all. Someone mentioned that the @Webster/ Rosen interview has only one sided racially charged statements" I asked for an example of part of the case and - ET was thrown out not as example of the case-- as in the audacity of the lawyers -statements - who weren't even in that interview anyway .


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[Tawny]

Yeahhhhhhh when I see signs that this is in any way a racially motivated hate crime, then MAYBE I'll consider it. But there are NO signs of that at all.

Then again, I don't even see a CRIME in this situation, so maybe we should start with that first.